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Night Vision N-Vision Clip On Thermal ?

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#1
This may be old news and already hashed out.
If so, advise link to current thread and I will delete this.

Is this thermal clip-on new or is it just an existing HALO / NOX family device stuck in front of a day optic?

If new, is there anyone here with any hands-on experience and feedback?

For the techno nerd, does the limited info listed sound good?

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#2
This is indeed a new offering. The specs look and sound amazing. I believe this is going to be about as close to "milspec" as we are going to get re: durability and features for less money than competing Pixels on Target products.

I think the rumored price was 10K.
 
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Magsz18 said:
This is indeed a new offering. The specs look and sound amazing. I believe this is going to be about as close to "milspec" as we are going to get re: durability and features for less money than competing Pixels on Target products.

I think the rumored price was 10K.
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Thanks for the reply.

I have not been taking the time to keep up with all the newest iterations and offerings hitting the market, so I'm dumb as a rock on what is new vs old.

I will sit on my hands until somebody gets more info to post.
 
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not out yet, its scheduled to be released later this year. If the specs are accurate, its going to be quite the value vs performace.
 
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Definitely looking forward to seeing the Halo-C, they said release date is this summer. Ballistic calculator, range finder, several profiles can be saved for various rifles, etc, all big items.

Iray has a new 10 micron hybrid clip-on around the same price point they plan to release this year as well. The Iray also has a range finder and ballistic calculator but can be used as a stand alone optic as well as a clip-on.

I prefer to buy American with Nvision but Iray is competing so well it’s tough.
 
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I have zero hands on experience with either unit but I do own a NOX18 and RL25v2 so a small sample from each company with similar units. I prefer the NOX for image quality but the 25mm lens of the RL25v2 adds some capability (to be expected from a larger lens / smaller FOV).

Just looking at specs, I’d guess the Iray hybrid compact will perform between the Nvision 50mm unit and say a Voodoo M albeit without a BAE sensor. The Iray has a 7.3 deg FOV while most 50mm units with a 12 micron sensor have 8.5-8.8 deg FOV.

If they are priced the same, I’ll take the Nvision because BAE sensor and optical collimation. Will be interesting to see how real world use stacks up though.

Excited to see a 10um sensor out there for sure
 
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Terry Cross said:
This may be old news and already hashed out.
If so, advise link to current thread and I will delete this.

Is this thermal clip-on new or is it just an existing HALO / NOX family device stuck in front of a day optic?

If new, is there anyone here with any hands-on experience and feedback?

For the techno nerd, does the limited info listed sound good?

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Give me a call Terry. I can fill you in.
 
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Ran the XRF for a few years and it was one of the best thermals I’ve ever had. Few months ago I picked up a S60R and man it’s unbelievable. From the screen size, image quality, ballistic calculator etc. I’m all about buying American but the way thermal advances so fast, it makes it very hard. I feel like by the time this clip on hits the market 640 will be looked at like 384 is today. Thing of the past.
 
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Coyote777 said:
Ran the XRF for a few years and it was one of the best thermals I’ve ever had. Few months ago I picked up a S60R and man it’s unbelievable. From the screen size, image quality, ballistic calculator etc. I’m all about buying American but the way thermal advances so fast, it makes it very hard. I feel like by the time this clip on hits the market 640 will be looked at like 384 is today. Thing of the past.
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My only counterpoint to this is the footage of American stuff that I’ve seen is light years ahead of anything Chinese. Look at Derek Duncan’s review of the guide TB1250lrf. First 1250 sensored clip on. Then look at a video of the Vodoo M it’s not remotely comparable despite the resolution difference. Now I’m sure as AI upscaling continues to be integrated into thermal. The performance of lower res units will continually be improved upon. But i mean the difference in these units is astonishing. And the lesser looking one at least on video has near double the resolution of its thermal sensor.


 
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5RWill said:
My only counterpoint to this is the footage of American stuff that I’ve seen is light years ahead of anything Chinese. Look at Derek Duncan’s review of the guide TB1250lrf. First 1250 sensored clip on. Then look at a video of the Vodoo M it’s not remotely comparable despite the resolution difference. Now I’m sure as AI upscaling continues to be integrated into thermal. The performance of lower res units will continually be improved upon. But i mean the difference in these units is astonishing. And the lesser looking one at least on video has near double the resolution of its thermal sensor.


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The difference in price is astonishing too.
You're comparing a $20+k BAE cored optic to a $5+k Wu Tang Clan cored optic.
Since the civilian clip on market is very slim, I don't see NVis being in any rush to bring them out.
SJC
 
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shoots100 said:
The difference in price is astonishing too.
You're comparing a $20+k BAE cored optic to a $5+k Wu Tang Clan cored optic.
Since the civilian clip on market is very slim, I don't see NVis being in any rush to bring them out.
SJC
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Yeah and there in lies the issue i guess. But if this halo c comes at 12-13k bridging the gap between the two that’ll be a start.

