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It's always nice to see someone wake up and see evil for what it actually is, pity about it being almost too late to do anything about it.
Wow. Thank you, Rabbi Fischer.A Time to Hate - The American Spectator | USA News and PoliticsThe American Spectator | USA News and Politics
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Yes.
I'm going to send that to every leftist I know and listen for their heads to explode... making popcorn now.
I'm going to send that to every leftist I know and listen for their heads to explode... making popcorn now.
Some people (mostly left so called liberal types) really are educated beyond their intelligence.
The fact is liberals aren't, do to the mental issues they have with logical thinking. They like/take the easy way out every time. What I find interesting is they have never done anything for this country yet they think they know whats best for it, when in reality they can not even control their own lives,...
Eh, I’m not saying he’s exactly wrong but the author sounds like he thinks things would be better if he had absolute power. And that is just as disgusting as everything he was mad about in the article
During the period when Jewish houses of worship were being vandalized/attacked I had opportunity to go to a few and make sure all was well.
It was appreciated by the rabbi and those that were there.
What surprised me was how the bulletin boards were full of writings against Trump and Trump supporters.
I felt like saying "Hey do you still appreciate me being here knowing I voted for Trump?"
It was appreciated by the rabbi and those that were there.
What surprised me was how the bulletin boards were full of writings against Trump and Trump supporters.
I felt like saying "Hey do you still appreciate me being here knowing I voted for Trump?"
Interesting read but Rabbi Fischer is wrong.
Why?
Because, as a Jew, he is basing his view on the Old Testament. Those who consider themselves followers of Christ align with the New Testament in which Christ says clearly, "You cannot hate your neighbor and Love God." His words, not mine. You cannot hate. Period.
Hate is always destructive and never constructive. It took me a lifetime to learn that I cannot afford the wages of hatred.
So where does that leave is?
To love your neighbor does not mean you have to endorse his actions. Who could endorse the actions of a Hitler, Stalin, Mao? We must stand against that sort of action but without hate or we become just like those we hate.
Awhile back I said in response to a post "I am the Abyss." It was half in jest but half truth. To gaze into the abyss and have it gaze back is a terrifying, horrific experience, yet in some ways a beautiful one in that it liberates you from all you think you are. It show you yourself at the lowest you can be. After that nothing else can phase you too much. I can no longer hate because hate takes you straight into the abyss. BTDT and I dont want to go back. Its insanity, its death to the soul and spirit.
Why?
Because, as a Jew, he is basing his view on the Old Testament. Those who consider themselves followers of Christ align with the New Testament in which Christ says clearly, "You cannot hate your neighbor and Love God." His words, not mine. You cannot hate. Period.
Hate is always destructive and never constructive. It took me a lifetime to learn that I cannot afford the wages of hatred.
So where does that leave is?
To love your neighbor does not mean you have to endorse his actions. Who could endorse the actions of a Hitler, Stalin, Mao? We must stand against that sort of action but without hate or we become just like those we hate.
Awhile back I said in response to a post "I am the Abyss." It was half in jest but half truth. To gaze into the abyss and have it gaze back is a terrifying, horrific experience, yet in some ways a beautiful one in that it liberates you from all you think you are. It show you yourself at the lowest you can be. After that nothing else can phase you too much. I can no longer hate because hate takes you straight into the abyss. BTDT and I dont want to go back. Its insanity, its death to the soul and spirit.
Quick question, I'm assuming based on your above statement you openly profess yourself to be a Christian?
Can I ask what denomination you subscribe to, or are you an independent Christian?
Honestly, I dont think of my self as a Christian because Ive seen so many monstrous things done by 'Christianity. It would be more accurate if I were to say "I see myself as Christ's." as in possessed by Him. I just try to live by his very simple teaching which by my distillation says "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." I usually fail miserably but I know the way and strive to live in it.
Perhaps that makes me an 'Independent'?
You might start being better by being more humble. Your holier than thou shtick is getting old and threadbare.
You seem awful keen to pop your fellow Americans.
I do wonder, those of you who speak in terms of Good and Evil and see yourselves as champions of the former. If you weren't active duty, did you go to Syria to fight ISIS? Did you go to Rwanda to fight against the fastest rate of human slaughter in modern history? Have you ventured south of the border to fight against the cartels? Do you go into the inner cities and fight off the drug dealers and pimps who prey on school kids?
Are you a member of an A-Team helping people or are you spending your time thinking 'somebody do something, cause goddam I'm mad!'. Or do you only want to be a champion of Good not in any absolute term, becuase that would deny the ability to be selective, but a very nuanced, specific sense?
