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BREAKING: TX/ABBOT JUST PUT FEDS ON NOTICE!!!!!

It's too bad that the "good folks" don't ever seem to get that through their skulls and just go along with "just follow orders" and "just doing their duty".
I personally hold that those who carry out oppression and evil orders and things are more morally culpable than those giving the orders.
Without a bunch of "just following orders" and "just obeying the law" and "just doing our duty" Hitler would have just been some crazy raving failed painter...

Or take a look at the covid insanity and the brutal oppression and violence and thuggery employed by the "uniform hangers" against anyone marginally thinking for themselves...

Perhaps maybe after this next turning of history, we can hold each uniform hanger who participated personally accountable for their actions and punish each and every one of them and take a stand that "just following orders" will never again be a defense.

Oh who am I kidding, it seems to be embedded in folks to excuse evil done "because I was told to do it".
 
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Stop and really think about what I said and then take your feelings and relationships that may be clouding your judgement out of your thought process. As long as these men carry a gun to defend a criminal state, they are on the opposite side of the people. January 6thers were rounded up nation wide by the feds. Which department stopped this? Had any 6ers defended themselves would your friends go to the aide of them or the fed terrorists? If I went to the border and defended it from the invasion, is it more likely that I get arrested if apprehended or not? If I defended myself from the fed terrorists and survived, would your cop buddies arrest me to fulfill that warrant given the opportunity?

Like it or not, no man carrying a gun or a badge today is worth much regardless of their personal thoughts and opinions as long as they put on that uniform and do the job as they are all part of the same team that wear the same colors. They are postering against real Americans that are at odds with a murderous and thieving gov’t that couldn’t otherwise exist without the violence of it’s police force. They enforce the laws of tyrants. This is reality my man. It sucks.

Edit to add:
I do give props to your buddies that pushed back and got fired. They learned the hard way what their real job description is and that it isn’t to serve and protect the public. Just the opposite. Now your buddies that pushed back and are still employed, seemingly succumbed to the pressure and conformed. Those types are just as dangerous as the ones that are yes men from the start.

If your wife got raped and murdered, and your local law enforcement caught and charged said P.O.S. And that P.O.S. got executed by the state, would that not be them serving you as well as any future victims of the P.O.S. ?

No need to answer. I know the answer, and it is yes.

Your vehicle gets stolen and your local law enforcement recovers it immediately, with no damage to it. And that P.O.S. is captured and charged. Would that not be them serving you?

I know the answer again.

Those scenarios happen every day in this country. Of course there are bad law enforcement officers. But the majority of them are not.
 
Nope, they are just marking time because they know as well as anyone, it just takes one person inside to fuck up the most perfect plan. There is no better place to run your op, than inside your enemy's camp. The gov is full of time markers, and that is one of the reasons shit is dragging on so long. Much like obummer ID'ing and purging the military, LE is trying to ID & purge also.
I understand there are ok guys that do the job. I also don’t believe in the good guy on the inside working for the people. It’s just getting to the point, I’d argue well past it, that the job is bad enough that anyone associated with it deserves every bit of hostility from the public that they get and more. The gov’t is fucked my man. Why would someone carry a gun and defend it from the pissed off public?

I remember during the covid tyranny by cop. I would drive past someone getting a ticket from a road pirate for driving 5 over while trying to go to work. I couldn’t believe a man had the nerve to commit armed robbery for the state, victimizing someone who was already struggling more likely than not. Even the “good” ones didn’t give a fuck. I lost all respect for LEO in 2020. Every bit I had.
 
If your wife got raped and murdered, and your local law enforcement caught and charged said P.O.S. And that P.O.S. got executed by the state, would that not be them serving you as well as any future victims of the P.O.S. ?

No need to answer. I know the answer, and it is yes.

Your vehicle gets stolen and your local law enforcement recovers it immediately, with no damage to it. And that P.O.S. is captured and charged. Would that not be them serving you?

I know the answer again.

Those scenarios happen every day in this country. Of course there are bad law enforcement officers. But the majority of them are not.
What if I caught up to the man that raped my wife and killed the mother fucker and the cops put me in prison for 20 years because of a premeditated “murder”. What then? This happens often as well. I’d argue my example protects the street thug from the decent which only inflates the criminal population among us. Regular folk sit idle out of fear of the gov’ts police. You know it. I know it. I’ve never been victimized by a common thug but I have been robbed, harassed, and threatened by the gov’ts police.

