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PSA: ALWAYS have AT LEAST several months to a year of nonperishables stocked at ANYTIME. Chaos and incompetence in Xi'an, China as lockdown continues.

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    LEVEL 1: Grains, dried noodles, pasta, rice, flour, other grain products. Essential medications.
    LEVEL 2: Canned and bottled goods. Canned condiments, fish, sauces, etc.,
    LEVEL 3: Household sanitary and hygienic supplies.

    NOBODY should be living ANYWHERE in the world without the minimum of at least several months to a year's worth of these supplies stocked, properly rotated if need be, and stored in conditions essential for long term preservation. It is of course, not a big deal for people who live on large properties and farms. However, even in the TINIEST of dwellings in large urban areas, stocking up to several months to a year's worth of essentials is still possible. I've helped MANY urban residents set up their stocks before and there is no reason why anybody should be living day to day in terms of essentials.

    Collapsible plastic storage totes and file cabinets are available for incredibly cheap prices in most dollar stores. Some are quite large, with compartments and drawers on both ends for easy access. Others are also stackable, allowing you to place up to 3-4 identical totes on top of each other up to an average adult human height safely. Even in the tiniest of urban apartments, there is PLENTY of space to set up at least 2-3 of such storage stacks. First, clean up all and any shit you are not using or is not relevant to your living situation. It doesn't hurt to embrace some minimalism. Your life and health and the lives and health of your loved ones are at stake here so if you cannot make some lifestyle changes in order to ensure your long term well being, you are either a dumbass or a piece of shit. Set aside a room corner and hallway/walkway niche, as many as you reasonably need and use these, providing that the assembled racks will be out of the way and not present a safety hazard to children, pets, etc. Once situated in corners, you will be surprised at just how translucent and stackable plastic storage can practically blend into ANYWHERE and not affect it's atmosphere or appearance one bit, not to mention incredibly spacious and efficient.

    The nightmare presented in this thread can happen ANYWHERE, because incompetent and tyrannical policies know NO discrimination based on any culture or country, as events in Australia and even right here in the USA have shown. If the time comes that you find yourself needing to panic buy because a supply chain disaster or lockdown is coming, you are already FUCKED. If you still harbor even a remote specter of pathetic self-soothing that "it's okay, in the end the government will find a way to help us", you are DOUBLEPLUS FUCKED. If the past two years still has not shaken you out of any complacency that you may have harbored prior to 2020, you are also beyond saving.

    Also, know the basics surrounding anything that you may need or rely upon in daily usage. For example, 8oz butane cartridges used in tabletop stoves are almost EXCLUSIVELY made in South Korea. So if you are a restaurant owner or anyone else who use a considerable quantity of 8oz cartridges on a normal basis, what does that mean if there is a major issue with shipping lines looming ahead? Figure it out, it ain't rocket science.



    The oldest city in Chinese history, with over 4,500 years of records as the imperial capital for numerous dynasties as well as a central hub on the Silk Road trade route, faces a draconian and unprecedented lockdown as COVID-19 came back with a vengeance:

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    Xi'an residents are required to submit to mass testing as positive cases are taken into quarantine facilities. This has become less about the actual illness but an attempt by the Chinese government to save face as it desperately tries to show the world that only they had been able to "end" the epidemic. As a result of the sudden measures, residents were not even left with a contingency plan for continued sustenance as the lockdown shows no signs of lifting.

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    CHAOS, CONFUSION, AND INCOMPETENCE AS XI'AN CONTINUES DRACONIAN LOCKDOWN IN THE WAKE OF THE LARGEST OUTBREAK OF COVID SINCE WUHAN 2020: As China prepares to host the 2022 Winter Olympics, it's drastic and wholly incompetent "zero COVID" policies plunge cities into chaos as residents scramble to find resources to sustain themselves. Xi'an, a prefecture level city containing over twice the population of metropolitan New York, was placed into a state of total lockdown almost 2.5 weeks ago as thousands of COVID cases threaten to challenge China's reputation of having "conquered the epidemic" in the previous year.

