8208xbr great for the Grendel not so much for the Creed. Pet load for the Grendel is 28.0 with a 120 SMK gave a .279 but i wouldn't stuff it in the Creed. Right now working with a123 Nosler CC but I am using RL17. Tried Varget.....no cigar so that nixed the 8208. Your mileage may vary.