Now the the bill has passed that eliminates the 200 dollar fee for suppression p rs and short barrel rifles, they are now to be treated like regular fire arms sale, my question now, does this mean you don't have to send application in to atf for approval or does the dealer treat the sale as a regular background check and do we need to retain the stamps for the ones we have now, id like some clarification if someone knows
No Fee for Surppressors or short barrell rifles
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From my local FFL
The Big Beautiful Bill just passed the House. I’m reading it quick but it looks like the $200 tax is going away for Suppressors, Short Barreled Rifles, and Short Barreled Shotguns. All other NFA requirements (Form 4, Fingerprints, Photographs, etc) will stay in place. The $200 tax will not go away until “The Quarter starting at least 90 days from the passage of the act.”
I expect Suppressors and SBRs to disappear from everyone’s inventory very quickly and stay out of stock for quite a while.
Relevant Bill Text:
SEC. 70436. REDUCTION OF TRANSFER AND MANUFACTURING TAXES FOR CERTAIN
DEVICES.
(a) Transfer Tax.--Section 5811(a) is amended to read as follows:
``(a) Rate.--There shall be levied, collected, and paid on firearms
transferred a tax at the rate of--
``(1) $200 for each firearm transferred in the case of a
machinegun or a destructive device, and
``(2) $0 for any firearm transferred which is not described
in paragraph (1).''.
(b) Making Tax.--Section 5821(a) is amended to read as follows:
``(a) Rate.--There shall be levied, collected, and paid upon the
making of a firearm a tax at the rate of--
``(1) $200 for each firearm made in the case of a
machinegun or a destructive device, and
``(2) $0 for any firearm made which is not described in
paragraph (1).''.
(c) Conforming Amendment.--Section 4182(a) is amended by adding at
the end the following: ``For purposes of the preceding sentence, any
firearm described in section 5811(a)(2) shall be deemed to be a firearm
on which the tax provided by section 5811 has been paid.''
(d) Effective Date.--The amendments made by this section shall
apply to calendar quarters beginning more than 90 days after the date
of the enactment of this Act.
From my local FFL
The Big Beautiful Bill just passed the House. I’m reading it quick but it looks like the $200 tax is going away for Suppressors, Short Barreled Rifles, and Short Barreled Shotguns. All other NFA requirements (Form 4, Fingerprints, Photographs, etc) will stay in place. The $200 tax will not go away until “The Quarter starting at least 90 days from the passage of the act.”
I expect Suppressors and SBRs to disappear from everyone’s inventory very quickly and stay out of stock for quite a while.
Relevant Bill Text:
SEC. 70436. REDUCTION OF TRANSFER AND MANUFACTURING TAXES FOR CERTAIN
DEVICES.
(a) Transfer Tax.--Section 5811(a) is amended to read as follows:
``(a) Rate.--There shall be levied, collected, and paid on firearms
transferred a tax at the rate of--
``(1) $200 for each firearm transferred in the case of a
machinegun or a destructive device, and
``(2) $0 for any firearm transferred which is not described
in paragraph (1).''.
(b) Making Tax.--Section 5821(a) is amended to read as follows:
``(a) Rate.--There shall be levied, collected, and paid upon the
making of a firearm a tax at the rate of--
``(1) $200 for each firearm made in the case of a
machinegun or a destructive device, and
``(2) $0 for any firearm made which is not described in
paragraph (1).''.
(c) Conforming Amendment.--Section 4182(a) is amended by adding at
the end the following: ``For purposes of the preceding sentence, any
firearm described in section 5811(a)(2) shall be deemed to be a firearm
on which the tax provided by section 5811 has been paid.''
(d) Effective Date.--The amendments made by this section shall
apply to calendar quarters beginning more than 90 days after the date
of the enactment of this Act.
For right now you still have to go through the same paperwork including the form 4.
That said the entire premise of the NFA was to track tax payments for individual items, at least that is how they legally got away with it for so long.
In addition, per current law, having a gun registry is statutorily illegal. It is illegal per the Brady Bill.