There is evil in abundance, I wonder why you want to kill your own citizens more than fight it where it is manifest and holding dominion so clearly and visibly.
negative. JC was not talking about the word we use "hate" which simply means "intense or passionate dislike. "
do you know what word was actually used by JC and what it meant to them?
When I think of 'hate' it goes far beyond "intense or passionate dislike." It goes to the point of needing to destroy that object or person.
Go ahead, as Nik H. put if, Im always open to learning.
I don’t ignore others, it pays to know. I thought that you, being so recently purified and “Christ’s”, might appreciate the pointer. It’s your choice, not mine.
what i am trying to get across is that the "translations", of which there are many, cannot always (in english) completely convey what may have been implied by the native language at the time. for example, there are several passages in the bible where jesus seems to contradict himself.
Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household. Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
—Matthew 10:34–37
If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.
—Luke 14:26
Good post.
Understood, and agreed. Try telling a fundamentalist Christian that Jesus, or the Bible, seems to contradict himself. LOL
Of course by "hate his mother nd father" he didnt mean literally, but jsut to place a greater importance on following him than familial concerns.
My understanding of the passage I quoted is that, that hatred is a darkening of the heart toward another. Even with the intent to destroy. And foe Lash, I am far from free from that, at times, I just know its not the way and try to get back to being right hearted, rather than wallow in the hate.
My Father survived the concentration camps. The Nazis murdered 38 members of our family. My Father knew each and everyone of those murdered. Most all their names can easily be found denoted on ledgers readily available to all. He witnessed his Grandmother drowned right in front of him and more than a few or those whom he loved, starved, tortured, shot, strangled or gassed.
He didn’t hate.
I’ll never forget coming home from University and he was driving an Audi….blew my mind at the time. He had more than a few German and Austrian friends. The reality was once upon a time he too was European. Interestingly this quality could be noted in numerous of the other survivors I had the privilege of meeting over the years…..I can't recall a single individual who manifested hatred.
In my opinion it is important to recognize that many religions and philosophies advocate love, understanding, compassion and forgiveness. While noble it certainly is not unique to Judeo-Christian values.
He didn’t hate.
I’ll never forget coming home from University and he was driving an Audi….blew my mind at the time. He had more than a few German and Austrian friends. The reality was once upon a time he too was European. Interestingly this quality could be noted in numerous of the other survivors I had the privilege of meeting over the years…..I can't recall a single individual who manifested hatred.
In my opinion it is important to recognize that many religions and philosophies advocate love, understanding, compassion and forgiveness. While noble it certainly is not unique to Judeo-Christian values.
Thats a really powerful story. thanks for sharing it.
And I in no way implied that it was unique, just that it is central to that particular faith. The high teaching of the Hindi, and Buddhists say the same.
you never had hate sex?
semantics are such a tricky thing, especially when separated by 2 millennia.
what word was actually used back then?
i bet the word "hate" was used for more than one word in the original texts and languages.
notice that when we don't have a good word for something in another language, we try to adopt that word rather than replace it with our own.
since the english lexicon is large, we don't notice as much, but if you watch a spanish language broadcast, you will hear words in english for which there is no direct translation into spanish.
in the bible translations, there is no such luxury, so we are stuck with words from our language that can be different from the original intentions.
some versions of the bible are quite different.
example: mojito. we don't have a word for it in english, so we call it a mojito. in the bible, they would have called it "wine", because they would not have used a foreign word in their translations. i like wine, but hate mojitos. see how bible translations can go wrong?
this is why trying to interpret the bible is a tricky thing.
i suggest most folks should just get some general ideas from it, and not even attempt to take everything literally. too many contradictions.
the word hate is watered down now anyway. we hate lima beans. we hate the giants....
despise is a stronger word to me.
Let's see... passages written in Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic that were translated into Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic by different people at different times, rearranged at least once and edited for flow and content, retranslated into Roman Latin, copied variously by people who made the occasional mistake (and the translations might already have been flawed), then there were at least two antique German and Swiss versions of the Bible translated from both those and from the "original Greek and Hebrew" hundreds of years after those languages had been spoken exactly the same way, and then there were at least two English translations in a time when English was somewhat removed from our modern version before the King James Version was produced...
Small wonder, then, that you've had Christians arguing over the text and its meaning when even translating from ancient Greek and Hebrew into Modern English would result in three different versions if three different people did the work.
