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Am I being unreasonable here?

This is why I have a hard time mailing rifle parts to a gunsmith. I used to work for ups, and have seen first hand what people's packages go through. I've seen a lot of people on here get condemned for not wanting to ship rifle parts. But a lot of you wouldn't either if you've seen what packages go through. Especially between Thanksgiving and Christmas.
 
the seller made an offer to refund 100% if the buyer sent it back. buyer chose to send it back to the manufacture. seller is free and clear at this point. IMO.

package must still be in the facility somewhere because i'm almost positive they're scanned before being put on a truck. receipt should have tracking number as well. packages just don't disappear into thin air.
I didn't say anything about the seller.

The package has been gone since Dec 23. The counter person never scanned it, no one in the back scanned it. They looked through the facility and said it was not there. It either is hidden well, or walked its self out the door. While they looked for it, they left me unattended with a bunch of drop off packages. I can definitely see how it could have walked out the door with someone else legs.
 
If you have ever tried to deal with "insurance" from any of the big 3 shippers (USPS, UPS, FedEx) you may see why the barrel maker didn't pay for "insurance". It is VERY difficult to get any of the shipping companies I mentioned to pay a claim. I am speaking from personal experiences.
I have shipped many things, payed insurance, and had pay outs from UPS and USPS when items were lost.
 
Maker has no idea what was done after barrel left their hands. Could have been threaded afterward.
It’s just gone. Blame UPS and bad luck. No one else.
Neither here nor there, they didn't insure it therefore the maximum pay out is 100 dollars. Even if the original seller was lying about who threaded it. I am still out the money because the package was not insured.
 
It's time to call Judge Judy.

OP, here's a pro tip.

ANYTIME a package gets dropped off for shipping using any of the big shippers you will get a RECEIPT WITH A TRACKING NUMBER ON IT.

From your post you said it wasn't scanned and just disappeared.
I have never once received a receipt when dropping off a package with a pre paid label.
 
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I didn't say anything about the seller.

The package has been gone since Dec 23. The counter person never scanned it, no one in the back scanned it. They looked through the facility and said it was not there. It either is hidden well, or walked its self out the door. While they looked for it, they left me unattended with a bunch of drop off packages. I can definitely see how it could have walked out the door with someone else legs.
It is possible and I'll throw it out there....with out being scanned either...is the label got torn off the package. So then they will have no computer/scanned record for it.

This is why I tell customers when shipping an action or rifle to us or a barrel for recontour whatever....make sure you put a note inside the package with all address information etc...

For one if the label gets torn off and they (UPS or Fedex) would open it up there is back up information there and hopefully it gets returned the original owner or sent to where it was suppose to be going.

If the label is torn off and nothing inside of the package amongst other things the package goes to a warehouse...and from what I remember every few months they hold a general auction. You bid on what is in the cage etc...as a whole...you have the winning bid you get what is all inside the cage. Had a guy call up because one of things he got inside the cage was a barrel. Had our stamping info on the barrel. He asked me if I could tell him what it is. I looked up the s/n and gave him all the details on the barrel. It was a totally finished/drop in AR15 barrel. His winning bid for the stuff in the cage was only $200. The barrel alone was worth almost $400.

When I looked up the s/n I was able to pin down who we shipped the barrel too. Sure enough it was for a customer that we filed a claim on like 14 months previous to this guy calling me. In that case we got paid for the claim.
 
It is possible and I'll throw it out there....with out being scanned either...is the label got torn off the package. So then they will have no computer/scanned record for it.

This is why I tell customers when shipping an action or rifle to us or a barrel for recontour whatever....make sure you put a note inside the package with all address information etc...

For one if the label gets torn off and they (UPS or Fedex) would open it up there is back up information there and hopefully it gets returned the original owner or sent to where it was suppose to be going.

