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David Chipman admits to wanting to ban AR-15

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Hmm... I was pretty young at the time, but old enough to remember this didn't happen.
 
We'll see guys. I'd offer to bet, but the last guy I bet with never paid up.
 
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What is your definition of an assault weapon?

”Well, the Southeastern states with class 3 blah blah blah”

This guy is fucking gross.

Shut up and answer the question.
 
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We'll see guys. I'd offer to bet, but the last guy I bet with never paid up.
Was it established that he was in the atf at that time and he was at Waco? Not necessarily the cocksucker in that picture though
 
Was it established that he was in the atf at that time and he was at Waco? Not necessarily the cocksucker in that picture though
I believe the official line, and I cannot vouch for it, is that he was involved in the investigation into the Waco massacre exactly because he was not at all involved in the incident itself. I have no idea if that is true, and given the whitewash investigation, if true it is hardly a recommendation.
 
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With you it is not that hard because you are an arrogant argumentative asshole that is not nearly as smart as you think.
Some of that is true, but not all of it.

This is the problem I envision happening. Conservatives accuse Chipman of being the man in the picture, and a murderer at Waco. It is easily proven that he is not the same person. All further arguments against him are basically dismissed because the first one ended up being bullshit, even though the real concerns, about the man he is now, are totally valid.
 
Actually looking at it, the circulated picture appears not to be him. His ears and chin are very particular, and the guy in the pic is not. Also, hard to imagine this fool was ever in good shape.
Back in those days, lots of people told me that I had a strong resemblance to country singer Randy Travis. I attended a show where he performed at the Houston Livestock Show in the early '90s and couldn't help notice strangers giving me double takes everywhere I went. These days (minus most of my hair and the addition of 40 lbs. or so) nobody makes that mistake about me anymore, and considering the personal troubles Travis has had, I'm A-OK with it. ;) The point is, people's appearance can change drastically over a span of decades.

From what I understand, it's an established fact that Chipman was there at Waco during the siege. What somebody needs to do is ask him directly if that's him in the notorious photo, explain the full context of the situation if he answers in the affirmative, and he should be made to answer while he's under oath.

But I'm not holding my breath for any of that to happen.
 
Back in those days, lots of people told me that I had a strong resemblance to country singer Randy Travis. I attended a show where he performed at the Houston Livestock Show in the early '90s and couldn't help notice strangers giving me double takes everywhere I went. These days (minus most of my hair and the addition of 40 lbs. or so) nobody makes that mistake about me anymore, and considering the personal troubles Travis has had, I'm A-OK with it. ;) The point is, people's appearance can change drastically over a span of decades.

From what I understand, it's an established fact that Chipman was there at Waco during the siege. What somebody needs to do is ask him directly if that's him in the notorious photo, explain the full context of the situation if he answers in the affirmative, and he should be made to answer while he's under oath.

But I'm not holding my breath for any of that to happen.
That is why it came up. I assumed that it was him, but today he was asked under oath and said not only was it not him, but it was not an ATF agent at all. It seemed like a very risky strategy to lie about that, and I assumed it was a lie, but now looking at it, it seems like it is more than likely it is not him. He also answered under oath that he was not at Waco until the investigation into the massacre. Seems easy to check, so again stupid to lie about. All of this would be a lot easier to figure out if we actually had journalists in this country, and I wouldn't be looking at ear angles and proceeding hairline.

But as I said, he wants bad things now, which is what really matters. That is why he should not be confirmed. That said, I think that if he just said "yeah, I was in the picture" he would get 50 D votes and sail through, but if it turns out he lied about it, he will not make it through, so it becomes even more of a conundrum.
 
Don't forget, Mr. Chipman wants to arrest you before you commit a crime.

Reminds me of the Lavrentiy Beria (Stalin's secret police chief) quote, "Show me the man, I'll show you the crime."


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Perhaps, though if you look closely at the two pictures, as an older man he has a lower hairline, which is not normal, and he has a different person's ears. Similar nose and mouth, for sure.
Two things never stop growing on a man, his ears and nose.
The brain stops growing in late adolescence. The eyes around 14.
 
Two things never stop growing on a man, his ears and nose.
The brain stops growing in late adolescence. The eyes around 14.
Again, this is pure silliness to argue about this, but what the hell. His ears didn't grow, they turned into somebody else's ears. It isn't the size that is different. It is the shape and placement that changed. Look at the young picture. The bottom of his ears are below his nose. In the current picture, the bottom of his ears are well above the bottom of his nose. And they are at different angles. Same with height of the top of his ears relative to his eyes. He isn't exactly a normal looking guy.

Could be the angle of the shot, but it could also be different people.
 
Two things never stop growing on a man, his ears and nose.
The brain stops growing in late adolescence. The eyes around 14.
There are actually 3 things that stop growing on a man at a certain age😀

so in the video his definition of an assault rifle is a weapon that uses a detachable magazine with a caliber greater than .22 I guess my Glock is an assault rifle then.
 
Hes NOT defining an assault weapon because they will be re defining what everything is. He knows better than to paint himself into a corner with terms and definitions. Hes been nominated to evolve the ATF into a more intrusive and overreaching Govt Bureau. Not keep it stagnant. In no way is he going to show his deck of cards to anyone.
 