Read up on the small percentage of crimes solved by the police and then compare that number to the people that are actually prosecuted and get back with me.

I’m talking the bigger picture of assisting a murderous criminal organization (gov’t) prey upon the population and ypu are arguing something far more trivial. The street thug isn’t the threat as long as he isn’t protected by the king’s men just as the politician wouldn’t be a dangerous man if it weren’t for the willingness of his police to act out on his behalf.
 
I understand there are ok guys that do the job. I also don’t believe in the good guy on the inside working for the people. It’s just getting to the point, I’d argue well past it, that the job is bad enough that anyone associated with it deserves every bit of hostility from the public that they get and more. The gov’t is fucked my man. Why would someone carry a gun and defend it from the pissed off public?

I remember during the covid tyranny by cop. I would drive past someone getting a ticket from a road pirate for driving 5 over while trying to go to work. I couldn’t believe a man had the nerve to commit armed robbery for the state, victimizing someone who was already struggling more likely than not. Even the “good” ones didn’t give a fuck. I lost all respect for LEO in 2020. Every bit I had.
Where you live might be effecting your train of though based upon so called LE in your A/O. Here ours just laughed about the c19 B/S & said not no, but hell no we are not doing that shit. Then again we are about as bright red as it gets, around here. Could be why the influx is almost out of hand.
 
Where you live might be effecting your train of though based upon so called LE in your A/O. Here ours just laughed about the c19 B/S & said not no, but hell no we are not doing that shit. Then again we are about as bright red as it gets, around here. Could be why the influx is almost out of hand.
We still live in a free state for now. I think it could be the last to go! My observations are same as yours!
 
Where you live might be effecting your train of though based upon so called LE in your A/O. Here ours just laughed about the c19 B/S & said not no, but hell no we are not doing that shit. Then again we are about as bright red as it gets, around here. Could be why the influx is almost out of hand.
.....and during the time not giving C19 corruption the finger, they are doing what?
 
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Where you live might be effecting your train of though based upon so called LE in your A/O. Here ours just laughed about the c19 B/S & said not no, but hell no we are not doing that shit. Then again we are about as bright red as it gets, around here. Could be why the influx is almost out of hand.
Does political affiliation effect the willingness to do versions of the covid enforcement?

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Both of ours did.
Even far removed from these two I knew pastors that wouldn't have service for fear of arrest.

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If they interfered with church services here, I would bank on the out come not working out well for them at all. . Messing w/a Church in this state is only for those, who have a death wish.
 
I understand there are ok guys that do the job. I also don’t believe in the good guy on the inside working for the people. It’s just getting to the point, I’d argue well past it, that the job is bad enough that anyone associated with it deserves every bit of hostility from the public that they get and more. The gov’t is fucked my man. Why would someone carry a gun and defend it from the pissed off public?

I remember during the covid tyranny by cop. I would drive past someone getting a ticket from a road pirate for driving 5 over while trying to go to work. I couldn’t believe a man had the nerve to commit armed robbery for the state, victimizing someone who was already struggling more likely than not. Even the “good” ones didn’t give a fuck. I lost all respect for LEO in 2020. Every bit I had.
You forgot the ones pulling people over to make sure you had a pass to be out during C19. Yes, there was a point in time during that nonsense where people were forced to show their papers. And it happened in red states too.

If they interfered with church services here, I would bank on the out come not working out well for them at all. . Messing w/a Church in this state is only for those, who have a death wish.
Plenty of churches closed down and went to online only services in AL during Covid.
 
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Plenty of churches closed down and went to online only services in AL during Covid.
They went that way do to elders, not LE pressure. Plus the bulk of those that did, were in those 3 areas of this state we could lose, and the rest of us would never shed a tear over. Nor put water on if they were burning to the ground.
 
What if I caught up to the man that raped my wife and killed the mother fucker and the cops put me in prison for 20 years because of a premeditated “murder”. What then? This happens often as well. I’d argue my example protects the street thug from the decent which only inflates the criminal population among us. Regular folk sit idle out of fear of the gov’ts police. You know it. I know it. I’ve never been victimized by a common thug but I have been robbed, harassed, and threatened by the gov’ts police.