If the label is torn off and nothing inside of the package amongst other things the package goes to a warehouse...and from what I remember every few months they hold a general auction. You bid on what is in the cage etc...as a whole...you have the winning bid you get what is all inside the cage. Had a guy call up because one of things he got inside the cage was a barrel. Had our stamping info on the barrel. He asked me if I could tell him what it is. I looked up the s/n and gave him all the details on the barrel. It was a totally finished/drop in AR15 barrel. His winning bid for the stuff in the cage was only $200. The barrel alone was worth almost $400.

When I looked up the s/n I was able to pin down who we shipped the barrel too. Sure enough it was for a customer that we filed a claim on like 14 months previous to this guy calling me. In that case we got paid for the claim.
It was fully taped on with packaging tape, as in tape was wrapped all the way around the tube with the barrel in it completely encasing the label. It pretty much would have had to be cut out. I would say there is very very small chance the label could have been torn off.

Even if so, the counter person should have scanned it before she took it to the back.{Which I guess dent matter, if it lost its lost either way} I almost stopped on the way out and said, please scan that because that usually the first thing they do and I found it odd, but she was busy with the lady at the counter and I didn't want to be a bother. I can't really see scenario where the counter person wasn't either in on stealing it. Or left it unattended in the front and the next person walked out with it.

The next guy who walked in is a known dirt bag, and it was pretty tough for them to stick with. "You weren't here." When I told them what time i dropped it off, and who the next guy shipping a package was.
 
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It is possible and I'll throw it out there....with out being scanned either...is the label got torn off the package. So then they will have no computer/scanned record for it.

This is why I tell customers when shipping an action or rifle to us or a barrel for recontour whatever....make sure you put a note inside the package with all address information etc...
I always tape over labels completely. I am convinced this has saved me a ton in loss. I pack like it will go out a second story window on to concrete. Lots of tape.

Also on high value packages I put two labels, one on top and a backup on the bottom. This also helps thwart “inside theft” where someone slaps a label over yours to redirect the package.

With UPS, if it is something I really care about, I insure for over $1000 even if I know I’ll never get that. This creates chain of custody paperwork that follows the package all the way to delivery. The chances of loss go down dramatically.

Finally I take lots of pictures these days and set up notifications for anything important.

If someone sends a label, I photograph the label and put out a sheet of paper for my driver to sign. He is also on video picking it up, which I save.
 
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It was fully taped on with packaging tape, as in tape was wrapped all the way around the tube with the barrel in it completely encasing the label. It pretty much would have had to be cut out. I would say there is very very small chance the label could have been torn off.

Even if so, the counter person should have scanned it before she took it to the back.{Which I guess dent matter, if it lost its lost either way} I almost stopped on the way out and said, please scan that because that usually the first thing they do and I found it odd, but she was busy with the lady at the counter and I didn't want to be a bother. I can't really see scenario where the counter person wasn't either in on stealing it. Or left it unattended in the front and the next person walked out with it.

The next guy who walked in is a known dirt bag, and it was pretty tough for them to stick with. "You weren't here." When I told them what time i dropped it off, and who the next guy shipping a package was.
Was this a UPS Store?
 
It is possible and I'll throw it out there....with out being scanned either...is the label got torn off the package. So then they will have no computer/scanned record for it.

This is why I tell customers when shipping an action or rifle to us or a barrel for recontour whatever....make sure you put a note inside the package with all address information etc...

For one if the label gets torn off and they (UPS or Fedex) would open it up there is back up information there and hopefully it gets returned the original owner or sent to where it was suppose to be going.

If the label is torn off and nothing inside of the package amongst other things the package goes to a warehouse...and from what I remember every few months they hold a general auction. You bid on what is in the cage etc...as a whole...you have the winning bid you get what is all inside the cage. Had a guy call up because one of things he got inside the cage was a barrel. Had our stamping info on the barrel. He asked me if I could tell him what it is. I looked up the s/n and gave him all the details on the barrel. It was a totally finished/drop in AR15 barrel. His winning bid for the stuff in the cage was only $200. The barrel alone was worth almost $400.

