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Why no bespoke autoloaders?

obx22

obx22

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With the current discussions of availability of custom bolt actions, this spawned a thought:
Since one of the big draws in premium REM.700SA bolt actions is the aftermarket support, why are there so few custom semiautos mfgs out there? You can build a Ruger 10/22 clone using zero Ruger parts, and still get phenomenal accuracy and reliability. Kidd is fielding awesome products and sponsoring talented competitors.
People have always said semi’s can’t compete for pure accuracy, yet anyone who has spent time behind one can definitely see the advantages of firing a rifle with instant follow-up and the fact you can shoot a condition, especially at longer distances. AR-15 parts have been adopted by many bolt action chassis, proof in the desirable nature of such modularity.
Dedicated rimfire AR conversion uppers are continuously being refined by the manufacturers, to the point you can tweak and tune many parts of the firing cycle.
Isn’t the rimfire world ready for full customs from a AR-15 platform?
 
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Go build one and show us how it’s done. JP is one if not the best precision Rimfire AR. They have parts and full on builds. There are others. You need a decent magazine, that is one of the hangups, go build one.
 
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Need to make an electrically operated semi auto .22
Bolt stays locked till after the round leaves the barrel, then the bolt is cycled.
Who doesn't want an $8k .22 semi auto. ;)
 
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The slug leaves the 16” barrel before the bolt moves. This 23.5” barrel has the slug exit the same moment the bolt is opening.
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Of course different ammo, springs, and bolt weights will dramatically change this timing.
 
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obx22 said:
People have always said semi’s can’t compete for pure accuracy, yet anyone who has spent time behind one can definitely see the advantages of firing a rifle with instant follow-up and the fact you can shoot a condition, especially at longer distances.
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Anyone who has spent time behind both platforms has come to realize that the semi-auto is pale by comparison to most bolt guns.
 
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ballisticdaddy said:
Anyone who has spent time behind both platforms has come to realize that the semi-auto is pale by comparison to most bolt guns.
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It really depends on the criteria by which you are using to compare. For example, I simply get much more enjoyment from shooting semi-auto than I do a bolt gun. The video I linked below is from JP when he's introducing his precision rimfire rifle, the JPRFX. He states that he needed the rifle to shoot 1 MOA for competition. Now if he can attain that level of accuracy but do it much quicker with follow-up shots, then it's a benefit to him.

 
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erik72 said:
It really depends on the criteria by which you are using to compare. For example, I simply get much more enjoyment from shooting semi-auto than I do a bolt gun. The video I linked below is from JP when he's introducing his precision rimfire rifle, the JPRFX. He states that he needed the rifle to shoot 1 MOA for competition. Now if he can attain that level of accuracy but do it much quicker with follow-up shots, then it's a benefit to him.

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The criteria I am using is pure accuracy and the ability to shoot a 12-15 round stage without failure to fire, failure to eject or failure to feed. Our local MD has that exact JP rifle and after 6 matches it was put back in the safe and replaced with his old bolt gun. For the record I have a Ruger 10-22 that will shoot 1 MOA and cost $400, compare that to the JP rifle you used as an example.
 
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ballisticdaddy said:
The criteria I am using is pure accuracy and the ability to shoot a 12-15 round stage without failure to fire, failure to eject or failure to feed. Our local MD has that exact JP rifle and after 6 matches it was put back in the safe and replaced with his old bolt gun. For the record I have a Ruger 10-22 that will shoot 1 MOA and cost $400, compare that to the JP rifle you used as an example.
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I’ve only fired my build in a couple of matches with zero failures, however just like the warning on custom 10/22 barrels, it won’t always manually extract an unfired round (just like some bolt actions.
This build wears a slightly modified Sako P94S Finnfire Range/Varmint barrel (23” 16.5T) and I had fired 2 of these barrels side by side to establish an accuracy baseline. I believe accuracy potential is fully there, and have proven to myself that the system is quite capable at distances out to my 400yard range limit.
I will also add that our last barricade event was won by a gent firing a Kidd custom semiauto, against a plethora of top shelf rimfires and in winds best described as quite spicy😉
 
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