(But I'm just talking about the dangers of trusting any translation or version of the Bible as being 100% definitive; even learning ancient Greek and Hebrew and reading it that way your own self would have its shortcomings. One of the first things I was taught in my history courses is that even the best primary sources aren't 100% reliable.)
you never had hate sex?
semantics are such a tricky thing, especially when separated by 2 millennia.
what word was actually used back then?
i bet the word "hate" was used for more than one word in the original texts and languages.
notice that when we don't have a good word for something in another language, we try to adopt that word rather than replace it with our own.
since the english lexicon is large, we don't notice as much, but if you watch a spanish language broadcast, you will hear words in english for which there is no direct translation into spanish.
in the bible translations, there is no such luxury, so we are stuck with words from our language that can be different from the original intentions.
some versions of the bible are quite different.
example: mojito. we don't have a word for it in english, so we call it a mojito. in the bible, they would have called it "wine", because they would not have used a foreign word in their translations. i like wine, but hate mojitos. see how bible translations can go wrong?
this is why trying to interpret the bible is a tricky thing.
i suggest most folks should just get some general ideas from it, and not even attempt to take everything literally. too many contradictions.
the word hate is watered down now anyway. we hate lima beans. we hate the giants....
despise is a stronger word to me.
I couldnt get it to highlight in color so Ill just agree with both of you. Thousands of years, a multitude of languages and translations, and viewing it in our own time/mind, can make it muddy.
But I think if we ponder it carefully, and with proper spirit, we can get some understanding of what was intended.
English is special, unlike other languages that are not sure what to do, when the English language sees something it wants to add, it's not afraid to barge right into some other country, rip off their words, their sentences, hell their entire grammar and haul it back as loot and proudly pound it into the jargon with a big mallet and get on with things, then of course act like it was always ours.
Edit: Since the conversation has moved so far in the interim, I think I should mention that the following is a response to Maggot in post #13.
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In his column, Fischer never says he hates any particular individual; he hates what they have done. You might want to read these paragraphs again - particularly the first paragraph - to better understand what he's saying:
"The Bible certainly does not encourage hate. “Do not hate your brother in your heart. [If he does wrong, go ahead and] Rebuke your compatriot, but do not sin because of him” (Leviticus 19:17). “Do not seek revenge, and do not bear a grudge against the children of your people. And you shall love your neighbor as you love yourself” (Leviticus 19:18). But the Bible acknowledges the existence of viciousness and cruelty, and it demands of decent people that we not sit on the fence in the face of evil: “Those who love G-d hate evil” (Psalm 97:10). King Solomon laid it out best in that magnificently poetic third chapter of Ecclesiastes, which inspired not only The Byrds but even Pete Seeger and Judy Collins.
Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. There is a time to hate.
I have come deeply to hate. I hate that Donald Trump never was given a chance to be president of the United States for even one day’s honeymoon. I hate that, long before he won the presidency — fair and square — corrupt crooks and criminals in the United States Department of Justice, its Federal Bureau of Investigation, were actively plotting to take him down. I hate that there are so few outlets in the media that give voice to condemn the criminality and corruption that broke every accepted societal norm by which we play the game. I hate that Obama was in on it, yet continues to pontificate on what is just and on what threatens freedom.
I hate that they all keep getting away with it. Every single one of them gets away with it. There is absolutely no price to be paid on the left for perjury, for conspiracy to overturn a legitimate election, for treason."
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It seems to me that he's saying very specifically that he hates the sin here, not the sinner. He certainly doesn't like the sinners, but he's careful not to let himself descend into the insanity that could result from feeling hatred towards them as individuals.
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In his column, Fischer never says he hates any particular individual; he hates what they have done. You might want to read these paragraphs again - particularly the first paragraph - to better understand what he's saying:
"The Bible certainly does not encourage hate. “Do not hate your brother in your heart. [If he does wrong, go ahead and] Rebuke your compatriot, but do not sin because of him” (Leviticus 19:17). “Do not seek revenge, and do not bear a grudge against the children of your people. And you shall love your neighbor as you love yourself” (Leviticus 19:18). But the Bible acknowledges the existence of viciousness and cruelty, and it demands of decent people that we not sit on the fence in the face of evil: “Those who love G-d hate evil” (Psalm 97:10). King Solomon laid it out best in that magnificently poetic third chapter of Ecclesiastes, which inspired not only The Byrds but even Pete Seeger and Judy Collins.
Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. There is a time to hate.
I have come deeply to hate. I hate that Donald Trump never was given a chance to be president of the United States for even one day’s honeymoon. I hate that, long before he won the presidency — fair and square — corrupt crooks and criminals in the United States Department of Justice, its Federal Bureau of Investigation, were actively plotting to take him down. I hate that there are so few outlets in the media that give voice to condemn the criminality and corruption that broke every accepted societal norm by which we play the game. I hate that Obama was in on it, yet continues to pontificate on what is just and on what threatens freedom.