When I looked up the s/n I was able to pin down who we shipped the barrel too. Sure enough it was for a customer that we filed a claim on like 14 months previous to this guy calling me. In that case we got paid for the claim.

When we used to use UPS (before we got sick and fed up with them smashing very expensive computers & refusing to pay), one thing we did is we had a stamp made with our UPS account number on it and we'd stamp the boxes a few times with it.

We actually got some expensive boxes found and sent back to us that way when the labels had gotten totally ripped off.
 
being devils advocate,

from the barrel mfg company they dont even know if you put a barrel in the box, and if you did..is it their barrel

being a business owner and consumer is see both sides

secondly, this is why companies have lawyers write up a purchase order contract template and dont just put a product on a print out from quickbooks.

if there was fine print in place there is no debate, now there is no fine print and even though your both acting in good faith there is still debate.

my company has all the "fine print" you can imagine on contracts so this debate never shows up, because it has

when it gets down to it...its burden of proof on your part

no proof its a pissing match...proof...lawsuit (of course not for this small amount etc)

this is one reason why people hate lawyers, lawyers are "dragged" in and now they would piss off you the customer or the MFG.


truthfully, i think if cool heads prevail you might get another 100$ or so off the barrel or maybe "free" muzz threading

he has to cover his material costs, but he can stay on saturday and run a lathe "for free"
UPS doesn't know what was in the package either. They pay out for the insurance value.

There is no doubt who's barrel it is. They were easily able to look up the barrel I bought directly from them by my name. I gave them the name of the person who purchased it. So, they know if it was threaded by them or not. Either way the money lost is because it was not insured.

If he ran the lathe right the first time, it wouldn't have had to go back. Its not my fault he screwed up the barrel, and its not my fault he didn't insure the barrel, or ask for more info before sending me a label.

Now if the seller is lying about who threaded it, we have a different story all together.
 
I purchased a Remage barrel from another member. It was built by a fairly well known maker. I get the barrel in, throw it in my vice and start to thread on a QD for a suppressor and the threads are loose. So I pull it and mic it. .612 is the major diameter, well undersized to the point of being not safe for a 5/8x24.

I PM the other member, they say all work was done by the barrel maker. Send it back to me and I will refund you.

I say, let me contact the maker and see if they will fix it. I email them about it with the measurements, and they send me a shipping label. I package it up, slap their label on it, and take it to UPS. Then the package disappears, no one ever scans the thing anywhere.

I contact UPS, and go to the facility and talk to the manager, and the person whom's hands I literally put the package in. They say, we don't know how it could have happened, are you sure you didn't drop it off somewhere else? You will have to call the 800 number and file a claim. I am like what fucking year is this, where are the cameras to see me walking in, and whomever walking out with my package?

I call and UPS says, nope not your label, not your account, you can't start a claim.

So, I email the barrel maker and they ask for the name on the order to get a value for the claim. then they start the claim. Yesterday UPS agreed to pay on the claim. The value of the package claimed by the maker is 420 dollars, the pay out from UPS is 100 dollars, which happens to be the max amount they pay on uninsured packages.

So the barrel maker emailed me to say, here is your hundred bucks. Where do we send it?

I told them no, it was lost on your label, it was shipped because of your faulty workmanship. You keep the 100 dollars and send me barrel like I sent in. Only with correct muzzle threading.

They tell me we don't know who purchased the barrel, and we don't know if the muzzle was threaded here, so we will allow you to apply that 100 to a new barrel. So that is a new barrel for -100 dollars plus the cost of the used barrel, that was lost on their label, uninsured, and is only being payed out for 100 bucks because they didn't insure the package. So I would then be into a 492 dollar barrel for 592 dollars.

Is it unreasonable of me to expect the owner of the un-insured label and the maker of the barrel to bear the cost of the barrel being lost. It seems to me they gambled with my money to save a dime, and now want to push the cost off any losses on me.