    Initially, residents were allowed to leave their apartments for 2 hours a day to purchase essentials. However, this was expanded into a total lockdown where no one is allowed to exit their homes except during rounds of mass testing.

    Residents took to social media to report critical shortages of food as groceries ran out. In response, soldiers from the regional People's Liberation Army garrisons were called in to assist in bringing resupply caches to homes, but so far, residents have still been reporting the deliveries as shoddy, uncoordinated, and not exactly reliable.

    Any drivers caught on the roads faced stiff fines.

    At least 2 unborn babies have died due to their mothers being denied entry into hospitals due to stringent "zero COVID" policies which require all patients and staff to present a negative COVID test. One mother was forced to wait outside pending her test result even as her condition progressed rapidly downward. When she began bleeding down her legs and staff finally wheeled her into surgery, it was too late to save the infant. The second infant died under similar circumstances.

    Thousands of people who had tested positive for COVID or have been determined to be close contacts of positive cases had been told to leave their homes and taken by buses to quarantine facilities. Quarantined individuals have posted on Weibo, China's equivalent of Twitter, that the facilities were "cold", and sometimes "lacked even basic necessities and food".
     
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    Food is a worry, but not how you think. When you are discovered to have it, and the masses do not, the hungry mobs will destroy anything to get a meal.

    You don’t have enough ammo, meds, fuel or people to hold them off.

    ID a safe place to sit it out now, stockpile as discussed above, and be prepared for the complete meltdown.

    Read the books by Jason Ross in the Black Autumn series.

    And the “government” ain’t coming.

    It’s all self rescue.

    Even for those people in China.
     
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    You should already know who is in your AO and what you need to do.
    Food is a worry, but not how you think. When you are discovered to have it, and the masses do not, the hungry mobs will destroy anything to get a meal.

    You don’t have enough ammo, meds, fuel or people to hold them off.

    ID a safe place to sit it out now, stockpile as discussed above, and be prepared for the complete meltdown.

    Read the books by Jason Ross in the Black Autumn series.

    And the “government” ain’t coming.

    It all self rescue.

    Even for those people in China.
    A fallback location.
    A few like minded friends
    BBB
    The right mindset
     
    The problem is people outside of my AO have vehicles that put them in my AO when they bug out. Seattle an Portland are both within a tank of gas, and ALL of those assholes who sneak out before the highways become parking lots will arrive between me, Spokane, or Pendleton.

    There are going to be more f’ing people in my AO than there are now. And 95% of them will arrive unprepared, or clueless to the real situation or both.

    And it’s trite to say shoot a few in your front yard and the others will stay away. But it ain’t true. Once they get used to people dying, they’ll do anything to remain living.

    And this is America. It’s safe to assume there will be plenty of assholes with guns and ammo. Probably a box or two of ammo, but 100 assholes with 50 rounds each becomes a problem real fast.

    Stockpile antiseptics, anti diarrhea, anti-inflammatory, antibiotics. Eventually, hygiene and injury will rule the battle space, and the unprepared will die from infection or disease before the food runs out. Clorox, hydrogen peroxide and rubbing alcohol are cheap, have a long shelf life, and are useful in many ways. White Vinegar? Get some.

    Shit show doesn’t even scratch the surface of what happens to the unprepared if the ballon goes up.
     
    The problem is people outside of my AO have vehicles that put them in my AO when they bug out. Seattle an Portland are both within a tank of gas, and ALL of those assholes who sneak out before the highways become parking lots will arrive between me, Spokane, or Pendleton.

    There are going to be more f’ing people in my AO than there are now. And 95% of them will arrive unprepared, or clueless to the real situation or both.

    And it’s trite to say shoot a few in your front yard and the others will stay away. But it ain’t true. Once they get used to people dying, they’ll do anything to remain living.

