Supreme Court says eastern Oklahoma remains Native American territory
Legal authority over virtually half of Oklahoma – home to 1.8 million residents and including Tulsa, its second-largest city – was at issue.
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A silver lining if any is that a majority of SCOTUS decided - even if just this one time - that the Constitution actually means precisely what it says. I
I guess I'll find out as my 700 acres sits right on the middle of Choctaw country.
I am a whitey...or at least my "heritage" is undocumented (like Elizabeth Warren). My great grandmother was married up near Porum in 1911 and listed as "Hawaiian", LOL.
However my wife and kids are certified Choctaw with CDIB cards.
I get around some taxes because I'm VA 100 percent disabled...we shall see if I have to pay the tribe now for certain things. As of right now, I'm property and sales tax free.
Maybe it'll work in my favor somehow.
My wife and daughter are also card carryin’ Choctaw. We don’t live in the area anymore but probably will again someday. Interesting decision.
A silver lining if any is that a majority of SCOTUS decided - even if just this one time - that the Constitution actually means precisely what it says. In this case that treaties entered into become the law of the land.
And does that mean I can join the Bureau of Indian Affairs police so that the white natives will have ample representation?So are all of the People whom are living on the "Native Land" considered "Natives" now?
After all, that IS how it works, isn't it?
WTF just happened?!
How did this logic get this far? Does anyone NOT think that there will be a dump truck full of lawsuits from every single state happening now? Along with individual property cases.
Talk about destabilizing a nation from within. This court is less than ideal.
Good bye, Mt Rushmore?
I would personally save that number.Better buy land soon. Texas' mass exodus north has caused land prices to skyrocket. Just got a letter in the mail last month from a Texas firm offering $2,750 / acre sight unseen for my land. However most ag places are being listed for $3-4K plus now.
That's nothing compared to other states, I know, but its double what would have been offered a decade ago.
How about the lower 48?@pmclaine is on fire.
#howaboutcalifornia
Reading up on it a little I think there is another issue: they just legitimized reparations. Justice Gorsuch wrote: “Because Congress has not said otherwise, we hold the government to its word.”
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I think you are right in your assessment that it wasn't a lawful treaty approved by Congress. Note that I didn't say legalize, but legitimize. He was acting as an emissary of the government, so that's where I think someone will try. I mean, hell, why not try? The door has been opened, and the outside chance doesn't seem so outside these days.That was not a lawful treaty that was approved by congress, so it is not covered.
Also if you are relying on the executive branch said, well the executive branch later said no.
So in either case the issue was ended firmly.
That won't stop people from trying to come up with crazy ideas.... for OMG segregation.... Funny how in the end the folks who want "special" deals come up with the exact same stuff that everybody previously agreed on was no good.
And does that mean I can join the Bureau of Indian Affairs police so that the white natives will have ample representation?
I mean yes I already can join the BIA Police, or rather I can apply to do so if I have the educational requirements or qualifications despite being Caucasian. And I wouldn't be disappointed if I was rejected. It was only half-serious, anyway.You already know that answer. Totally acceptable to grant Indian preference in tribal hiring...its actually advertised. Doesn't hurt my feelings either, I think businesses should be able to hire whatever they want and not have to tippy toe around stupid laws.
I would personally save that number.
Tim is a lefty that got red pilled, this podcast is a little dramatic at this point about the consequences, but it starts to ask the next logical questions - does E OK loose their elected representatives? Who receives the taxes? Are there competing legal standards? Main thing - check out the map at @ 14:00 - prairie fire.
There are foreign and domestic forces that see one possible avenue of attack as a balkanized USA.
The S Court is comp'd. FISA and Epstein's plane logs....
On another note how is it that Judge Sullivan is asking the court of appeals to rehear his case against the Flynn dismissal?
In other news - G Maxwell may have been a key editor in Reddit, Reddit may have been funky from the jump, and really a platform to disseminate pedo pics and pedo propaganda, other propaganda.
4g fuckery is in full swing.
Can I just carve out some areas in some states and create my own state? Hmmmm...
It's been tried recently.
The answer is, "yes, if you can hold it."
Bulldozers, cops, and social workers cleaned up their room for them, and kicked them out.Whatever happened to the CHOP?
@Memberberries I get the impression you don’t understand what jurisdiction means.
Check out the nature of the relationship between the tribes and the federal government, and then the states. How would a Tulsa cop arrest someone for violating state or federal law on a reservation? He might as well go arrest people in Mexico. The tribes and local LE might try to hodgepodge something workable together, who knows, I hear the word collaboration being used heavily. I think this is a stop gap, because obviously the tribes can’t afford to govern their new citizens yet. They will have to start collecting the taxes to build out their own infrastructure which can be transitioned to later. However, the legal nature and ultimate reality of those lands for those people, is they went to bed in Tulsa, Oklahoma USA and woke up in a different country with no state. If local government remains to any degree, it will be under the tribe’s direction and authority.Frequently Asked Questions | Indian Affairs
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How will there not be a mass release of inmates? What’s going to happen once there is a mass granting of appeals?? I’ll answer- there will be a mass releasing of prisoners. That’s exactly what this precedent does.
The truth is there isn’t much question what this means. The questions are how much can and will the tribes be able to take on, but legally it’s all theirs now. Relationships concerning reservations have been well defined. If you keep your property, it’s because the tribe honors the other countries deeds and covenants. If they don’t want you to own it, you don’t. Question about taxes? There isn’t one, the tribe sets and collects it’s taxes. Laws? The tribe has to write them. Law Enforcement? Belongs to the tribes.
It sure is! And has to be, if the legal reality were discussed with clarity, the people would likely leave. That means the tax revenue necessary to build tribal governance would dry up. Like I said in an earlier post it’ll take 10-20 years for the people to see what this means, and probably another decade or two to accept it, but unless Trump or the people intervene, it’s inevitable.It's being downplayed right now, and that may actually work for a little bit, but it'll be interesting to see things unfold as people start to ease into the New OK.
Generally whites can’t hunt on reservations, even on their “own” land. But don’t worry the natives will hunt them for you, because you can’t post your land and those guys hunt year round.Heck no. I hope it drops through the floor. I'm not selling anyway. Plus there are another 339 acres that border my land in various places that I'd love to buy...not doing anything but providing hogs cover right now anyways.
It sure is! And has to be, if the legal reality were discussed with clarity, the people would likely leave. That means the tax revenue necessary to build tribal governance would dry up. Like I said in an earlier post it’ll take 10-20 years for the people to see what this means, and probably another decade or two to accept it, but unless Trump or the people intervene, it’s inevitable.