I say all this while trying to acquire a guide TB630lrf I’m not knocking them for the money i think they’re incredible. I just would like to have Vodoo M performance for half the price as we all would
 
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5RWill said:
Yeah and there in lies the issue i guess. But if this halo c comes at 12-13k bridging the gap between the two that’ll be a start.

I say all this while trying to acquire a guide TB630lrf I’m not knocking them for the money i think they’re incredible. I just would like to have Vodoo M performance for half the price as we all would
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$13k would be a pass for me, this has been in the works so long iray has a 10um clip on coming with LRF / ballistics onboard too.

At this point one of the only thing the Nvision has in my opinion is optical collimation. US core is great to have too
 
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rlsmith1 said:
$13k would be a pass for me, this has been in the works so long iray has a 10um clip on coming with LRF / ballistics onboard too.

At this point one of the only thing the Nvision has in my opinion is optical collimation. US core is great to have too
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Always welcome more competition. 13 is a lot but if it’s comparable to the Vodoo I’m all in tbh. Less the iRay is better of course. I’m hoping to have the guide TB630lrf by January to see how it fairs. Derek spoke highly of them when i asked about that unit. The dnt hydra thus far has been great for the money but i can’t see using anything past 4x magnification and really using it for anything past 300yds.
 
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rlsmith1 said:
$13k would be a pass for me, this has been in the works so long iray has a 10um clip on coming with LRF / ballistics onboard too.

At this point one of the only thing the Nvision has in my opinion is optical collimation. US core is great to have too
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So the legit collimated clip on part is what is most important to me along with the ability to take high magnification.

If it does that, it'll beat anything Iray puts out. The biggest issue with all the iray and others is the lack of ability to truly collimate them (digital adjustments are too much vs 1/10th mil ect) and them actually being able to take 18x magnification without looking at minecraft creatures.

If they can solve that, or give me a cooled unit for way under 60k, then I'd say it'll be worth it.

At 13k for no on board LRF and ballistics, I'll pick up a ELR.
 
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CrazyDoc said:
So the legit collimated clip on part is what is most important to me along with the ability to take high magnification.

If it does that, it'll beat anything Iray puts out. The biggest issue with all the iray and others is the lack of ability to truly collimate them (digital adjustments are too much vs 1/10th mil ect) and them actually being able to take 18x magnification without looking at minecraft creatures.

If they can solve that, or give me a cooled unit for way under 60k, then I'd say it'll be worth it.

At 13k for no on board LRF and ballistics, I'll pick up a ELR.
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I hear you. For what it’s worth, the iray rl25v2 I’ve got works well to 6x or so and that’s a 384 core big if a 25mm lens. It takes more adjusting night to night than the NOX18 I have but clip on performance is really good for what I paid. Collimation is its downfall, it’s not super precise but it was good enough to let me kill 4 coyotes in about a minute on one stand late last year.

These long range clip ons really do mandate optical collimation because even a pixel difference in shift can be the difference.

We will see, I’m patient and hopeful Nvision crushes it at a great price point!
 
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CrazyDoc said:
So the legit collimated clip on part is what is most important to me along with the ability to take high magnification.

If it does that, it'll beat anything Iray puts out. The biggest issue with all the iray and others is the lack of ability to truly collimate them (digital adjustments are too much vs 1/10th mil ect) and them actually being able to take 18x magnification without looking at minecraft creatures.

If they can solve that, or give me a cooled unit for way under 60k, then I'd say it'll be worth it.

At 13k for no on board LRF and ballistics, I'll pick up a ELR.
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The one pictured has a LRF and i had rumor there is a 35mm version that doesn’t have LRF. But for sure i want it to.
 
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5RWill said:
My only counterpoint to this is the footage of American stuff that I’ve seen is light years ahead of anything Chinese. Look at Derek Duncan’s review of the guide TB1250lrf. First 1250 sensored clip on. Then look at a video of the Vodoo M it’s not remotely comparable despite the resolution difference. Now I’m sure as AI upscaling continues to be integrated into thermal. The performance of lower res units will continually be improved upon. But i mean the difference in these units is astonishing. And the lesser looking one at least on video has near double the resolution of its thermal sensor.


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Sensor resolution is just one piece of the (clip on) optical formula. That 1280 sensor sits behind a smaller objective lens than the Voodoo M which means less magnification (and worse performance at distance but wider field of view).

In oversimplified terms:
Sensor Size = Resolution
Objective Size (technically focal length) = Field of View

High Res Sensor + Large Objective = Great for long range but limited FOV up close
High Res Sensor + Small Objective = Great FOV but limited long range performance

Lots of other factors at play as I understand it (sensor sensitivity, quality of materials, eyepiece construction etc.) that ultimately go into the viewing experience of a clip on.

The Voodoo has a great sensor, best materials, and a large objective which make it awesome as a longer distance clip on (still reasonable FOV from specs I've seen compared to other units I've owned). The TB1250 has a large sensor but can't handle the same magnification due to a smaller objective lens and lesser quality materials.

That's how my non-science brain looks at these things, there are other experts who have replied here that can give much better (hands on) info
 
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