Cause if the gun is heavy it must be a Witch!! More ATF stupidness..
Pistols must be light and float so they must be made of wood like a duck to be safe....
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They are just trying to save some of the guns from a terrible fate of drowning at sea. It’s a recent epidemic taking more guns a day than rust and commies combined. For some reason all these gun owners make lousy boat owners. Only a gun owner can somehow accidentally sink a boat in clear blue waters with no icebergs in site..
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Over the past half century, ATF has issued several studies and criteria on how it evaluates whether shotguns, rifles, or handguns qualify as “sporting” under the law. The handgun factoring test is the most straightforward of these, with a point tally system that rewards larger and bulkier handguns. If a handgun receives 75 or more points, it is considered “sporting” and approved for importation. However, there is no ATF-issued “sporting purpose” test for a firearm that fails to fit within the definition of handgun, rifle, or shotgun. Accordingly, ATF has long held that such a firearm is not importable.
Despite ATF previously stating that there is no limit to how long or heavy a handgun should be to qualify as “sporting” under section 925(d)(3), ATF private classification letters issued within the past few months indicate that the agency has shifted course by reinterpreting what constitutes a “handgun.” In company-specific letters, ATF takes the position that if a submitted firearm is too long or too heavy, it fails to meet the definition of “handgun” under the Gun Control Act, as it is not “designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand.” The Firearms and Ammunition Technology Division (FATD) of ATF—which conducts importability evaluations—says that it is taking a subjective approach to the statute by allowing individual examiners to determine if he or she can fire the weapon with one hand without difficulty.
This approach is resulting in inconsistent determinations, of which the regulated community should take note. Within the past few months, at least one HK91 pistol-style submission as light as 8 pounds, with a barrel length of 8-3/4 inches and an overall length of 21-3/4 inches, has been determined to fall outside the definition of “handgun.” This is a change from previous determinations where firearms weighing over 8 pounds, with 20-inch barrels, and an overall length of approximately 31-1/2 inches were held by FATD to be “handguns.” Since the letters are not publicly available, it is impossible for regulated companies to know the full range of FATD’s determinations. This has serious implications for regulated businesses.
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REALLY??? We have leftist domestic terrorists in the process of committing treason with the aid of foreign countries to destroy this country, and over 250,000 deaths annually due to preventable medical errors, and all sorts of pedos and lowlife scum walking our streets, and THIS is what they are spending taxpayer money to be concerned about???
Over the past half century, ATF has issued several studies and criteria on how it evaluates whether shotguns, rifles, or handguns qualify as “sporting” under the law. The handgun factoring test is the most straightforward of these, with a point tally system that rewards larger and bulkier handguns. If a handgun receives 75 or more points, it is considered “sporting” and approved for importation. However, there is no ATF-issued “sporting purpose” test for a firearm that fails to fit within the definition of handgun, rifle, or shotgun. Accordingly, ATF has long held that such a firearm is not importable.
Despite ATF previously stating that there is no limit to how long or heavy a handgun should be to qualify as “sporting” under section 925(d)(3), ATF private classification letters issued within the past few months indicate that the agency has shifted course by reinterpreting what constitutes a “handgun.” In company-specific letters, ATF takes the position that if a submitted firearm is too long or too heavy, it fails to meet the definition of “handgun” under the Gun Control Act, as it is not “designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand.” The Firearms and Ammunition Technology Division (FATD) of ATF—which conducts importability evaluations—says that it is taking a subjective approach to the statute by allowing individual examiners to determine if he or she can fire the weapon with one hand without difficulty.
This approach is resulting in inconsistent determinations, of which the regulated community should take note. Within the past few months, at least one HK91 pistol-style submission as light as 8 pounds, with a barrel length of 8-3/4 inches and an overall length of 21-3/4 inches, has been determined to fall outside the definition of “handgun.” This is a change from previous determinations where firearms weighing over 8 pounds, with 20-inch barrels, and an overall length of approximately 31-1/2 inches were held by FATD to be “handguns.” Since the letters are not publicly available, it is impossible for regulated companies to know the full range of FATD’s determinations. This has serious implications for regulated businesses.
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REALLY??? We have leftist domestic terrorists in the process of committing treason with the aid of foreign countries to destroy this country, and over 250,000 deaths annually due to preventable medical errors, and all sorts of pedos and lowlife scum walking our streets, and THIS is what they are spending taxpayer money to be concerned about???
CQC using the pistol in your hand as a force multiplier and extension of your fists is a well known school of it's own and routinely taught in firearm based defensive classes for both military and civilian students. Massad Ayoob even wrote an instructional essay titled "Punching With a Pistol", with the sole focus on using the slide of a semiauto (or topstrap and barrel if you are using a revolver) to deliver blunt strikes to incapacitate or restrain an assailant if an encounter becomes a CQC scene. I personally prefer a heavier pistol not just for that reason but in my experience, heavier handguns balance better and absorb the impulse of a shot in a more smooth fashion, allowing for faster and more accurate followups if needed. I guess a part of it also has something to do with ancient evolutionary instincts regarding men and their choice and design of weapons... Heavier weapons offer a more rugged sense of security in the face of potential danger when gripped in the hands. A Neanderthal hunter facing down a giant full grown mastodon way back in the day will probably want a nice, hefty, and heavy spear in his hands as opposed to a flimsy and thin one that may be easier to carry on a hike, but may also break during a life or death emergency... In any case, weight has never been an issue for me when choosing a reasonable sized martial caliber pistol or revolver for CCW and backpack carry...
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