    And this is America. It’s safe to assume there will be plenty of assholes with guns and ammo. Probably a box or two of ammo, but 100 assholes with 50 rounds each becomes a problem real fast.

    Stockpile antiseptics, anti diarrhea, anti-inflammatory, antibiotics. Eventually, hygiene and injury will rule the battle space, and the unprepared will die from infection or disease before the food runs out. Clorox, hydrogen peroxide and rubbing alcohol are cheap, have a long shelf life, and are useful in many ways. White Vinegar? Get some.

    Shit show doesn’t even scratch the surface of what happens to the unprepared if the ballon goes up.
    At 72 I figure Ill jsut kill people until they kill me. Then Ill be dead and with Jeezus and theyll still be fighting over scraps.

    Fuck this world, In my years here Ive not found anything worth eating shit for.
     
    Sounds ideal to me, but that scotch has to go. Bourbon whiskey, now we're talkin! Mac:cool:
    Oddly enough the Scotch and garlic butter is fine by me, but the fish, clams and crabs have to go. I do prefer Bourbon or Rye, but Scotch is fine by me
     
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    I just store Ammo and take from the hippie liberals
    I gotta tell ya...of the people I know here locally? The Leftist/Hippies/Libtards have the ammo and weapons as well as anyone else. Don't kid yerself into thinking all these people are sheep. Store some food and hygiene stuff. Taking it from hippies, at least here where I live, will be no cake walk.

    VooDoo
     
    My fall back position, and my retirement home. The nearest neighbor is my wife's sister across the road. The next nearest is a mile and a half down the road.

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    Geographically in a similar position with clear fields of fire in all directions and we do own backhoes. Last place to be when the SHTF is in an urban or surburban environment. The spillout from the urban areas will quickly overrun surrounding areas in a freefall. I am one with Maggot on his chain of thought.
     
    Everything the OP listed in perishable. Non-perishables are things like blankets, portable shelters, cold weather gear, tools, weapons, lubricants, and other hardware. All foods are perishable, regardless of how stored.
    Storage of food, should be in orders of longevity, 1. immediately usable/usage, 2. store bought canned or dried, in orginal packages, 3. frozen if able to supply fuel and power to keep frozen, otherwise reduce to tier 1, 4. Self vacuum sealed dry foods, and foods in self-NTG gassed 5 gallon containers (2-5 years), 5. Freeze dried, and vacuum sealed by manufacturer (bags up to 5 years), 6. Freeze dried, and NTG vacuum sealed by manufacturer (canned, up to 20 years). Self canned foods 1-3 years(max).
    Production of food should be with an eye to rapidity of growth, ease of management, minimum of work, maximum of nutrition, especially proteins.
    Power production is critical. Silent production such as water wheel, solar or wind turbines will still attract others. Noisy production, has a finite limit and requires constant fiddling to keep up, plus ever expanding circle of foraging for fuel. Feeling smug because one has a 10KW Generac fired on a thousand gallon propane tank, is a false sense of security, when pirates are attracted to the sound of a generator.
    Moving water can supply a household and garden, if used in conjunction with a Water Ram (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_ram), that allows for moving water to a higher level, for storage.
    Training, includes not just the apparent (patrolling, foraging, hunting, etc) but also canning, gardening, clothes-making, putting up food for storage, an entire list of things, that most simply cannot do nor are willing to learn.
    The person who plans on marauding for his livelyhood, will have a short life indeed. Certainly not long enough to get good at it.
     
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    The person who plans on marauding for his livelyhood, will have a short life indeed. Certainly not long enough to get good at it. [snip with apologies]
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    Gird yer loins and buckle up. What's coming is not gonna be a cake walk of just foraging and snatching what you need from folks who can't stop you. In the short term there's gonna be millions who have not eaten in a couple days and it won't matter how much ammunition you have or how much of a badass you are/have been.