How would they argue that tracking a firearm without the tax is anything but a firearms registry?
Among all the other stuff, they would have to repeal and replace the Brady Bill to get around that.
Removal of the tax is not the best outcome considering they had the opportunity to nuke the whole thing and blew it. That said it does create an interesting legal dynamic.
Nothing has changed with the passage of the bill except for the amount of the tax. It was/is $200 per item, but is now $0.
ALL other requirements for Suppressors and SBRs remain the same. You still have to file a Form 4 with fingerprints and etc like before.
That’s it. No other change.
It is not treated like all other firearms sales and will not be under this change. Where did you get that impression?
See what I posted above. That’s the reality, or would be in January 2026 when this takes effect.
Edit: I see that you saw it on Fox. They are wrong.
Here’s the actual language in the bill: (thanks @doubloon )
The only thing that’s changed is the amount of the tax. From $200 to $0 in January.
The only thing that’s changed is the amount of the tax. From $200 to $0 in January.
Because that is not what happened. They took the HPA out of the bill and replaced it with a zero tax.
What you read is wrong. The NFA is still in effect.
Even the $200 tax is still in effect until the ATF revises it's processes to comply with the new law.
TLDR: Don't get excited.
The Byrd Rule kept the removal of them from NFA from making it through the Senate.
The media always runs with the first thing that they hear or that fits their agenda. Real news is rarely reported correctly. What’s most important is reporting first! Breaking News! Sad, but true.
Today is day 184 in the calendar year, and 90 days from day today is 274 which is October 1, and which is the beginning of the next fiscal quarter.
So it should be October 1, 2025.
So it should be October 1, 2025.
The law doesn’t go into effect until signed by the president…
I never cared about the $200 fee when making already expensive purchases. The NFA registration and classification is what was meaningful and that's unchanged.
Don't get your hopes up. This isn't a big win. While it might be 0, when, not if the Dems get back into control, what is stopping them from making it a 1k tax? Silencers, SBRs, SBS and AOWs just need to be taken out of the NFA completely. The NFA should be completely repealed IMO. Machine guns for everyone!
Why everyone ask ??? ..LOL .. will you still have to follow All the same previous ATF requirements for owning Suppressors, with still doing Prints, Photo, File Paperwork, and get 'BATF permission granted' . It Is Because it was fucking asinine that Suppressors and Short Barrel Rifle firearms were linked together as a singular goal. Suppressors are Not a Firearm, and THE ONLY THING the two have in common, is sharing of the same dollar amount charged in a Tax Fee .
And that what you fucking get in US Government Politics when professional politicians, and lawyers write nonsensical legislation using Mufflers, and Firearms in the same sentence .
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And that what you fucking get in US Government Politics when professional politicians, and lawyers write nonsensical legislation using Mufflers, and Firearms in the same sentence .
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Yes. Plus, the language says more than 90 days after the law is enacted.
Which of the following are considered firearms as they sit?
As far as supressors go, the government argues that a supressor is both. When it benefits them, they argue that they are. When it benefits them they argue that they are not.
As far as supressors go, the government argues that a supressor is both. When it benefits them, they argue that they are. When it benefits them they argue that they are not.
Attachments
§921. Definitions
(3) The term "firearm" means (A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon; (C) any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; or (D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm.
If a $200 tax stamp was all that was holding people back from obtaining an NFA item, I don't see how this bill that was passed will change anyones inventory in any great way...
It contributed to me curtailing my acquisition of more 22 cans back when they were <$300 for a good one. Seems good 22 cans are more in the $400 range these days so the $200 should have been less of a deterrent but I was lazy.
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It's not. I said the same thing a few weeks ago and the Karen's and hen bitches here all cried.
$200 is not holding anyone back. If you wanted a can/cans you would have already bought them. It might bring some short term demand but overall this really does nothing.
