Suppressors Form 4 wait time
My approval came back early this morning on my form 4. Going to my trust. 162 days
I threw in another Form 1 Jan17th thinking it’d be quick yet, on that long boat ride again!WTF… I’m seeing all these come back in record time, yet I’m at like 85 days on my most recent submission (trust, obviously…which is probably why).
Picked up my first can today.
Individual
LGS/SS kiosk
Certified 2-15-24
Approved 3-1-24
15 days.
Individual
LGS/SS kiosk
Certified 2-15-24
Approved 3-1-24
15 days.
Nice mine was certified the same day but it’s on a trust, hopefully it’ll get approved soon
I have been checking my email every hour hoping for an approval. Now I have no muffler and no job because I got nothing done at work and “I’m waiting for my approval” isn’t a sufficient excuse
It is interesting to see these quick approval times coming in
According to ATF website
As of Feb 1st, Last reviewed Feb 12th
Totals of Pending NFA Forms
According to ATF website
As of Feb 1st, Last reviewed Feb 12th
Totals of Pending NFA Forms
- Current Forms 4 pending: 190,840
- Total NFA forms pending: 207,439
They must have done a batch afor my LGS today. When I picked mine up she said several came in at the same time. Some were only 1 week.
We can probably surmise with a high degree of statistical certainty, that in the aggregate, all 50 of the States' BMVs are a warp factor 3.2 compared to the ATF. Yet motor vehicles account for an exponentially greater number of deaths and injuries compared to NFA items.
Yup and I'm happy for ya!
If I knew that was the new dependable norm, I would grudgingly hand over another $200 to them for another Nomad L titanium
But I know better
My post was about the 190 thou long timers wasting away in small town jails across the country (with loved ones trying not to think about them) while having to watch the new meat rotate in and out in a week.
My last two took 11 months.
Liberty Precision Machine Mach S, 15 day Form 4 approval.
I think I might Form 1 SBR my new MP5 I just picked up today. But for now I'm just going to run a Safety Harbor collapsable brace setup with a GHW Tailhook Mod1C brace.
Got the email about eFile being back this morning. Got all excited…until I realized it wasn’t an approval. Ruined my day.
So I caught this gem in the FAQ,
Q. Are there other factors other than the review process that result in longer processing times for trusts?
Yes. The most common reasons attributable to trust processing delays include:
o Failure to submit a valid trust, e.g., there is only one person named in the trust who is the settlor, trustee, and beneficiary;
So are they basically saying that they are going to be purposely delaying trusts such as the single shot trust where only one person is named on the trust while streamlining individual applications?
Because if so that’s pretty fucked up.
Q. Are there other factors other than the review process that result in longer processing times for trusts?
Yes. The most common reasons attributable to trust processing delays include:
o Failure to submit a valid trust, e.g., there is only one person named in the trust who is the settlor, trustee, and beneficiary;
So are they basically saying that they are going to be purposely delaying trusts such as the single shot trust where only one person is named on the trust while streamlining individual applications?
Because if so that’s pretty fucked up.
So the question that still remains unanswered are; what about the From 4s that have been sitting there since the Dead Sea Scrolls were first hidden?
Ha, DMV = sloths
"Hey, Flash, wanna hear a joke?"
That video alone, just proves that the BMV is still faster than the ATF.
Prioritizing Individual applications over Trusts, and if you include your SS# you will receive a "bundling process" (batch approval) as a newly implemented policy.
Basically ATF just showed you that they can approve forms within a month at a minimum. Meanwhile they have willingly been dragging their feet for years. Nothing will change this circus act
Basically ATF just showed you that they can approve forms within a month at a minimum. Meanwhile they have willingly been dragging their feet for years. Nothing will change this circus act
Good information, thank you.
i am at 423 days. you're a piker.WTF… I’m seeing all these come back in record time, yet I’m at like 85 days on my most recent submission (trust, obviously…which is probably why).
You might want to call your local congressional representative to have them contact the ATF and FBI to find out why it's taking so long. That's completely abnormal times. Since eForms kicked off, my longest was about 280 days or so. Before eForms, with the paper Form 4's, I had a couple go as long as 12,13, & 14 months.
So, why are they doing it...? That's the million $$$ question... Why fuck with trustees, and not individuals? Is it because the Trust adds an extra layer of protection for the trustee, so that the ATF can't just walk it back and say, "Oh those stamps are no longer valid" and then claim your in violation? Is it because the Trust is a binding legal agreement that is documented, signed, and notarized by several people, which guarantees you permission to have it? Whereas with a individual Form 4, they could just burn the whole system to the ground, and then say, "oh, we don't have a copy of your Form in our system... You must have plagiarized that, now you're going to jail for having an illegally-obtained suppressor we didn't approve..."