Read up on the small percentage of crimes solved by the police and then compare that number to the people that are actually prosecuted and get back with me.

I’m talking the bigger picture of assisting a murderous criminal organization (gov’t) prey upon the population and ypu are arguing something far more trivial. The street thug isn’t the threat as long as he isn’t protected by the king’s men just as the politician wouldn’t be a dangerous man if it weren’t for the willingness of his police to act out on his behalf.
The LEOs I know would hand you your brass, shake your hand, and say well done sir. Putting you in prison for killing someone that needed killing is not right at all. It does happen in the U.S. and even Travis and Harris counties, Texas.

I've never known a one of them to go confiscate any property from a law abiding citizen. We are taxed to death, and I pay a whole lot of taxes myself. I'm in agreement we are tax mules for all levels of government. That's a shit system. Not the fault of the beat Cop. They pay a ton of taxes themselves.
 
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Where you live might be effecting your train of though based upon so called LE in your A/O. Here ours just laughed about the c19 B/S & said not no, but hell no we are not doing that shit. Then again we are about as bright red as it gets, around here. Could be why the influx is almost out of hand.
During the Rona B.S. I was walking into a convenience store/ gas station. I saw a Sheriff deputy patrol car outside. They had the mask signs up, but I ignored them. When I got inside I recognized the deputy. He and I have known each other since we were 10 years old, at the time 30 years ago. We graduated high school together in the same class. Standing about six feet behind him, I said "Josh!" He turned around, shook my hand and asked how the hell are you? Then the next words out of his mouth were "I'm not wearing a damn mask!" I said I wasn't either. Then I looked at the manager of the store and said thank you for not being militant about the masks. They don't work, and lots of us will never wear them. And this Sheriff deputy does not have a law to enforce, because it is not a law. Josh said "nope, it's all B.S."
 
last resort is a lot like jericho in its story line…at least the nuke part. seems like both those shows hit close to home for someone high up.

there another movie trailer about 10 years ago called a gray state about .gov vs civilians in a guerrilla warfare type event. . it never got made but was talked about a lot on arf. trailer looked good
Right at the height of it's popularity the creator decided to kill his family then himself in what can only be said as suspicious circumstances.
 
The LEOs I know would hand you your brass, shake your hand, and say well done sir. Putting you in prison for killing someone that needed killing is not right at all.
Bullshit! If the chief/ sheriff/ DA tells them to do it. They will click their heels, gear up and do as they are told.
Don't pay child support for a child that is not yours because the judge said that you have to and they are going to kick down your door and drag your ass to jail.
You are delusional.
 
During the Rona B.S. I was walking into a convenience store/ gas station. I saw a Sheriff deputy patrol car outside. They had the mask signs up, but I ignored them. When I got inside I recognized the deputy. He and I have known each other since we were 10 years old, at the time 30 years ago. We graduated high school together in the same class. Standing about six feet behind him, I said "Josh!" He turned around, shook my hand and asked how the hell are you? Then the next words out of his mouth were "I'm not wearing a damn mask!" I said I wasn't either. Then I looked at the manager of the store and said thank you for not being militant about the masks. They don't work, and lots of us will never wear them. And this Sheriff deputy does not have a law to enforce, because it is not a law. Josh said "nope, it's all B.S."
And if the manager said that he wanted you out of the store because you were not wearing a mask. Your buddy would arrest you if you refused.
Masks don't work but you were "Social Distancing". Love it!!
 
Bullshit! If the chief/ sheriff/ DA tells them to do it. They will click their heels, gear up and do as they are told.
Don't pay child support for a child that is not yours because the judge said that you have to and they are going to kick down your door and drag your ass to jail.
You are delusional.
Maybe you are the delusional one. Don't you live in New York state?

This is a Texas discussion.
 
And if the manager said that he wanted you out of the store because you were not wearing a mask. Your buddy would arrest you if you refused.
Masks don't work but you were "Social Distancing". Love it!!

If the manager tells me to leave, I leave. I can't be arrested for that.

Every Cop I know also told me to ignore a 30.06 sign which is "No Concealed Carry". They also said if I was discovered carrying to just leave, and it's over.

Then, Texas passed legislation that us "a defense to prosecution" for unlawful carry in a 30.06 posted establishment the offender immediately leaves after being asked to. Then there is no criminal trespass applied. Basically that made the 30.06 sign null and void. But the liberal gun haters are too dumb to realize is.
 
