Suppressors Form 4 wait time

[sandhiller]

They must have done a batch afor my LGS today. When I picked mine up she said several came in at the same time. Some were only 1 week.

Yup and I'm happy for ya!
If I knew that was the new dependable norm, I would grudgingly hand over another $200 to them for another Nomad L titanium
But I know better
My post was about the 190 thou long timers wasting away in small town jails across the country (with loved ones trying not to think about them) while having to watch the new meat rotate in and out in a week.
My last two took 11 months.

 

[buyobuyo]

Certified a Form 1 today about 30-60 minutes after the site came back up. We'll see if this one makes it through fast and if it expedites the other forms I have in the system. Currently have another Form 1 at 90+ days and a Form 4 at 60+ days.

 

[Obi-WanKannoli]

Liberty Precision Machine Mach S, 15 day Form 4 approval.

 

[FuhQ]

I threw in another Form 1 Jan17th thinking it’d be quick yet, on that long boat ride again!

I think I might Form 1 SBR my new MP5 I just picked up today. But for now I'm just going to run a Safety Harbor collapsable brace setup with a GHW Tailhook Mod1C brace.

 

[Kimel]

Got the email about eFile being back this morning. Got all excited…until I realized it wasn’t an approval. Ruined my day.

 

[CMP70306]

So I caught this gem in the FAQ,


Q. Are there other factors other than the review process that result in longer processing times for trusts?

Yes. The most common reasons attributable to trust processing delays include:

o Failure to submit a valid trust, e.g., there is only one person named in the trust who is the settlor, trustee, and beneficiary;


So are they basically saying that they are going to be purposely delaying trusts such as the single shot trust where only one person is named on the trust while streamlining individual applications?

Because if so that’s pretty fucked up.

 

[Longshot231]

So the question that still remains unanswered are; what about the From 4s that have been sitting there since the Dead Sea Scrolls were first hidden?

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

We can probably surmise with a high degree of statistical certainty, that in the aggregate, all 50 of the States' BMVs are a warp factor 3.2 compared to the ATF. Yet motor vehicles account for an exponentially greater number of deaths and injuries compared to NFA items.

Ha, DMV = sloths





"Hey, Flash, wanna hear a joke?"

 

[Longshot231]

Ha, DMV = sloths





"Hey, Flash, wanna hear a joke?"

That video alone, just proves that the BMV is still faster than the ATF.

 

[southernpew]

Prioritizing Individual applications over Trusts, and if you include your SS# you will receive a "bundling process" (batch approval) as a newly implemented policy.

Basically ATF just showed you that they can approve forms within a month at a minimum. Meanwhile they have willingly been dragging their feet for years. Nothing will change this circus act

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

if you include your SS# you will receive a "bundling process" (batch approval) as a newly implemented policy.

Good information, thank you.

 

[myronman3]

WTF… I’m seeing all these come back in record time, yet I’m at like 85 days on my most recent submission (trust, obviously…which is probably why).

i am at 423 days. you're a piker.

 

[FuhQ]

i am at 423 days. you're a piker.

You might want to call your local congressional representative to have them contact the ATF and FBI to find out why it's taking so long. That's completely abnormal times. Since eForms kicked off, my longest was about 280 days or so. Before eForms, with the paper Form 4's, I had a couple go as long as 12,13, & 14 months.

 

[FuhQ]

So I caught this gem in the FAQ,


Q. Are there other factors other than the review process that result in longer processing times for trusts?

Yes. The most common reasons attributable to trust processing delays include:

o Failure to submit a valid trust, e.g., there is only one person named in the trust who is the settlor, trustee, and beneficiary;


So are they basically saying that they are going to be purposely delaying trusts such as the single shot trust where only one person is named on the trust while streamlining individual applications?

Because if so that’s pretty fucked up.

So, why are they doing it...? That's the million $$$ question... Why fuck with trustees, and not individuals? Is it because the Trust adds an extra layer of protection for the trustee, so that the ATF can't just walk it back and say, "Oh those stamps are no longer valid" and then claim your in violation? Is it because the Trust is a binding legal agreement that is documented, signed, and notarized by several people, which guarantees you permission to have it? Whereas with a individual Form 4, they could just burn the whole system to the ground, and then say, "oh, we don't have a copy of your Form in our system... You must have plagiarized that, now you're going to jail for having an illegally-obtained suppressor we didn't approve..."

