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Most if not everyone here has seen the Biden/Harris anti-gun agenda.

In my own personal belief, unless they take the Senate, they will be hard pressed to do any bans or taxes.

However, one thing that troubles me, it would be very easy for the incoming administration to take the steps as they want to to stop the online/mail order sales of ammunition and gun parts. In my opinion, it would be hard to challenge such administrative action in the courts, whether it being an executive order, BATFE ruling, etc.

If this would occure, it would cause long term shortages, and/or even higher prices, and nothing unlike the temporary (we hope?) shortages we have seen during the last few elections.

Who here remembers having to buy ammo from a dealer back in the 80's at what we now consider inflated prices. Unless you only shot 22LR or reloaded back in the day, it was cost prohibitive to shoot as much as many of us do these days.

Other than wearing out a barrel or extractor, I've yet to break or loose any parts from any of my firearms in the decades that I've been a firearms owner and shooter. But in today environment, I find myself ordering and stocking up on spare parts, especially for the AR platform since I consider them a high usage/wear item.

Should have listened to Jerry and bought more ammo, even though I thought I had enough.
 
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aint shit gonna happen.

the president cannot just unilaterally ban items through EO....its going to need to go through the senate, and they dont have the votes.

Did you think someone could win the election via fraud either? Dont be surprised what can happen. Fingers crossed and get out and vote ... still amazed how many people didnt vote
 
aint shit gonna happen.

the president cannot just unilaterally ban items through EO....its going to need to go through the senate, and they dont have the votes.

Not banning parts (or ammo), but prohibiting them to be shipped to individuals via internet or mail order sales, just like ammunition was back in the 80's.
 
I do believe Trump has already proven you wrong on that, he banned bump stocks via executive order. He set the precedent that is to come.
Slightly different, if I recall he had the atf classify then as a machine gun

Not the same as an outright ban
 
Again, we are not talking about a ban (parts and ammo), rather prohibiting the sale via internet and mail order to individuals.
 
I just wonder, IF China Joe and the hoe, does get in, will the Rhinos pass legislation on certain "lessor of two evils" crap, to appease the Left and mum the phrase, "Can't we all just get along and heal"?? I mean, with what's happening now, crickets out of the Repubs. Mac:unsure:
 
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It gets more complicated when interstate commerce becomes an issue. I think they will have a hard time doing anything on that end. I am more inclined to think they will get the RINOs to go along with universal background checks and that kind of action.
 
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Would it open up the market for arms dealers the one's that supply all the rebels around the world.
 
We went bonkers and pissed and moaned when Obama was gonna take all our guns...we bought everything and we hoarded like a bunch of bitches and then what happened? Under Obama I got *more* gun rights - I got concealed carry in Illinois. Calm down. Be vigilant but stop jerking yer knees like a bunch of Girls.

We knew this was coming. Deal with it.

VooDoo
 
Idk. Maybe it goes something like..

Joe signs an EO banning (whatever).

Some AG files an injunction.

Some judge picks it up and issues order stopping the EO.

SH members rejoice and praise the judge for their wisdom.

EO is rewritten, some language changed and signed again.

Again an injunction is filed and EO is stopped.

Then...

It finally goes to the SCOTUS.

Where 2A is strengthened as a result.

Estatic, people light "illegal" fireworks and dance naked in the streets while chugging boones wine in massive celebration...

This is what i envision.

All that "court packing" wasnt for nothing, ammirite?
 
They are going to have a hard time defining what is and what isn't legally a firearm part

Are spring ls a firearms part and banned from online sale?

Are roll pins?

Are setscrews?

If that's the case McMaster Carr better kiss their ass goodbye

If somehow this does become law, you are going to see a lot of "gun parts" being sold with a disclaimer "not for firearms use"...
 
Trump and Company stacked the courts. They can't so shit since they don't have a majority in the Senate. It'll be just like the last 4 years - *nothing* will get done except our "Representation" will get fucking rich and make the Oligarchy that runs America Great Again.

US? No problemo. We are on our own...same as it ever was. Same as it ever was.

VooDoo
 
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Do you have any info on this 80's ammo shipping ban?

I cannot tell you where the ruling or law was held, or when it was implemented/started maybe 1968?, but it was partially addressed when the House amended (04/10/1986) Firearms Owners' Protection Act - Amends the Gun Control Act of 1968 to redefine "gun dealer," excluding those making occasional sales or repairs. ... Extends the prohibition against shipping firearms or ammunition in interstate or foreign commerce to include such individuals. They dropped the requirements for ammunition record keeping for individuals purchasing ammunition. I was stationed overseas at the time, and when I returned Stateside, I thought cool, no longer do I need to show ID and sign for ammo purchase. Shortly after that, late 80's or early 90's, they started to allow purchase of ammo across State Lines. Back then you called the outfit advertising in Shotgun news, placed the order, and mailed them a check. Times have changed now with the internet.
 
I would think that banning ammo sales via online or across state lines would somehow violate interstate commerce and the Constitution but then again i'm not a lawyer. I feel like anything they try will be against the Constitution.
 
I personally think they'll have their claws too stuck in the economy and 1A to worry about fucking with 2A. The whole banning of "assault weapons" they talked about during the campaign is just typical lies that are always spread on the campaign trail. Just like Trump's lie about building a wall. Seriously all the Chicken Littles out there, the sky is not falling! Our country has survived way worse than this!
 
Ummmm, marijuana has been illegal since.... forever.
If there's a want/need someone will supply!!
Ohh, I forgot to mention the 15 million people living and working here....... illegally.
If they can bring bales of MJ, meth and trunk loads of people. Guns, bullets and whatever else will be the new cargo. What's pedo jo going to do? Stop payment to Mexico?
 