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Chip McCormick died suddenly in July of '21,

What happens when women aren’t given boundaries and don’t stay in their gender role
 
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The LEOs I know would hand you your brass, shake your hand, and say well done sir. Putting you in prison for killing someone that needed killing is not right at all. It does happen in the U.S. and even Travis and Harris counties, Texas.

I've never known a one of them to go confiscate any property from a law abiding citizen. We are taxed to death, and I pay a whole lot of taxes myself. I'm in agreement we are tax mules for all levels of government. That's a shit system. Not the fault of the beat Cop. They pay a ton of taxes themselves.
I am glad you used the word "beat cop" since this is what we call LEOs who see themselves as community members who are tasked to provide educational and remedial services to their community.

The other group is power hungry dicks and chicks who, at the expense of community improvement, sold their souls to a system of extortion and control that could not exist without their contribution.

Unfortunately, politics and policing attracts the same mindset that assumes to be ordained to run other peoples lives even if this means ruining the lives of those who, in their opinion, need to be "governed".
 
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Many are LARPERs and just want to ruin your range time talking about the expensive shit they own.
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If the manager tells me to leave, I leave. I can't be arrested for that.

Every Cop I know also told me to ignore a 30.06 sign which is "No Concealed Carry". They also said if I was discovered carrying to just leave, and it's over.

Then, Texas passed legislation that us "a defense to prosecution" for unlawful carry in a 30.06 posted establishment the offender immediately leaves after being asked to. Then there is no criminal trespass applied. Basically that made the 30.06 sign null and void. But the liberal gun haters are too dumb to realize is.

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So he is enforcing the mask mandate under the guize of the other million and a half laws that are used to control the population.
The mask mandate was not a law. You were not breaking any laws. You were not disruptive. There was no reason to ask you to leave other than the mask. They can not refuse service for your sexual orientation, religious beliefs, color of your skin but they can for not wearing a mask?
Refusing the mask but social distancing is still funny as fuck.
 
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So he is enforcing the mask mandate under the guize of the other million and a half laws that are used to control the population.
The mask mandate was not a law. You were not breaking any laws. You were not disruptive. There was no reason to ask you to leave other than the mask. They can not refuse service for your sexual orientation, religious beliefs, color of your skin but they can for not wearing a mask?
Refusing the mask but social distancing is still funny as fuck.
Actually, it is a case of trespassing. An operator of property can make new decisions on the spot and ask you to leave and they are within their right. Show up naked in the store, not breaking the mask mandate, not carrying a gun, they can still ask you to leave and you can be arrested for not complying with the request of an operator of private party.

Swing ...... and..... and a miss.
 
Actually, it is a case of trespassing. An operator of property can make new decisions on the spot and ask you to leave and they are within their right. Show up naked in the store, not breaking the mask mandate, not carrying a gun, they can still ask you to leave and you can be arrested for not complying with the request of an operator of private party.

Swing ...... and..... and a miss.
Wrong
Showing up naked is against the law.
Try again
 
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So here are the requirements to enlist in the TSG.

https://tmd.texas.gov/texas-state-guard-enlistment

But then again I'm not sure I want a leader or commit to someone else's roe.
So, I might get in. I am about to turn 60 so good health is iffy at this stage of life. I mean, I just had an annual screening for lung cancer ( I smoked cigarettes from May 25, 1982 to Jan 29, 2018, 36 years) and a clear result on the low dose CRT.
No prostate cancer. But I do have high BP, high cholesterol, Meniere's (vertigo but treated), diverticulitis.

Qualifications, no military experience but I am a smart ass electrician from way back. So, they would probably make me a mechanic or quartermaster assistant.
 
Sheesh, I just checked on this thread to see if the TX border is going to be our new Concord Bridge, bringing hope of a return of liberty and rule of Constitutional law in our land only to find instead a bunch of pro/anti police bros engaged in a frenzied session of angry frotting; each side pretending they are straight as long as they don't make eye contact or agree on anything.

Can we get back to the thread topic please.
 
I remember that.
When I took groups of 101 Vets to the Alamo during out 101 Assn Reunion in SA, I discussed in detail the threat that night. One of the Rangers over-heard me, and came over near the Cenotath, and visited with us. He said "I was there that night, Thanks for remembering". He reached into his pocket, and palmed me an Alamo Ranger's Coin.
 