Am I being unreasonable or otherwise entitled? I don't have or make much money anymore, so I could be over sensitive when I feel someone is unfairly pulling form my cup. What do think a fair resolution would be? I could definelty see some out of pocket coast to me to go from a used barrel {less than 200 rounds} to a new barrel, but not to the point where it costs me more than a new barrel. Unless of course, I was the who shipped it uninsured, at which point it would have been my baby.
I always, always, always ask for a receipt when I drop something off at UPS. I also tend to "throw away" a lot of money on insurance when I'm paying the freight bill.......
 
Redacted. Just saw you last post.

Always insure. Don’t rely on them to send an insured label, buy it yourself. I think there are like 210 million packages a year stolen.
 
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It is good policy to get a receipt. Part of best practices to protect yourself.

Having said that, scanning it in and giving the customer a receipt is UPS’s job not the customer’s. They screwed that up.

As I have said before, it appears that the receipt is really mute. We are well pass the point of “did it ship or not?” Yes, UPS has accepted that it did indeed ship. They have accepted blame and paid the claim. The problem is it was not insured for enough to cover the loss. (Don’t even get me started on having to pay extra to insure against their screwups)

Receipt or no, that would not have changed the payout or the barrel-makers response. UPS would not pay for a package they thought might never had been sent.

I suspect that UPS sees an initial scan or something not visible on public tracking. There is other information they can see that we the consumers cannot. They know this package was accepted by them.
 
I have never once received a receipt when dropping off a package with a pre paid label.
I have shipped a LOT of packages, ammo ie; heavy and expensive ie; rifles. Always prepaid labels I print and ALWAYS ask/get a drop off receipt. UPS now has a document you have to print out 2 copies, one for you and one for them to tape to the insured package. I think the threshold is $1k but they lock it up in a chain link holding area. I have had a few double boxed ammo loads break open but that's because the gorilla on the truck is an asshole. My UPS guy says they have tape on the truck to fix holes but some just dont give a shit.
 
Summary of my advice ... from a guy that has spent the last 30 years in the technology customer services business:
  1. Continue to work out of sight to get UPS' $100 refund approved and executed ... keep climbing the management ladder.
  2. Thank the barrel manufacturer for their kind $100 credit offer.
  3. Tell them you'd like to apply that to a replacement barrel that solves the original problems.
  4. Request they reprice the total to represent their "cost of materials" and not their fully loaded "retail price".
  5. Amplify to them how strong an advocate you will be on the shooting forums if they will make that concession for you. Let them know you'll be a "gush on command" reference customer for them and offer to do a "testimonial about their great customer service" on Google and other reference sites.
End of advice ...
 
I always tape over labels completely. I am convinced this has saved me a ton in loss. I pack like it will go out a second story window on to concrete. Lots of tape.

Also on high value packages I put two labels, one on top and a backup on the bottom. This also helps thwart “inside theft” where someone slaps a label over yours to redirect the package.

With UPS, if it is something I really care about, I insure for over $1000 even if I know I’ll never get that. This creates chain of custody paperwork that follows the package all the way to delivery. The chances of loss go down dramatically.

Finally I take lots of pictures these days and set up notifications for anything important.

If someone sends a label, I photograph the label and put out a sheet of paper for my driver to sign. He is also on video picking it up, which I save.
It's pretty sad that it seems like this is what it is all coming too!

The average joe/company etc...has to start doing stuff to protect them from things that is costing us all time and money and it shouldn't have to be that way.
 
Maybe it's just me then...
You and most other people most likely. I was quite surprised how fast UPS paid out on this one. I am sure I was over a year on the other one. Probably the sound of stolen gun parts sounds pretty bad. And is really bad, because if it stolen, now the thief has my address, personal info, and the knowledge that i own guns unless they are total fucking fucktard.
I always, always, always ask for a receipt when I drop something off at UPS. I also tend to "throw away" a lot of money on insurance when I'm paying the freight bill.......
Probably a good idea. As a matter of practice i don't touch UPS around here with a 50ft pole. The only package I have ever felt worse about was dropping an XTRIII at Safeway because it is the only fed ex drop around here. Sat there fro three days on an overnight label, then took like 7 days to ship half way across Colorado. USPS parcel would have had it there in day for 15 bucks.