I mean, seems like a stretch, but they've actually done WAY worse on many occasions over the last 100 years... Waco... Ruby Ridge... etc...

 

[waspocrew]

Told my FIL about the quicker times on individuals recently - he bought two cans yesterday. Curious to see how fast he gets these approved.

 

[CMP70306]

So, why are they doing it...? That's the million $$$ question... Why fuck with trustees, and not individuals? Is it because the Trust adds an extra layer of protection for the trustee, so that the ATF can't just walk it back and say, "Oh those stamps are no longer valid" and then claim your in violation? Is it because the Trust is a binding legal agreement that is documented, signed, and notarized by several people, which guarantees you permission to have it? Whereas with a individual Form 4, they could just burn the whole system to the ground, and then say, "oh, we don't have a copy of your Form in our system... You must have plagiarized that, now you're going to jail for having an illegally-obtained suppressor we didn't approve..."

I mean, seems like a stretch, but they've actually done WAY worse on many occasions over the last 100 years... Waco... Ruby Ridge... etc...

Probably the same reason that they went after trusts in the first place in 2016 by changing the rules to require finger prints and background checks for everyone on the trust. They don’t like that trusts can add people they aren’t aware of and since they can’t get rid of them they decided to force people to either file individually and get it quick or do the trust and wait months to years just because.

 

[myronman3]

You might want to call your local congressional representative to have them contact the ATF and FBI to find out why it's taking so long. That's completely abnormal times. Since eForms kicked off, my longest was about 280 days or so. Before eForms, with the paper Form 4's, I had a couple go as long as 12,13, & 14 months.

already did. still nothing.

 

[Ann Ominous]

I have gotten 3 emails from atf saying I need to submit my form 2. Wtf

 

[USK308]

I have gotten 3 emails from atf saying I need to submit my form 2. Wtf

Ditto.

I am guessing it's just because you have an eForms account with the ATF...

 

[Pre64]

I’m at 320 days, called to check status and the lady said I’m in delayed status? i already own 4 other suppressors. Nothing has changed Anyone know what this means?

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

I’m at 320 days, called to check status and the lady said I’m in delayed status? i already own 4 other suppressors. Nothing has changed Anyone know what this means?

It almost sounds arbitrary and capricious, and they do not feel like they have to explain anything to anyone.

 

[Baron23]

I’m at 320 days, called to check status and the lady said I’m in delayed status? i already own 4 other suppressors. Nothing has changed Anyone know what this means?

Yeah, means it’s sitting under a box of donuts at the FBI. They just put it on delay to stop the clock

 

[cdpond]

Alright my fellow hearing safety enthusiasts, I just bought a Dead Air Mojave 9 today. My gun store said they’ve been seeing some approvals from 4 days to 5 weeks. The waiting begins again.

 

[Simonsza1]

Alright my fellow hearing safety enthusiasts, I just bought a Dead Air Mojave 9 today. My gun store said they’ve been seeing some approvals from 4 days to 5 weeks. The waiting begins again.

I’m looking at the Mojave 9 also. What made you go with that can?

 

[cdpond]

I’m looking at the Mojave 9 also. What made you go with that can?

There’s a lot I like about the Mojave 9.
- Skinny enough that it won’t always require suppressor height sights and a high sitting red dot
- Compact enough to carry on person while concealing, for example, in the T. Rex Arms Tourniquet Attachment on their sidecar holster
- A removable baffle for the option of quieter vs smaller
- Overwhelmingly positive reviews and sounds very quiet in YouTube videos
- Works on 300 Blackout and seems to do it well.

 

[tylerradke]

So buddy is an SOT who got an email from the atf and supposedly the fast approval times are because ATF is switching to a regular 4473 background check for form 4s. His shop has had every one of their form 4s approved that is over 2 weeks old and personally saw 2 different people with 12 day approvals and heard a story of a neighboring shop having a 30 minute approval time on one guy. I'm assuming there is some merit to this because we went to order some more suppressors for the shop today and damn near everything is out of stock.