Hes NOT defining an assault weapon because they will be re defining what everything is. He knows better than to paint himself into a corner with terms and definitions. Hes been nominated to evolve the ATF into a more intrusive and overreaching Govt Bureau. Not keep it stagnant. In no way is he going to show his deck of cards to anyone.

That's a good point. Their true definition of an Assault Weapon will surely change after his installation.
 
I believe the official line, and I cannot vouch for it, is that he was involved in the investigation into the Waco massacre exactly because he was not at all involved in the incident itself. I have no idea if that is true, and given the whitewash investigation, if true it is hardly a recommendation.
Regardless if that’s him in the picture, he’s being considered for the head of the atf. That should immediately mark him as corrupted
 
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The republicans will approve him. Watch. They dupe you motherfuckers every time and you keep crawling back with this "lesser of two evils" shit. There's one party in Washington. One. And they hate you.
Please lets get a go fund me together on this forum and make this a billboard across America
 
I think y’all are being a bit too hard on the boy. but for this position, we need a man!

(Children such as the one named by the OP need not apply)
 
Regardless if that’s him in the picture, he’s being considered for the head of the atf. That should immediately mark him as corrupted
True.
 
We'll see guys. I'd offer to bet, but the last guy I bet with never paid up.

To be clear the bet is if David Chipman is in the photo labeled USAWDTX 093-01048?

What would satisfy the burden of proof for you?
 
To be clear the bet is if David Chipman is in the photo labeled USAWDTX 093-01048?

What would satisfy the burden of proof for you?
Correct. I don't really care what burden of proof, just more than a bunch of people saying it is. It doesn't have to be finding Nicole Simpson's real killer. I figure I win either way, because if it is him, he isn't going to end up head of the ATF.

I'll offer the same bet @Seed tick welched on. $20 to the Snipers Hide community fund.
 

I don't know ... looks pretty close.

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Positive match. No question.

So why is he carrying an 'assault rifle' as he poses next to the charred remains of one of the Americans he burned alive? In case of survivors?
 
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Can someone direct me to the Snipers Hide Community Fund. I owe $20 and I don’t Welch you shit stain son of a bitch!
 
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Positive match. No question.

So why is he carrying an 'assault rifle' as he poses next to the charred remains of one of the Americans he burned alive? In case of survivors?


M14 is a battle rifle......full size infantry rifle round.

Assault rifle.....full auto, intermediate cartridge, mag fed

STG 44 was the first to complete the trilogy.

Full auto, mag fed and instead of using a pistol cartridge they shortened the case on the standard infantry round 8mm Kurz.

Retard should know this.
 
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M14 is a battle rifle......full size infantry rifle round.

Assault rifle.....full auto, intermediate cartridge, mag fed

STG 44 was the first to complete the trilogy.

Full auto, mag fed and instead of using a pistol cartridge they shortened the case on the standard infantry round 8mm Kurz.

Retard should know this.
So, any idea if the ATF was issuing M14s to walk around Waco next to other guys in heavy metal t shirts and no ID? Seems like a clue here.
 
To be clear the bet is if David Chipman is in the photo labeled USAWDTX 093-01048?

What would satisfy the burden of proof for you?

Honestly I'm with Choid on this one. Who gives a fuck about that?

His questioning needs to focus on plenty of other things that are far more easily provable and even more harmful to us NOW.

Jesus fucking Christ, start thinking strategically...........no wonder we are where we are.
 
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I figure he is as good as confirmed, but is there anything we can do? Seems like everyday the news is worse than the day before. I emailed my senators even though they don’t give two shits about what I want, much less return any correspondence over the last decade that I’ve been contacting them on issues. If it’s a simple majority for confirmation, this is a done deal I suppose.
 
So, any idea if the ATF was issuing M14s to walk around Waco next to other guys in heavy metal t shirts and no ID? Seems like a clue here.

Oh God. This fuckstain again.

Im certain ATF has M14s and at that point in time they would be likely to be encountered while a large frame AR probably wouldnt.

As far as the Harley shirts and shit "Yahoo its a BBQ?" seems to have been the attitude.

Amazing how some things have gotten better while others have gone bad.

I was looking at some images of Marines shooting in "Sniper school" Vietnam with M70s as well Super squad Marines participating in an event in Britain.....

amazing how their prone positions were so accepting of shit we would laugh at today.

The science of shooting and equipment has progressed immensely in the ten years since Ive gotten back into it and the knowledge/tech at the time of Waco wsnt much progressed beyond WWII doctrine.
 
Honestly I'm with Choid on this one. Who gives a fuck about that?

His questioning needs to focus on plenty of other things that are far more easily provable and even more harmful to us NOW.

Jesus fucking Christ, start thinking strategically...........no wonder we are where we are.

I'd like to see a junior Congress Critter ask him "is this is you in this picture" and hold up a 2 ft x 4 ft picture.
 
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I'd like to see a junior Congress Critter ask him "is this is you in this picture" and hold up a 2 ft x 4 ft picture.


They asked him about the picture.

He said it wasnt him.

He claims he was an impartial investigator after the fact because he was not on scene during the event.