I agree also as a matter of practice, it is easier to eat the costs lost packages instead of insuring especially on lower cost items. 100 dollar set of rings isn't a 2k scope.
 
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Was this a UPS Store?
No, its a shipping center. The same one we have always had in this town. Different people than 10 years ago when they were mostly you notch.

On the taping labels. Yep, I always always, put at least 1 wrap of tape all the around the package over the label in both directions. Writing an address on the box, and putting something with the address in the box are also really good ideas.
 
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OP,

It my opinion that you fucked yo as soon as you didn’t send it back to the seller when they offered to refund you.
However, once the original manufacturer send you a return label they, in my opinion, take ownership of the situation.

Yes. Technically they could be very suspicious of you sending in the wrong barrel and all that, but with the $100 they got back, they could have just kept and sent out a new barrel at a much more minimal cost to them and like someone said above, would have been some good advertising for them. They can even write that shit off as a “donation” if they wanted and be out nothing but a little time.

Shitty situation all the way around. I wish you luck.
It certainly felt like I was fucking up, but he was straight up about it and offered my money back right away. I said lets see what the maker says, he never gave me any reason to believe he wasn't telling the truth. Plus it would just be me shipping it to him to get fixed, then i would have wanted it again.:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Plus I had double fucked up and ordered 100 new pieces of Lapua brass for it before the barrel had even arrived. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
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As someone who ships packages for a living, my thoughts to this would be the following. If you can provide proof you shipped it, then its on the barrel maker for not insuring the package. If it had been scanned somewhere and then lost, its on the barrel maker. The problem here is you can't prove you actually shipped them a package. You could easily have requested a label, then ship nothing and demand the claim money/new barrel or whatever.

Without some sort of evidence that this wasn't fraud, as the barrel maker I would file the UPS claim and pay the customer whatever UPS pays on it.
 
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Um...I think it's been established the barrel maker filed a claim and they were paid $100 by UPS. The problem is there was no insurance, which IMO is the fault of the barrel maker who provided the shipping label. Doesn't even matter if it was an empty box at this point.

If it were me...if the barrel maker didn't at least give a hefty discount on a new barrel, I would take the $100 and chalk it up, and never EVER buy from that barrel maker.
 
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No, its a shipping center. The same one we have always had in this town. Different people than 10 years ago when they were mostly you notch.

On the taping labels. Yep, I always always, put at least 1 wrap of tape all the around the package over the label in both directions. Writing an address on the box, and putting something with the address in the box are also really good ideas.
The reason I asked is, I used to have a box at a ups store when I first came to Laramie. They are a clusterfuck. One time I grabbed my packages and someone else's was stacked with mine. I got to my truck and opened it before realizing it wasn't mine and took it back inside.

Shipping centers are usually more squared away but not always……
 
UPS insurance, (which is what that 1st $100 they cover for no additional cost is) covers loss or damage. IT DOES NOT COVER FRAUD.

UPS deemed this a credible LOSS, and paid the claim. A de facto admission that they screwed up.

The problem ISN'T FRAUD. ITS LACK OF PROPER LEVEL OF INSURANCE.

IF THE PERSON WHO PURCHASED THE LABEL HAD OPTED FOR THE PROPER LEVEL OF INSURANCE, this thread would not exist…..

I swear……..
 
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As someone who ships packages for a living, my thoughts to this would be the following. If you can provide proof you shipped it, then its on the barrel maker for not insuring the package. If it had been scanned somewhere and then lost, its on the barrel maker. The problem here is you can't prove you actually shipped them a package. You could easily have requested a label, then ship nothing and demand the claim money/new barrel or whatever.

Without some sort of evidence that this wasn't fraud, as the barrel maker I would file the UPS claim and pay the customer whatever UPS pays on it.
So I contacted them about undersized threads on barrel, and know the person who ordered the barrel originally and the specifics, and have the sale thread where I bought it also verifiable through the seller. But I am just scammer looking for a free barrel. Interesting take. Seems more likely to me with the verifiable facts available to all parties on this end. That the package was stolen at the facility where I dropped it off.