Idk. Maybe it goes something like..

Joe signs an EO banning (whatever).

Some AG files an injunction.

Some judge picks it up and issues order stopping the EO.

SH members rejoice and praise the judge for their wisdom.

EO is rewritten, some language changed and signed again.

Again an injunction is filed and EO is stopped.

Then...

It finally goes to the SCOTUS.

Where 2A is strengthened as a result.

Estatic, people light "illegal" fireworks and dance naked in the streets while chugging boones wine in massive celebration...

This is what i envision.

All that "court packing" wasnt for nothing, ammirite?
Boones?

MD 20/20 and Sailor Jerry, yo.
 
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He could probably force the USPS to not ship stuff. But UPS, FedEx, DHL, etc?

Simple - reclassify ammo as something other than ORM-D. Just need to get the right mid-level lackey within the DOT to leverage some existing regs, and suddenly it's not legal to ship (or at least it's prohibitively difficult/expensive).

Banning the sale and shipment of parts without specific legislation seems far more difficult. Wanna open up the "lower receiver" can o' worms, or some other previously-unforeseen unintended consequences? Forcing through a parts ban via adminstrative action would be a great way to risk having a conservative court throw the doors wide open.

The most likely course of action is just squeezing around the margins - ban pistol braces, defund parts of the ATF (such that activities like new FFL application and NFA form approvals become discouragingly long), squeeze the banks even further to discourage any form of commerce with firearms vendors, etc.
 
Trump and Company stacked the courts. They can't so shit since they don't have a majority in the Senate. It'll be just like the last 4 years - *nothing* will get done except our "Representation" will get fucking rich and make the Oligarchy that runs America Great Again.

US? No problemo. We are on our own...same as it ever was. Same as it ever was.

VooDoo

If the Dems get senate majority they can vote to increase the number justices and pack it full of left leaning judges.
 
But it doesn't look like that happened. Republicans lost one and Democrats gained one. We'll likely get another 4 years of Din Do Nuthin' Government and Bitch McConnell will watch the stack of bipartisan bills continue to pile up...they can't get *anything* done - how the fuck are they gonna take our guns?

There is enough to worry about/be concerned about here at home that I can deal with without Government. Right now I'm coming off a 6 month layoff and trying to recover my retirement and put health insurance on the table.

VooDoo
 
But it doesn't look like that happened. Republicans lost one and Democrats gained one. We'll likely get another 4 years of Din Do Nuthin' Government and Bitch McConnell will watch the stack of bipartisan bills continue to pile up...they can't get *anything* done - how the fuck are they gonna take our guns?

There is enough to worry about/be concerned about here at home that I can deal with without Government. Right now I'm coming off a 6 month layoff and trying to recover my retirement and put health insurance on the table.

VooDoo

Yea I hear you... At this point all we can do is work out ass off and make it happen. And get ready to pay more taxes and have less retirement.
 
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I personally think they'll have their claws too stuck in the economy and 1A to worry about fucking with 2A. The whole banning of "assault weapons" they talked about during the campaign is just typical lies that are always spread on the campaign trail. Just like Trump's lie about building a wall. Seriously all the Chicken Littles out there, the sky is not falling! Our country has survived way worse than this!

you think Trump didnt build any wall? there was less "new wall that wasnt there before" than i would really like but rebuilding primary barriers/walls that were garbage with new wall and a bunch of miles of secondary barriers is not a "lie about building a wall".


Ummmm, marijuana has been illegal since.... forever.
If there's a want/need someone will supply!!
Ohh, I forgot to mention the 15 million people living and working here....... illegally.
If they can bring bales of MJ, meth and trunk loads of people. Guns, bullets and whatever else will be the new cargo. What's pedo jo going to do? Stop payment to Mexico?

Going to be funny to see the Dems shit a brick if guns and ammo start flowing in from Mexico, after Joe Biden doesnt build a single foot of more wall. I mean, Biden is used to sending guns down to Mexico across the border, but dont like them coming north.
 
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Biden could cause all kinds of heartache for gun owners but it won't make the anti-gun crowd any happier because they want "tough gun laws and gun confiscation" and Executive Orders aren't going to deliver that. There is also the possibility that if Biden gets cute with EO's the Supreme Court might deliver a crushing defeat to gun regulation in general when they address appeals to the EO's. I don't see Biden doing much of anything with EO's unless we get some kind of mass shooting that causes public outrage and forces him to do something for the sake of doing something.

As long as the Democrats don't take the Senate I think were in for a pretty quiet ride on the gun regulation front. Biden can blame the Senate on blocking his gun control efforts keep shilling gun control to his base to keep the donations coming in.
 
I doubt Biden will be there long enough to cause much trouble, but HUH will do whatever her handlers tell her to do.
 
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This was always coming. All it needed was the perfect storm of politics, and that's upon us now. It's just a matter of the words being spoken, and nothing more.

I voted for the Republicans, and I could not find freedom there. I could vote for the Democrats, and I will never find freedom there.

Freedom does not come out of a ballot box, all you get is more government. Chairman Mao had it right all along.

Have you figured it out, yet? These days, Communism always follows Democracy as night follows day.

In case anyone was wondering why I'm no longer afraid of catching Covid-19...
 
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This was always coming. All it needed was the perfect storm of politics, and that's upon us now. It's just a matter of the words being spoken, and nothing more.

I voted for the Republicans, and I could not find freedom there. I could vote for the Democrats, and I will never find freedom there.

Freedom does not come out of a ballot box, all you get is more government. Chairman Mao had it right all along.

Have you figured it out, yet? These days, Communism always follows Democracy as night follows day.

In case anyone was wondering why I'm no longer afraid of catching Covid-19...

because Communism is much more deadly, and is 100% communicable in-country?