I hate that they all keep getting away with it. Every single one of them gets away with it. There is absolutely no price to be paid on the left for perjury, for conspiracy to overturn a legitimate election, for treason."
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It seems to me that he's saying very specifically that he hates the sin here, not the sinner. He certainly doesn't like the sinners, but he's careful not to let himself descend into the insanity that could result from feeling hatred towards them as individuals.
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lol, could not have said it better. i felt i was being long winded already.
not to mention the "canon" was adopted from a larger collection of documents, some excluded for reasons that may not seem reasonable to us today.
i'd like to get a look at the bible in hell (without having to go there).
I think I can agree with that. I mean, I'm not a Christian in any sense of the word. But one would be a fool not to acknowledge that two thousand years ago, a Nazarene named Jesus bar-Joseph had some pretty good philosophical views and some valid criticisms of the Jewish faith at the time, and discussed them at length with his students and others and was rather unjustly punished by the same corruption he sought to expose. What came after in the name of him and his philosophy, even the myriad letters written by his disciples that form the bulk of the New Testament, do not necessarily equate to what he would have done or said himself.
At least that's my more secular opinion on the subject. I've read the Buddha's teachings and the works of Greek philosophers in translation as well, and while I don't subscribe to every single attribute of what they've said either, that doesn't mean I can't understand the intention and points behind it.
Aye that was what I meant by "edited for flow and content", lol. Removing swaths of material, rearranging, cut-and-pasting to make the end product flow better. And the Hebrew texts in many cases were gathered over decades, if not centuries, already, with vastly changing viewpoints over that time and changes in their own language and influences... Kinda why the Old Testament randomly has the Psalms and Proverbs stuck in the middle of the narrative.
No need to visit hell, just come to Texas. (Historical joke).
If you want to read what was left out, you can actually find a lot of it if you go looking.
It's funny how they cut out books from the bible but left in the parts in the bible where it tells you to go read up on xxx book.
The cannon was formalized once the actual Christian Church had completely changed to a political structure and embraced much of the old Roman Pagan religion to better meld into a symbiotic fusion of church and state where both empowered the other and excluded anyone from their club.
Even after that it went through several revisions in later years as various "leaders" ditched things they didn't care much for.
Part of it also is because some of the left out books greatly expand the meaning of things and show it's not all this tight little narrow simplified thing.
What he spoke was TRUTH. What came after him is religion
Ive read the Buddha's teachings as well, the eight fold path etc. Studied philosophy at UVA with a specialization in ancient Greek. Ive only delved a bit into Hindu teachings but for a great read get a copy of Harvard Press / Francis Edgarton translation of the Bhagavad Gita (The Song of the Blessed One) Beautiful poetic philosophy. Thats the only translation to read. Degarton really allows the ryhtmic chant song to come through.
There’s one thing I’ve learned about hate! It will destroy you from the inside with time! I have not learned yet as I despise and hate the commie fuckers that are destroying this country! But I also know that you are right about hate ! Long story short there was a guy that deceived me and used me one time! For the longest I could only lay awake and think of the most horrendous and sick ways I could get back at him! After time I realized it was only hurting me!
And while you and I might disagree on that truth, I can agree with the intention of your statement. Which is what is important. We don't have to agree, just acknowledge some common ground. Similarities should outweigh differences when they can.
I will hate the left enough for all of us so you guys dont have to. These people are sick, twisted, evil people. Go ahead and love them while they destroy everything you care about.
the left is evil.
unfortunately, "liberal" americans are fucking idiots that would strap on a bomb and blow themselves up if they lived in some muslim country like iraq.
they are brainwashed, and i am literally frightened by what i hear if i tune into cnn or msdnc. imagine if you believed don lemon.
unfortunately, "liberal" americans are fucking idiots that would strap on a bomb and blow themselves up if they lived in some muslim country like iraq.
they are brainwashed, and i am literally frightened by what i hear if i tune into cnn or msdnc. imagine if you believed don lemon.
I wish no harm to Americans at all. Now those who pretend to being Americans, by playing the system I have no compassion for at all. This country is full of people like that,....and that type needs to go. How they go I could care less,...
I think its more than that, than the left.
I think it’s more a class of individual that is evil…
Sure, from day one the left has been pushing it’s whiny/bitchy agenda to take down Trump by using any possible means and having an insanely difficult time doing it.
but the left is not alone in performing those actions... Certainly are the most vocal and persistent at it
They are much like elected, just puppets,...I've always found trying to play their masters game is useless,... better to have them try to follow your's.
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