 

[Wilko361]

I just bought my Ultra 7 Sunday afternoon as an individual and received e-form approval Tuesday around lunch- so a turn around time of less than 48 hours. Had to call Scheels and make sure I was reading the email correctly and they confirmed.
Might be worth filing as an individual on the front end for faster approvals and then deal with moving it to a trust once you receive the can.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

So buddy is an SOT who got an email from the atf and supposedly the fast approval times are because ATF is switching to a regular 4473 background check for form 4s. His shop has had every one of their form 4s approved that is over 2 weeks old and personally saw 2 different people with 12 day approvals and heard a story of a neighboring shop having a 30 minute approval time on one guy. I'm assuming there is some merit to this because we went to order some more suppressors for the shop today and damn near everything is out of stock.

How is the "regular 4473 background check" different from what they were doing before?

Why are some of the older applications on here (somebody above said 400 days) still not moving?

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Also, is it going to be this fast for machine guns and SBRs, or is it just cans?

 

[southernpew]

Also, is it going to be this fast for machine guns and SBRs, or is it just cans?

Reading through their FAQ page, I do not see where is specifies this only applies to Form 4s and not Form 1s.

All I see is them specifying Individual applications and Trusts.

 

[tylerradke]

How is the "regular 4473 background check" different from what they were doing before?

Why are some of the older applications on here (somebody above said 400 days) still not moving?

Wish I could tell you. I just don't know. I don't understand why the store can't just run it through NICS like a firearm, collect $200 for the king and give you your can. And maybe that is what they are moving towards. As far as sbrs and FA I think it is across the board but I don't know for sure.

 

[Renomd]

Wish I could tell you. I just don't know. I don't understand why the store can't just run it through NICS like a firearm, collect $200 for the king and give you your can. And maybe that is what they are moving towards. As far as sbrs and FA I think it is across the board but I don't know for sure.

You should ask your buddy to post the email, it should be public anyways given ATF is a govt agency, freedom of information act allows us to view it
Meanwhile, per silencer shop's processing times as of today individual filing median wait times are an insane unheard of 19 days! The mere fact that the median wait times are dwindling very quickly just in the last week alone, means they are really processing MOST of the individual filings within a week! Trusts have barely moved still 5-6 months@ 162 days median wait time. I said screw it, and bought another suppressor as individual filing (scythe) while my trusts (Enticer LTI and Q erector) are still processing at nearly 3 months wait now.

 

[Ann Ominous]

This confirms it. I need to buy another as an individual

 

[sandhiller]

This confirms it. I need to buy another as an individual

Well, I'm gonna let you guys jump on the wagon because I know as soon as I do they'll decide to start at the beginning of the stack and we will all be back at the end of the line.

Your welcome

 

[FuhQ]

So, here’s a question… If I buy one as an individual for the fast turn around time, get it approved, and then want to transfer it to a Single Shot Trust like all my other cans, does that cost another $200 and wait time, or do I just submit paperwork to transfer?

 

[southernpew]

So, here’s a question… If I buy one as an individual for the fast turn around time, get it approved, and then want to transfer it to a Single Shot Trust like all my other cans, does that cost another $200 and wait time, or do I just submit paperwork to transfer?

This is what I am wondering. I do not believe that it is another $200. Probably some more paperwork (hoops) to complete.
How long of a wait is it to transfer an individual item to a Trust?

 

[Wilko361]

So, here’s a question… If I buy one as an individual for the fast turn around time, get it approved, and then want to transfer it to a Single Shot Trust like all my other cans, does that cost another $200 and wait time, or do I just submit paperwork to transfer?

Yes it’s another $200.

 

[FuhQ]

This is what I am wondering. I do not believe that it is another $200, but probably some more paperwork (hoops) to complete.
How long of a wait is it to transfer an individual item to a Trust?

The wait time really wouldn’t matter, since you are the owner, you maintain possession of the item. But I’m just wondering about cost and simplicity.

 

[southernpew]

The wait time really wouldn’t matter, since you are the owner, you maintain possession of the item. But I’m just wondering about cost and simplicity.

This is why it shouldn't cost another $200. You're already in possession of the item since its already been transferred to you. Claiming you do not own items in your Trust is BS.