    Gonna need resources and food, water, medical, hygiene stuff along with shelter and help is gonna be more critical than ammunitions' and attitude.

    VooDoo
     
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    Everything the OP listed in perishable. Non-perishables are things like blankets, portable shelters, cold weather gear, tools, weapons, lubricants, and other hardware. All foods are perishable, regardless of how stored.
    Storage of food, should be in orders of longevity, 1. immediately usable/usage, 2. store bought canned or dried, in orginal packages, 3. frozen if able to supply fuel and power to keep frozen, otherwise reduce to tier 1, 4. Self vacuum sealed dry foods, and foods in self-NTG gassed 5 gallon containers (2-5 years), 5. Freeze dried, and vacuum sealed by manufacturer (bags up to 5 years), 6. Freeze dried, and NTG vacuum sealed by manufacturer (canned, up to 20 years). Self canned foods 1-3 years(max).
    Production of food should be with an eye to rapidity of growth, ease of management, minimum of work, maximum of nutrition, especially proteins.
    Power production is critical. Silent production such as water wheel, solar or wind turbines will still attract others. Noisy production, has a finite limit and requires constant fiddling to keep up, plus ever expanding circle of foraging for fuel. Feeling smug because one has a 10KW Generac fired on a thousand gallon propane tank, is a false sense of security, when pirates are attracted to the sound of a generator.
    Moving water can supply a household and garden, if used in conjunction with a Water Ram (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_ram), that allows for moving water to a higher level, for storage.
    Training, includes not just the apparent (patrolling, foraging, hunting, etc) but also canning, gardening, clothes-making, putting up food for storage, an entire list of things, that most simply cannot do nor are willing to learn.
    The person who plans on marauding for his livelyhood, will have a short life indeed. Certainly not long enough to get good at it.


    You got great points there man... The items I listed are for intermediate bugouts, as these items do have shelf lives exceeding the periods of madness that we have seen so far in Wuhan 2 years ago and then other cities in Europe and Australia afterward. They are for temporarily supplanting fresh vegetables, meats, and fruits if these items could not be procured due to a widespread supply chain issue ie., labor strikes, lockdowns, etc...

    For a long term bugout with potentially medieval/apocalyptic conditions outside, that will require an almost wholly new set of mentality and skills. Being socially adept and able to lead and provide for the safety of a small group of potential allies is one of them. Being a lone wolf will be pretty much a death sentence during such a situation. Speaking of such, Kazakhstan is rapidly approaching this level. Any person with a brain worth beans over there should be getting a fucking AK-74 and mags right now, as well as pistols, grenades, whatever, by any means necessary. Just because the fighting has not reached YOUR town doesn't mean it won't, and it doesn't mean that your local police/military garrison won't go batshit and suddenly decide to exterminate all military aged males in your area because they are afraid that you and your fellow neighbors might do them in, so they decided to do a preemptive strike.
     
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    Everything the OP listed in perishable. Non-perishables are things like blankets, portable shelters, cold weather gear, tools, weapons, lubricants, and other hardware. All foods are perishable, regardless of how stored.
    Storage of food, should be in orders of longevity, 1. immediately usable/usage, 2. store bought canned or dried, in orginal packages, 3. frozen if able to supply fuel and power to keep frozen, otherwise reduce to tier 1, 4. Self vacuum sealed dry foods, and foods in self-NTG gassed 5 gallon containers (2-5 years), 5. Freeze dried, and vacuum sealed by manufacturer (bags up to 5 years), 6. Freeze dried, and NTG vacuum sealed by manufacturer (canned, up to 20 years). Self canned foods 1-3 years(max).
    Production of food should be with an eye to rapidity of growth, ease of management, minimum of work, maximum of nutrition, especially proteins.
    Power production is critical. Silent production such as water wheel, solar or wind turbines will still attract others. Noisy production, has a finite limit and requires constant fiddling to keep up, plus ever expanding circle of foraging for fuel. Feeling smug because one has a 10KW Generac fired on a thousand gallon propane tank, is a false sense of security, when pirates are attracted to the sound of a generator.
    Moving water can supply a household and garden, if used in conjunction with a Water Ram (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_ram), that allows for moving water to a higher level, for storage.
    Training, includes not just the apparent (patrolling, foraging, hunting, etc) but also canning, gardening, clothes-making, putting up food for storage, an entire list of things, that most simply cannot do nor are willing to learn.
    The person who plans on marauding for his livelyhood, will have a short life indeed. Certainly not long enough to get good at it.
    Yes everything in the OP is perishable but they will last longer than you say.

