Ridiculous. Start calling and writing, again! I’m not paying crap. Taken off of MAC!!! Get active! Meh, Probably a ploy to try and get people against Trump!
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ATF at it again...
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Purchased , built and owned legally . I'll call and they can eat a bowl a dicks . Really gettin tired of the bullshit .
Make sure to tell them that they work for us indirectly, we ain’t slaves. They need to be reminded of that.
Oh really?
We may not want to be slaves but we most definitely are for the oligarchy and parasite/welfare/.gov class
Yeah, it’s definitely become that but that’s not how it’s supposed to be. I remain optimistic that the tide is changing. Normally I’m the opposite of that. Don’t ruin my mojo. Regardless, I think they can do whatever they want and aren’t going to get much compliance, like the AR ban in Connecticut. They got like 10 turned in. So nobody complying.
Wheres the guy that always says, "I'm glad I just got mine as SBRs".
Those will be gone next and the gov has records.
Wasting your breath man! They will come in here and say that they can’t touch them cause they are in a trust or some other such nonsense.
It's not just the ATF..... Every other Government Agency is on a last minute power grab campaign.....
History repeating itself...
Hobo
History repeating itself...
Hobo
I swear, we really are our own worst enemy. I own SBRs to but I’m under no illusion that it stops here.
More detailed information to their latest unlawful power grab.
"However, ATF also noted in the most recent private ruling that the above design features are “neither binding on future classifications nor is any factor individually determinative[.]” ATF explained without elaboration that “the statutory and regulatory definitions provide the appropriate standard in classifying the firearm.” ATF concluded that “a firearm that is too large, too heavy or . . . otherwise not designed to be held and fired in one hand (as demonstrated by the objective features) cannot be a handgun under the statutory definition and cannot be subject to importation criteria governing handguns.” In light of ATF’s subjective and inconsistent analysis of size and weight, it is difficult to predict how the agency will classify any given firearm under this standard."
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Due process - what's that?Maybe they were planning this all along when ATF backed off the their prohibiting shouldering of the thing that goes up.
Let the pistol become the most popular Ar15, AK on the market and then pull some chickenshit reversal to tax them. Cha-ching.
It not only would make the gov. a lot of money, it would make brace owners that didn't comply overnight felons and the ones that are stupid enough to apply for a stamp get on the first list of confiscations when the time comes.
Let the pistol become the most popular Ar15, AK on the market and then pull some chickenshit reversal to tax them. Cha-ching.
It not only would make the gov. a lot of money, it would make brace owners that didn't comply overnight felons and the ones that are stupid enough to apply for a stamp get on the first list of confiscations when the time comes.
I'm not so sure on the tax part, registration maybe.
There is already precedent on reclassification. The "Street Sweeper" and two other shotguns were reclassified as destructive devices in 1994. Existing owners had to paper them but there was no tax, they got a free stamp. Subsequent transfers would require paying the tax.
The bumpstock deal was different in that there is no new manufacture of MG's for the great unwashed and these didn't exist prior to 1986 so there was no amnesty for them.
I'd be very surprised if the ATF reversed it's stance on pistols and required a SBR stamp without requiring the applicant pay the current $200.00 fee. If they want owners to just register them for 'free' I'd be even more justifiably paranoid of their motives.
There is an earlier precedent set by Murdock v Pennsylvania a that it is unlawful and unconstitutional to tax or require a liscence of that which is a right. Good thing they sign that Patriot act into law, without it they might still be bound by the Constitution.
I just read the article, I don’t see how they can decide what is “too heavy” for a pistol. It says over 8lbs, to some people 8lbs is a lot and to some not a lot. There’s a 50BMG handgun that is most certainly a handgun that weighs like 15lbs or something like that.
They need to stick the the technical specifics and not something that varies individual to individual. That’s a whole bunch of bullshit.
They need to stick the the technical specifics and not something that varies individual to individual. That’s a whole bunch of bullshit.
My boat sunk. I think I saw pieces of it coming out of the bottom side of the dam after it'd produced some power.Looks like I'm going out on the lake again this weekend... Anybody else gonna be out there?
You know it just hit me that they are wanting to make these AOWs, not that I agree with any of it, but an AOW stamp is literally $5, not $200. Or are they trying to say that in its current imported form these pistols are AOWs and that in order to use a brace you do need to pay the $200? They don’t even know. If I could register them for $5 tho and roll on as is, with no wait and still run the brace, again not that I agree with it, but that’s not as bad as I initially thought. Booo! Never mind. I see that’s just for the stamp. You still got to pay the $200 tax. Clearly I have no AOWs, only SBRs. Wait, I wouldn’t be creating one tho as by their definition I would have bought one which means it would literally be the $5 stamp. Hmmm...yeah they ain’t got a clue.
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If you think it’s about money then you don’t see the issue. It’s about government over reach, more infringement, and registration. That’s the issue, fuck the money, ain’t too many poors around here. I think most here would pay double or triple the tax stamp cost for their suppressor transfers to not take 9+ months.
We agree on all points. Read my earlier posts. It has nothing to do with the money. Nobody in this board is naive enough to think it’s about money lmao, or that they will stop with this silliness. I was attempting to point out somewhat if their stupidity by what they are doing but of course we already know how stupid all this is. Frankly, I grow tired of their BS. It either is or it ain’t and imo we have bent over backwards trying to appease, follow the rulea etc. this is straight up BS.
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