Yes that does sort of go without saying. But you are spot on!
Sirhr
PS. Rant? Rant? I have not begun to rant... this was merely a slight diatribe. When I start ranting it will be holding a bottle of ripple in a paper bag outside Cumby's. Until them, I engage in social and geopolitical discourse of the highest order! ;-)
Well, yes and no.
You are correct that Lincoln and his cabinet were careful to NOT make the war about slavery in the early stages. It was about preserving the Union. And though anti-slavery himself, Lincoln was not about to risk the Union to emancipate slaves. He figured it would burn itself out eventually. But was not about to risk the Union to free anyone.
BUT... the roots of the Civil War were based on slavery. It was the basis of the Southern economy. The 'wealth' of the small percentage of Southerners who owned the vast majority of slaves was based on... slaves as capital. The value of slaves added up to more than the entire value of all the railroads and Industrial companies in the North. And Southern Agriculture, heavily driven by cotton to feed the mills of the North and of England... was totally based on slavery. Sugar, too. Plus there were fears that 'emancipation' would result in massive bloodshed or strife... what were you going to 'do' with slaves?
Then there was the political angle. Up until the 1850's, there was a careful balance in Congress of Slave vs. Non-slave states. Remember, each 'slave' was 3/5ths of a (non-voting) person in allocating congressmen. So Southern plantation owners were loath to allow anything change that balance and strip their power. They felt the Northerners would crush them politically if the balance were tipped.
So when new states were being added to the Union (Kansas and Missouri and California, etc.) big fights were coming up over slavery's spread. It was not a moral issue of 'do we own slaves or not.' It was all about 'do we keep our power in the Congress!
Add in the toxic effect of the abolition movement... the nutballs of the Nineteenth Century. These folks ranged from the "Meh, I don't like this" to the utter murderous zealots like John Brown (who hacked up people with swords and fomented actual revolution." These zealots were like BLM or "Occupy" today. And they turned the Southern Militia systems from sort of a joke... a local society phenomena... into a serious movement of arming aganist rising slaves, abolitionists and preparing for succession.
On the other side, you had radical secessionists. Again driven by various causes, but largely to 'protect the Southern livestyle' which was utterly dependant on maintaining slavery.
This was what led to the events of late 1860/early 1861. And while noone 'said' slavery up front when the war started... the whole thing was most definitely rooted in slavery and the ripples it caused through society at basically every level. With the flames fanned by the new availability of "cheap newspapers" and pamphlets... the 1850's version of the Internet. Along with more leisure time brought on by wealth and industrialization (and slavery) that let people engage in 'causes' for the first time in America. Causes like secession and abolition.
Lincoln absolutely kept the war from being about 'slavery' for some two years. I think it was after victory at... Antietam? That he felt he had enough momentun to change the narrative to slavery. Pushed hard by rich Boston and NY Abolitionists and Frederick Douglas and his (white) followers. Who were all endless pains in the ass when it came to waging the war.
And, as you point out, as soon as the narrative shifted, there was a massive outburst of "pissed off" in the North. Ranging from the NY Draft Riots to whole units deserting the Union Army. Political fallout. Huge anger in the Irish community in particular (they were the 'low wage' outcasts in Northern Society -- and felt freed slaves would lower their wages and compete for jobs.) Sound familiar? So the shift from "Preserving the Union" to "Emancipation" was not an easy or popular one. And in hindsight caused a lot of issues we still feel today.
But to say the Civil War was not about slavery is only part of the story. It was 100 percent 'based' on the fact that America was founded with Slavery still permitted. It was the 'unfinished business' of the Constitutional Convention. And the compromises that allowed it to stand were destined to cause 'issues' in the future. They did. A shooting war that killed more Americans, if my numbers are right, than all our wars put together. (That may have changed.) Was it about slavery? Not if you read the period history prior to the Emancipation Procolamation.
But that's not the whole story. It was about slavery. Even if it wasn't.
Pardon the rant. Er... diatribe. Er... history blathering. Whatever. My coffee isn't working yet. Excuse for controversial remarks.
Sirhr
Back to the subject at hand!