Sheesh, I just checked on this thread to see if the TX border is going to be our new Concord Bridge, bringing hope of a return of liberty and rule of Constitutional law in our land only to find instead a bunch of pro/anti police bros engaged in a frenzied session of angry frotting; each side pretending they are straight as long as they don't make eye contact or agree on anything.

Can we get back to the thread topic please.
excellent contribution to the topic. Not!
 
Federal government is a paper tiger...without the US military.
23,000 FBI agents including file clerks.. total, against 10 million armed deputies as the Sheriffs across Texas has the right to make everyone in his county a lawful deputy, throughout the state..if push comes to shove.
And No Guard commanders should obey federal unconstitutional orders, when the Feds do not uphold their main constitutional obligation to protect and secure the states from foreign invaders.
It ain't immigration, it's an orcastrated invasion...more on the way. They can go through California, they still love illegals there.
But the 27 other states standing with Texas should help avoid any serious confrontation...especially if the 27 govenors descend on Texas to lock arms, with Abbott, for nationwide visual support.
The Rogue Federal government will be forced to stand down...besides they have all those expensive foreign wars they want to fight.
It won't be the Army that comes down here to fight the NG's and State Police Forces. . Period.
Does no one remember when Obama said he would organize a Civilian Force equal to the Military? Homeland Security. They have no duty to the People, nor the Constitution, they only served the President. They have heavy (relatively) armor, and vehicles and an anything goes ROE.
 
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So he is enforcing the mask mandate under the guize of the other million and a half laws that are used to control the population.
The mask mandate was not a law. You were not breaking any laws. You were not disruptive. There was no reason to ask you to leave other than the mask. They can not refuse service for your sexual orientation, religious beliefs, color of your skin but they can for not wearing a mask?
Refusing the mask but social distancing is still funny as fuck.

No one was enforcing a mask mandate. Not a Sheriff deputy and not the store manager. I'm sure you can search online and find ways to improve your reading comprehension. Or, it could be you're the type to listen not to understand, but to reply. There is a difference.

I wasn't "social distancing". I was keeping my distance from a uniformed and armed Sheriff deputy, that was on duty and has his back to me. I did not want to startle him. The same thing I would do for anyone with their back to me. I said I shook his hand. And then we stood a few feet from each other like men do when having a conversation.

The point went right over your head, actually. I thought there may have been a time in your life when you stood armed. And was wearing your emotional armor. Did you forget what it feels like? Do you not extend courtesies to other people the way you would want them extended to you?
 
It won't be the Army that comes down here to fight the NG's and State Police Forces. . Period.
Does no one remember when Obama said he would organize a Civilian Force equal to the Military? Homeland Security. They have no duty to the People, nor the Constitution, they only served the President. They have heavy (relatively) armor, and vehicles and an anything goes ROE.

I know those dumbasses won't be able to shoot.

I also know lots of ole boys that damn sure can.
 
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It won't be the Army that comes down here to fight the NG's and State Police Forces. . Period.
Does no one remember when Obama said he would organize a Civilian Force equal to the Military? Homeland Security. They have no duty to the People, nor the Constitution, they only served the President. They have heavy (relatively) armor, and vehicles and an anything goes ROE.

Stories are told on the underground that the more shadowy types in the government have a pretty huge "contractor / merc / private" forces army on paid retainer stationed in a lot of places in this country ready to do the kind of stuff even the most dedicated uniform hangers won't be willing to do when it's time for the rise of tyranny.


I could be wrong...
 
One of the greatest interview quotes I've ever heard was during Hurricane Harvey, in Houston. The reporter asked a leader of the Cajun Navy why they were here.

"We were in trouble during hurricane Katrina. And a bunch of Texas boys came over and landed us a hand. We are just here returning the favor. That's what you do when you're neighbors."

Add some Louisianans to Texas and we wish a mother fucker would!
 
No one was enforcing a mask mandate. Not a Sheriff deputy and not the store manager. I'm sure you can search online and find ways to improve your reading comprehension. Or, it could be you're the type to listen not to understand, but to reply. There is a difference.

I wasn't "social distancing". I was keeping my distance from a uniformed and armed Sheriff deputy, that was on duty and has his back to me. I did not want to startle him. The same thing I would do for anyone with their back to me. I said I shook his hand. And then we stood a few feet from each other like men do when having a conversation.