I mean, seems like a stretch, but they've actually done WAY worse on many occasions over the last 100 years... Waco... Ruby Ridge... etc...
Told my FIL about the quicker times on individuals recently - he bought two cans yesterday. Curious to see how fast he gets these approved.
Probably the same reason that they went after trusts in the first place in 2016 by changing the rules to require finger prints and background checks for everyone on the trust. They don’t like that trusts can add people they aren’t aware of and since they can’t get rid of them they decided to force people to either file individually and get it quick or do the trust and wait months to years just because.
already did. still nothing.
I’m at 320 days, called to check status and the lady said I’m in delayed status? i already own 4 other suppressors. Nothing has changed Anyone know what this means?
It almost sounds arbitrary and capricious, and they do not feel like they have to explain anything to anyone.
Yeah, means it’s sitting under a box of donuts at the FBI. They just put it on delay to stop the clock
I’m looking at the Mojave 9 also. What made you go with that can?
There’s a lot I like about the Mojave 9.
- Skinny enough that it won’t always require suppressor height sights and a high sitting red dot
- Compact enough to carry on person while concealing, for example, in the T. Rex Arms Tourniquet Attachment on their sidecar holster
- A removable baffle for the option of quieter vs smaller
- Overwhelmingly positive reviews and sounds very quiet in YouTube videos
- Works on 300 Blackout and seems to do it well.
So buddy is an SOT who got an email from the atf and supposedly the fast approval times are because ATF is switching to a regular 4473 background check for form 4s. His shop has had every one of their form 4s approved that is over 2 weeks old and personally saw 2 different people with 12 day approvals and heard a story of a neighboring shop having a 30 minute approval time on one guy. I'm assuming there is some merit to this because we went to order some more suppressors for the shop today and damn near everything is out of stock.
I just bought my Ultra 7 Sunday afternoon as an individual and received e-form approval Tuesday around lunch- so a turn around time of less than 48 hours. Had to call Scheels and make sure I was reading the email correctly and they confirmed.
Might be worth filing as an individual on the front end for faster approvals and then deal with moving it to a trust once you receive the can.
Might be worth filing as an individual on the front end for faster approvals and then deal with moving it to a trust once you receive the can.
How is the "regular 4473 background check" different from what they were doing before?
Why are some of the older applications on here (somebody above said 400 days) still not moving?
Reading through their FAQ page, I do not see where is specifies this only applies to Form 4s and not Form 1s.
All I see is them specifying Individual applications and Trusts.
Wish I could tell you. I just don't know. I don't understand why the store can't just run it through NICS like a firearm, collect $200 for the king and give you your can. And maybe that is what they are moving towards. As far as sbrs and FA I think it is across the board but I don't know for sure.
You should ask your buddy to post the email, it should be public anyways given ATF is a govt agency, freedom of information act allows us to view it
Meanwhile, per silencer shop's processing times as of today individual filing median wait times are an insane unheard of 19 days! The mere fact that the median wait times are dwindling very quickly just in the last week alone, means they are really processing MOST of the individual filings within a week! Trusts have barely moved still 5-6 months@ 162 days median wait time. I said screw it, and bought another suppressor as individual filing (scythe) while my trusts (Enticer LTI and Q erector) are still processing at nearly 3 months wait now.
Well, I'm gonna let you guys jump on the wagon because I know as soon as I do they'll decide to start at the beginning of the stack and we will all be back at the end of the line.
Your welcome
So, here’s a question… If I buy one as an individual for the fast turn around time, get it approved, and then want to transfer it to a Single Shot Trust like all my other cans, does that cost another $200 and wait time, or do I just submit paperwork to transfer?
This is what I am wondering. I do not believe that it is another $200. Probably some more paperwork (hoops) to complete.
How long of a wait is it to transfer an individual item to a Trust?
The wait time really wouldn’t matter, since you are the owner, you maintain possession of the item. But I’m just wondering about cost and simplicity.
This is why it shouldn't cost another $200. You're already in possession of the item since its already been transferred to you. Claiming you do not own items in your Trust is BS.
Moving Individually Owned NFA Items to Your Trust
This guide will walk you through every step of the process to move individually owned NFA items to your NFA Trust and make it as easy as possible. The fields referenced are based upon the
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