Funny & awesome pics, vids and memes thread
And that’s why I don’t spend time with most of my relatives.
Nice summary.
The South felt it was about States' Rights, something that has/had been a wrench in the works since the beginning. Where does the Federal Government stop and State Government start? We still are having "difficulties" with this to this very day.
The Missouri Compromise was just that, a temporary method to keep the balance where the South felt they had a viable stake in the Union but the feeling that their ability to protect their economic interests were being whittled away just lead to that belief with each subsequent incident that came down the pike. Unequal numbers in the Senate was a real fear for the South. Their economy depended on agriculture while the North was becoming more industrialized and outstripping the South's ability to compete economically.
Harper's Ferry and Lincoln's election made those fears of being able to govern themselves, that slavery would be abolished, which would wreck the economy of the South, became a distinct probability.
Slavery was an important aspect of this but losing a say in what happens to you was a bigger driving force.
Red counties feel it today with the blue urban centers and their numbers controlling elections/policy. DDSOS.
Excellent points and spot on!
And the “states rights” folks made it almost impossible for the “confederacy” to fight with any cohesion. It was every state for itself and Jefferson Davis pulled his hair out trying to even get states to share food, powder and uniforms….
Ok, back to memes.
Sirhr
Rant? No. Closer to dissertation. You are the resident Rolls Royce guy that can teach the brits about some of their stuff. You are closer to the gun scholar with the driving gloves and scarf. More like the early fighter pilot cool.
Then I need to work on my ranting skills apparently… ;-)
Around here wood chips are exported to Asia with two facilities that load chips into ships. Ships come in about every 10 to 12 days for chips at each facility. Have been told it takes 1500 truck loads to fill one ship.
No. Your rants are better than that. Being able to tell someone to go F themselves in a nice manner like the old masters did is a skill. You ever seen some of the old letters that are in places like the Royal Society? That type of stuff. The fact you can do it anywhere from mild annoyance, rant, to dissertation, to personal letter, to published take down in a scientific journal is a bonus. Not sure where meme take downs falls in there is but you can do that too.
It is respect for your word smithing craft. You care enough to roast them the very best.
For a great example the first post of this was flipping brilliant.
Thread 'The Queen's Funeral... I could not stop watching!' https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/the-queens-funeral-i-could-not-stop-watching.7140213/
back in the day, points were copper... cheap stuff was bronzeBe willing to bet over half on this sight know what your showing in these pics ! Small file and a Match book match for a feeler gauge would get you going till you could replace the(fire maker)!!!Oh, and make sure the vacuum hose didn’t have any leaks for the advance !!!
then.. bronze was high end and aluminum was cheap stuff
now, you ask for points, and the counter person looks at you funny
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The absolute best small kitchen appliance ever made available to the American consumer.
I always liked those oil lamps that had beads of oil moving down stings back in the day.
I can still taste mom's fried chicken..............good memories
To shortly be eclipsed by the air fryer.
I think this photo was taken in southern AZ.
Last week at my place in northern AZ it snowed a couple inches twice. In between the last storm it was 24 degrees in the morn about 7 am and warmed to 62 in the afternoon. I'm at 6640ft Alt.
The previous 3 or so weeks that was the weather pattern except high was mid to upper 50's.
It's supposed to snow again tonight and it'll probably hit high 60's after this coming storm leaves.
I go shoot at a friends place on Wednesday's. His place is at 6000ft and 20 minutes away. So two days ago it was 70-ish about 3 in the afternoon and I was getting hot. The snow melts immediately this time of year there.
Another friend lives in Parks, it's 7200ft. It's still more like winter than spring there. He's 25 minutes away from me.
Also 25 minutes away is the Arizona Snowbowl Ski resort at 9200ft.
It's starting to get hot in Phoenix which is 2 hours south of me. Gonna hit 95 or so by this time next week.
Fun to ponder
That woman reminds me of my sister, in that when ever we call her out for voting for Biden, her response is, “you don’t know who I voted for”, immediately after post another anti trump post… You just can’t fix stuck on stupid!!!
Sounds like up here in Northern California, just double the first three drive times. sitting here in the home office in shorts and a T-shirt and we have Chain Control and accidents all over the highways to the East of us.