The point went right over your head, actually. I thought there may have been a time in your life when you stood armed. And was wearing your emotional armor. Did you forget what it feels like? Do you not extend courtesies to other people the way you would want them extended to you?
Bwaaaahahaha.
I am around armed people all the time. We don't treat people like they are leppers.
You are a fucking clown. "The manager can make up whatever he wants". Because that is the way it works? I was wrong about you being a clown. You are worse. You're a bootlicking idiot clown.
In your original story. No one was enforcing anything but you were bragging about your cop friend not enforcing a stores request that is unenforceable. But you would leave if he told you to. Because you don't have enough spine to stand up for your rights. And like I said. If you did stand up for your rights. Your cop buddy would cuff and stuff you like a thanksgiving turkey. He'd be saying "quit resisting" the entire time. Followed by "this is not the place. Take it up in court" while he was violating your rights.
Make all the excuses you want. You were Social Distancing!!
You thought that you were going to puff out your chest about being a badass refusing to wear a mask and how your cop buddy was a great dude and didn't do anything about it. All you did was show your ass.
Now I am done with you. Go be a bitch somewhere else
 
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So, I might get in. I am about to turn 60 so good health is iffy at this stage of life. I mean, I just had an annual screening for lung cancer ( I smoked cigarettes from May 25, 1982 to Jan 29, 2018, 36 years) and a clear result on the low dose CRT.
No prostate cancer. But I do have high BP, high cholesterol, Meniere's (vertigo but treated), diverticulitis.

Qualifications, no military experience but I am a smart ass electrician from way back. So, they would probably make me a mechanic or quartermaster assistant.
You could turbo charge an electric wall. 10000 voltage?
 
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Bwaaaahahaha.
I am around armed people all the time. We don't treat people like they are leppers.
You are a fucking clown. "The manager can make up whatever he wants". Because that is the way it works? I was wrong about you being a clown. You are worse. You're a bootlicking idiot clown.
In your original story. No one was enforcing anything but you were bragging about your cop friend not enforcing a stores request that is unenforceable. But you would leave if he told you to. Because you don't have enough spine to stand up for your rights. And like I said. If you did stand up for your rights. Your cop buddy would cuff and stuff you like a thanksgiving turkey. He'd be saying "quit resisting" the entire time. Followed by "this is not the place. Take it up in court" while he was violating your rights.
Make all the excuses you want. You were Social Distancing!!
You thought that you were going to puff out your chest about being a badass refusing to wear a mask and how your cop buddy was a great dude and didn't do anything about it. All you did was show your ass.
Now I am done with you. Go be a bitch somewhere else

You clearly do not have the necessary I.Q. to attempt to communicate with me. I am done wasting my time trying to get your dumbass up to speed. The conversation outran your brain processing powers.
 
You clearly do not have the necessary I.Q. to attempt to communicate with me. I am done wasting my time trying to get your dumbass up to speed. The conversation outran your brain processing powers.
"Ohh God ohh God that King's man is wearing a gun. I better not get near him. He might get all nervous and shoot me.". Bwaaaahahaha.
Now go be a bitch somewhere else, Beta boy.
 
It won't be the Army that comes down here to fight the NG's and State Police Forces. . Period.
Does no one remember when Obama said he would organize a Civilian Force equal to the Military? Homeland Security. They have no duty to the People, nor the Constitution, they only served the President. They have heavy (relatively) armor, and vehicles and an anything goes ROE.
The Nation Guard has some pretty heavy stuff around here...armor, Attack helicopters,...they also crashed one Apache on a training mission a few months back, saw the crash video...killed all aboard. How competent are any of these people? We'll see, if push comes to shove... not concerned about it at this point.
None of that armor ever won a war since WW2, against all the "inferior" nations it was put up against, since then...primitive soles, made mines, roadside bombs, from unexploded ordinance, RPGs, all seems to work, plus now Drones that are armed, to deliver the package to the target. Remember the government can not handle a prolonged war, they run out of money. A free man is not fighting for money, so he never surrenders, its extremely brutal, and no prisoner are taken, and the War continues for 600 yrs, generation after generation... if necessary, the enemy of my enemy, is my friend...new alliances with unsavory characters, must be contemplated.