In my opinion an attitude like yours where the customer is the enemy is exactly how customer service ends up in the dog house.

What is the name of your company? PTG? :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: I want to make sure I don't order anything from you, but if it's PTG, there are no worries about that. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
Regardless of how much you whine, your out a barrel. From this point on all you can accomplish is to look increasingly foolish.

Cowboy up.
 
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Who cut this barrel!!!???
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You had 2 choices when the issue was discovered. You chose........poorly.
 
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Come on man don't you meme? ITs really easy


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I really didn't though. ITs just a weird situation that doesn't happen often. I trusted that a well known company would take care of a fuck up. Reading it through and talking it out, thinking on it for a day I don't think I was being unreasonable.

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And neither did the owner of the company that made the barrel. I am not sure he was aware of all the information given to the other person whom i was exchanging emails with. He said in the email this morning. With their resolution, I didn't know who bought the barrel originally and didn't know if they threaded it. Which yea, pretty damn fishy if I couldn't come up with a name of the guy i bought it from.

I responded with the name of the guy, and a short respectful synapse of the situation the way I see it. To make sure all parties had all the information and heard both sides of the story. I was checking my email and i have an invoice for a new barrel from them. They keep the hundred. I feel that is fair because that is what I would have done. I own what I ship until it is in the buyers hands.
 
Too many replies to read.

It's super simple, it's UPS' fault. They lost the package. Regardless of insurance, etc. File a police report as a stolen item, stolen by someone at UPS. Let the game begin.


Also, this really does suck for you. It's also fear of mine when shipping anything of value. I'm fearful even with insurance due to all the horror stories of attempting to collect shipping insurance.
 
" I was checking my email and i have an invoice for a new barrel from them. They keep the hundred. I feel that is fair because that is what I would have done. I own what I ship until it is in the buyers hands."

Glad it worked out for you. Sounds like the barrel maker is a very reasonable person
 
I've got to figure out how to bring that shipping company logic into my business??

"yeah- pay us this much and we will ship it for you..... but we're pretty shitty at our job so you need to pay us more so we can fix the issue once we dick things up."

It's probably in their best interest to be incompetent- and have people talk about damaged/lost packages-- because then very few will risk it without buying insurance. $$
 
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This is why I have a hard time mailing rifle parts to a gunsmith. I used to work for ups, and have seen first hand what people's packages go through. I've seen a lot of people on here get condemned for not wanting to ship rifle parts. But a lot of you wouldn't either if you've seen what packages go through.

Exactly this. These days it's not the money, it's the investment in time. I've got all my parts for my 37XC, but I don't want to ship it. Insurance is (almost) not the point - it's the fact that I'd have to wait a year to get the replacements.

I'd fly the parts there on Southwest, but it's only slightly less risky.

Yes, I'm actually considering a 10 hour (each way) drive to deliver the parts, then again to pick up the rifle.
 
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I didn't say anything about the seller.

The package has been gone since Dec 23. The counter person never scanned it, no one in the back scanned it. They looked through the facility and said it was not there. It either is hidden well, or walked its self out the door. While they looked for it, they left me unattended with a bunch of drop off packages. I can definitely see how it could have walked out the door with someone else legs.
i didn't say YOU did. i was replying back to the entire thread which the seller was mentioned several times. good luck on the end result. that UPS facility would've made the 6 o'clock news if i were you. need to get the "long island audit" guy to go in there...
 
I'm going to say the seller of the barrel and you should come up with something for partial reimbursement or split the cost of new barrel plus the 100 bucks from UPS. You were sending the bad barrel he sold you in on HIS behalf.

I see a lot of ways this can go. But the barrel maker was just acting in good faith and surprised you even got a shipping label not being the origonal owner. Sucks your the middle man who is getting the shift now.
Original Owner offered a refund , he did his part .
 