The cute little otter tore the shit out of some woman's face last year, I believe.
Nasty quick little bastards.
Nasty quick little bastards.
Yeah, we had a couple teenagers torn up pretty bad on lake Shasta a few years ago too. Predators are dangerous no matter how “cute” they look.
Group of river otters attack teens at Shasta Lake
Don't let their playful antics fool you. Otters are jerks.
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At a tactical match in Phoenix about 15 years ago there was a team shootoff stage. A funny thing happened! It went something like this. One team member shot the station on the left, jumped in a grocery cart kinda laying back with his feet off the sides, and the other team member pushed him as fast as he could to the station on the right about 25yards away, then got out of the cart and shot again. This was in concrete area.
It was hilarious because the cart was going so fast that the guy in the cart, "who was wearing a Kilt" had a wardrobe malfunction because the wind blew his Kilt rearward all of a sudden, exposing the tender areas. Funny part was everyone who saw the unthinkable all went UGH, EEK, OH, all at the exact same time. We all laughed as hard at the laughing moment as the debacle, like a double laugh.
My only Kilt story.
Intruder Critically Wounded by Muzzleloader in Vermont Home Defense Incident
GEORGIA, VT - In a late-night defensive action, a homeowner used a muzzleloader rifle to critically wound an intruder during an attempted break-in. The
www.usacarry.com I own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
Sirhr
Likely Hugh T.
Him in the red hat and camo kilt. This was from Phoenix also. They always put on fun matches.
That's not a commando kilt.And now for the Real Men
Somehow, someway, I just don’t think this fellow’s wrist is very limp, no matter what he wears
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Kommando Kilts | Custom Leather Renaissance Festival Apparel | Sporrans, Kilts
Kommando Kilts is your source for Renaissance Kilts, Tons of Tartan Choices, Custom Leather Renaissance Festival Apparel and custom handmade leather goods.
www.kommandokilts.com My sporran is from them as well.
Pic is from 2015. Also wear it with white shirt and tie to church sometimes. I wear different shoes these days.
I went with UT Kilts from Utah for mine.
Both an Army (OD) Green for BSA events and the family Hunter Tartan. Good quality and very comfortable.
Both an Army (OD) Green for BSA events and the family Hunter Tartan. Good quality and very comfortable.
"Exterminate!"That's not a commando kilt.
This is
I have a black and a gray one. Need one in Robertson hunting (not last name but ancestors tie in to them).Kommando Kilts | Custom Leather Renaissance Festival Apparel | Sporrans, Kilts
Kommando Kilts is your source for Renaissance Kilts, Tons of Tartan Choices, Custom Leather Renaissance Festival Apparel and custom handmade leather goods.
My sporran is from them as well.
Pic is from 2015. Also wear it with white shirt and tie to church sometimes. I wear different shoes these days.
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That was most likely Hugh T. from Vegas. He wore a Multicam kilt to some matches back then.. Was that the year that they wore the big oversized foam cowboy hat stage and hit cans with a BB gun for charity? I was at that one. I have pics somewhere. The one with the Santa dummy in the desert was also a good match.. I helped on that stage with Tim M. Good times.
Edit. Answered by Terry above! The Multicam Hoodie he is wearing I gave him to match the kilt...
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Intruder Critically Wounded by Muzzleloader in Vermont Home Defense Incident
GEORGIA, VT - In a late-night defensive action, a homeowner used a muzzleloader rifle to critically wound an intruder during an attempted break-in. The
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I own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
Sirhr
One of the dumbest questions that I get regarding my blackpowder firearms is, "do you think this thing could kill someone?"
My response is usually something like, "eegads, ye simpleton! Whilst you were just a dream in ye ancestor's eyes and should thou thinkest not in ye tiny cranium that wars were not fought and won with the noble fusil and arquebus? Whilst fair maidens fretted with corsets and powdered wigs gentlemen of noble breeding settled differences on verdant greens under leaden skies with dueling pistols in hand. Thinketh not that the lowly fowling piece was hoisted off a simple mantle to repel ruffians and varlets trapesing upon the threshold of ones abode?"
BTW, make dueling great again!
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