    Rice, beans, flour, salt, sugar, pasta, etc will last for an extremely long time stored in sealed buckets with desiccant packs and oxygen absorbers and out of the light. 10-20 years it will hold nutritional value. Buying a small dehydrator is another great way to store long term but don’t over look the easy way of stocking away food in buckets.

    Self canned foods can also last much longer than 1-3 years depending on how and what is stored.

    Too add to this, you can’t ever expect to store enough food to sustain you/your family/group indefinitely. Seeds are another great thing to keep in hand. 18 mo worth of food would give you plenty of time to get seeds in the ground and begin to harvest.
     
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    Yes everything in the OP is perishable but they will last longer than you say.

    Rice, beans, flour, salt, sugar, pasta, etc will last for an extremely long time stored in sealed buckets with desiccant packs and oxygen absorbers and out of the light. 10-20 years it will hold nutritional value. Buying a small dehydrator is another great way to store long term but don’t over look the easy way of stocking away food in buckets.

    Self canned foods can also last much longer than 1-3 years depending on how and what is stored.

    Too add to this, you can’t ever expect to store enough food to sustain you/your family/group indefinitely. Seeds are another great thing to keep in hand. 18 mo worth of food would give you plenty of time to get seeds in the ground and begin to harvest.
    there are reports of canned food found from british artic expeditions that was still eatable 100yrs later, canned food from westward expansion the same. Canned food, if not exposed to rapid temp changes and denting will last years upon years after their expiration dates.

    of all the canned foods, canned soup is the best for shtf situation due to water composition but one should have a lot more than that
     
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    i always laugh when i hear folks say they're bugging out for the mountains. I'm like, you hunt there for a week every year and don't see shit. What's going to happen when a few thousand converge on them. They'll be eating well within a few days of hunger alright, just won't be "wild" game.
     
    I gotta tell ya...of the people I know here locally? The Leftist/Hippies/Libtards have the ammo and weapons as well as anyone else. Don't kid yerself into thinking all these people are sheep. Store some food and hygiene stuff. Taking it from hippies, at least here where I live, will be no cake walk.

    VooDoo
    Several have hit on this topic. The left has been training.
     
    there are reports of canned food found from british artic expeditions that was still eatable 100yrs later, canned food from westward expansion the same. Canned food, if not exposed to rapid temp changes and denting will last years upon years after their expiration dates.

    of all the canned foods, canned soup is the best for shtf situation due to water composition but one should have a lot more than that
    they've found oats in the pyramids that they figure are 2000 yrs old that still sprout when planted. Oats are a great item to have, u can eat them and grind them up for flour. I actually use some oat flour in the winter in homemade cinnamin rolls i make
     
    i always laugh when i hear folks say they're bugging out for the mountains. I'm like, you hunt there for a week every year and don't see shit. What's going to happen when a few thousand converge on them. They'll be eating well within a few days of hunger alright, just won't be "wild" game.
    This☝🏻
    remember limits on fish and game came in to being after the depression because everybody tried to “live off the land” at the same time….. nearly wiped out the deer in this country……
     
    Tis better to find long pig recipes than to diminish game stocks. Its a twofer: they ain’t coming to kill you, if they are on the bbq.