There would have been no point in giving me trouble about buying the barrel used either. I would have just had the original owner e-mail them get the label and e-mail it to me. I am more than happy to share part of the work with someone most of the time. Especially when when the barrel was pretty damn cheap to me, and I have more 6mm bullets than my 6 creed barrel will take I am sure.

Plus the cost of shipping it all over. Na, I have bought a handful of things that needed some fixin. Worth it to me for a good deal.

Just look at some of the guys posting in this thread, they have passion for their products, they want you to have a good experience with it. They don't want you running around with some trash with their name on it. Kind of like a body shop, when you see a nice smooth old car with perfect hood and door lines. That MF that did that work is meticulous, skilled, patient, and wants all his work to look top notch. He still fucks up like everyone else though. Especially when we are busy and tired we do fuck ups that make our boring self say "WTF?!?!?!?"

LOL. I wrote FUCK UPS.
 
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Pertinent point that shouldn't be buried in the bottom of a long post.

They replaced the barrel without being leveraged with any bad publicity.
They replaced the barrel mentioned in original post?

If that’s the case that’s absolutely stand up service on their part. That type of service deserves more business IMO if you care to share the maker
 
I would consider it reasonable service, when a barrel is being shipped by you, because of your fuck up, and gets lost, yes you owe that customer a barrel, not what ever uninsured amount UPS will pay you for your package.

I don't think they would want their name tied to this thread. There are too many posts, and people will continue to pile in and post without reading past the O.P. I am quite surprised this thread had made it this long without going full on dumpster fire. Probably because I was not being unreasonable. I just wanted to make sure I was not totally off the rails in my evaluation of the situation.

Thanks @Frank Green and some of you other guys who own businesses for putting my mind at ease. I was trying to decide whether to let it go, or keep trying after my e-mail to the owner the other morning. I was surprised they reached a resolution with UPS so quickly. Then I was surprised when they offered me the 100, then taken back and even a little insulted when they said I could apply the 100 to the cost of a new barrel. I mean, I know, according to you guys, its my 100 dollars. I could buy sparkles and rainbow stickers with it if I wanted. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

I was in two different e-mail conversations with the company, and the owner replied to me, in the original e-mal, not the exchange i had with the other person taking care of the label and claim and such. I think the owner didn't get that e-mail thread until I told him I had given the info he was missing to the other person already. The original had all three of us in the mix. I suppose it is probably a great lesson, on why you keep communication lines open and respectful. And never assume anyone has the whole story.
 
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We've got packages that were delivered with the dual tire marks from the delivery trucks ran right over them, Fedex is like, tire tracks, nope was there when we picked it up, you must have trucks inside the building with the same tires and spacing as our truck...

Had other stuff delivered where they ran a forklift through the middle of the equipment and were like... what do you mean you have a problem with us making new holes for the forklift to work?
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We got this back from one of our customers, shippers got a bit sporty in handling this item.
It was boxed and well padded and secured in the box.

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For what its worth, in the interest of avoiding issues in the future, every one should look into a block shipping insurance policy from a known insurance underwriter. I carry one with Lloyd's and it covers anything I ship regardless of carrier.
 
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We got this back from one of our customers, shippers got a bit sporty in handling this item.
It was boxed and well padded and secured in the box.

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I received a rifle once that big tears in the box and gouges in the stock that looked like the teeth of a nail bar. I have a friend who said his friends at fed-ex tried to break as many packages as they could. Like they would literally just smash stuff. Stupid fucks, a little epoxy and paint was quicker than fucking with Fed-Ex or anyone about it.

You got some JB weld and long screw driver, you can fix that, Shyyyyyyit. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
For what its worth, in the interest of avoiding issues in the future, every one should look into a block shipping insurance policy from a known insurance underwriter. I carry one with Lloyd's and it covers anything I ship regardless of carrier.
Thats a good idea. For it to have helped in this situation, they would have to cover someone else's package you dropped off.