The only real benefit I can see here is like mentioned above with .22 cans or cheaper centerfire cans. Where the tax stamp was 1/3 the overall price
The other nice thing is you can SBR whatever you want without adding the fee. So a $120 PSA lower isn’t a $320 PSA lower when you SBR it
If you’re buying expensive cans or pre made short barrels etc then obviously the % of benefit is decreased
It would have saved me $1600 so far in my Can/SBR purchases over the years
The real question is where does it go from here. Do they make it even better. Or does the next administration try to add a tax $ back on and substantially increase it. When the $200 fee was introduced it was a substantial amount. Up until now the $$ hornet nest hasn’t been kicked
I bought all the cans I intend on buying for now. I don’t feel like there’s any leaps and bounds better cans coming out that I feel I need to run and buy. I feel my bases are fairly well covered right now
The other nice thing is you can SBR whatever you want without adding the fee. So a $120 PSA lower isn’t a $320 PSA lower when you SBR it
If you’re buying expensive cans or pre made short barrels etc then obviously the % of benefit is decreased
It would have saved me $1600 so far in my Can/SBR purchases over the years
The real question is where does it go from here. Do they make it even better. Or does the next administration try to add a tax $ back on and substantially increase it. When the $200 fee was introduced it was a substantial amount. Up until now the $$ hornet nest hasn’t been kicked
I bought all the cans I intend on buying for now. I don’t feel like there’s any leaps and bounds better cans coming out that I feel I need to run and buy. I feel my bases are fairly well covered right now
We err when believing they are dumb. They are cunning calculating psycho pieces of used dog food. Nothing they do is accidental. That’s why the clear eyed are such proponents of one way helo rides.
Wait till the govt changes blue and that once $200 stamp will be whatever they deem “acceptable”
Sure, but a lot of companies were offering "free tax stamps" promotions so...
I have a few SBRs but I'd still pistol it just to skip the paperwork. Or pistol it when leaving TN at least
I'd pay twice as much if I could skip the paperwork and records.
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It does set the stage for some standalone legal action with some credible basis to remove the $0 things from the NFA.
I've seen some saber rattling from a couple sources saying they plan to get on this once DJT initials it.
Wouldn't have saved me a dime. I would have bought more cans.
Nearly every barrel in my safe has a dedicated can already but I would have bought more small caliber cans.
I hated the short LOP of the pistols. I had braces on them both prior. An AR and CZ scorpion. I never shot themI have a few SBRs but I'd still pistol it just to skip the paperwork. Or pistol it when leaving TN at least
I'd pay twice as much if I could skip the paperwork and records.
Plus being in Michigan you can carry them under a CCW if under 26” I believe. It’s in the 2014 legal update for LE. I carry a 16” gun currently
Plus I got tired of “you can touch your shoulder”, then next week you can’t….then it can be centered on the chest and blah blah blah. Have a pic of it touching your shoulder and the next day it’s a felony. Once SBR you do whatever you want
I’ll never regret SBR mine and may do a couple more AR in the future. I feel better about SBRing a PSA lower now that it will be free
I would imagine the next administration is going to change this and raise it much higher. I wonder if messing with the way it was, is barking up the wrong tree and some asshat that changes it next will get a big head and raise it astronomically.
I find it hard to believe the $200 is holding many people back. In fact in Illinois, the only way to acquire NFA items is by having an SOT. So if this stuff does eventually get removed from the NFA(I would bet everything I have that it will never) it would screw people like me. It costs me like $700 a year to have an FFL and SOT, and I can buy whatever I want. Sure it would be nice if this stuff didn’t need registered, but I worry about challenging the way it is will open a can of worms. Draws attention to the wrong crowd.
Who knows what’ll happen.
They’ll reverse everything they can….
Like toddlers fighting over toys. Only were the toys…..
Hell they’d probably back pay everyone who looses benefits from the current system
The next administration and the one after that is not going to bother with raising the NFA tax. They would not give a shit, as long as the registry still exists. The registry and the extra hoops to jump through for approval of an NFA item is what matters. That is what prevents most Americans from pursuing suppressors, SBR's, etc....
Yep. The cost is a minor inconvenience. I have read on here, elsewhere and have talked to plenty of people who are not a fan of having their name on the "NFA list".
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