Moving Individually Owned NFA Items to Your Trust

This guide will walk you through every step of the process to move individually owned NFA items to your NFA Trust and make it as easy as possible. The fields referenced are based upon the

johnpierceesq.com

 

[Wilko361]

This is why it shouldn't cost another $200. You're already in possession of the item since it’s already been transferred to you. Claiming you do not own items in your Trust is government BS.

Sorry about that let me rephrase. I was told during purchasing, If you transfer the individual suppressor to a NEW gun trust you’ll have to buy another tax stamp for approval of that trust (at least that’s how I understood it). I’m not sure if an additional tax stamp is required for transfer to an existing. Definitely worth looking into though.

 

[southernpew]

Sorry about that let me rephrase. I was told during purchasing, If you transfer the individual suppressor to a NEW gun trust you’ll have to buy another tax stamp for approval of that trust (at least that’s how I understood it). I’m not sure if an additional tax stamp is required for transfer to an existing. Definitely worth looking into though.

No, you are right. You own the item as an individual. To transfer it to a Trust (meaning the Trust will now own it) you submit the paperwork and another $200. Because you as an individual are now transferring the item.
You do not own the items in your Trust, the Trust does.

No, it doesn't make sense. But most of this BS doesn't already.

 

[doubloon]

If you transfer the individual suppressor to a NEW gun trust you’ll have to buy another tax stamp

Si.

Even if it's an OLD trust and you, as a member of that existing trust, purchase a suppressor as an individual you can't just roll it into the trust without another stamp.

I'm sure someone somewhere has done this already and if/when the ATF finds them they'll descend on the "criminals" like a pack of giggling children pulling the wings off flys.

 

[waspocrew]

I went to buy a TBAC Magnus from my local Scheels but they were out of stock. Probably a good thing as I didn’t really need to burn another $1800 - just wanted to get in on the fun of a faster individual approval while waiting for my recent SS trust to be approved.

 

[Raffy]

It is confirmed by my suppressor trust expert that transfers from an individual to a trust does cost another 200 tax stamp because you have to file another form 4 for transfer of ownership. The upside is you get to MAYBE get to use your suppressor sooner, but at the cost of double the paperwork and double the money.

 

[clark33]

I just got my email... 5 days for approved status. WOW!

Form 4 individual

 

[FuhQ]

It is confirmed by my suppressor trust expert that transfers from an individual to a trust does cost another 200 tax stamp because you have to file another form 4 for transfer of ownership. The upside is you get to MAYBE get to use your suppressor sooner, but at the cost of double the paperwork and double the money.

Well, that sucks, but time is money, and if you can get approved in a damn week or 2 on an individual, then pick it up from the dealer, then flip it over to a Trust at the expense of another $200, you already have the can, and are still using it in the meantime… Just costs you double to get it sooner.

 

[FuhQ]

Personally, I think the ATF needs to stop harassing Trustees, because it’s the same GD background check, and they check the same info, I could see it taking a few extra minutes to read over the trust info to verify it’s accuracy, but in the case of Single Shot Trusts, they’ve seen millions of them every year, the only thing that changes from SST to SST is the trustee’s info & the make/model of the NFA item(s), literally everything else is the EXACT same wording. It shouldn’t take maybe an extra couple minutes to look over the a SST with only 1 trustee on it, compared to an individual approval.

Why is the ATF deliberately ostracizing trust holders with HUNDREDS of days wait times, but individuals can get theirs back in a matter of days (I saw one that came back in like 20 minutes on IG )?

 

[carbonbased]

So, if one has a regular trust (not a one-shot) but wants their can in hand asap, let’s say they submit electronically as an individual. $200.

To get that can into the trust, is it an additional $200? Of course they can use the can in the meantime

 

[benfrench093]

Basically it seams like you're paying $200 to expedite processing if you buy as an individual and then transfer to a trust upon approval. Gay indeed, but seams like it would be worth it.

 

[Jcarpenter223]

So, if one has a regular trust (not a one-shot) but wants their can in hand asap, let’s say they submit electronically as an individual. $200.

To get that can into the trust, is it an additional $200? Of course they can use the can in the meantime

Exactly what I will be doing in the near future