When do you say, well that is as good as it is going to shoot.

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The rifle in question is a "low number" 1903, with a 10-18 barrel. So chances are it has not seen much use in any of the world wars. The barrel is in good shape for its age.

According to my research:

Standard accuracy for the 1903 was generally around a 2-4 inch grouping at 100 yards.

And mine is running in the 4" range no matter what I try, heavy bullets, light bullets, deeper seating, just a kiss off the lands. The only thing I have not tried are hot loads, right smack dab in the middle of the manuals is where I have been loading them. I even tried some "youth" loads with 125gr bullets. Nothing will move it below 3". I have also tossed the powder drawer at it with no real differences.

I think this old girl is what she is. I bet I have done 200 rounds of testing 5 to 10 rounds at a time. I have 25 of the best so far loaded up, cleaned it to where it is likely better then it was when it left the factory, and as soon as my darn back calms down I will run it out and see how she does. My trapdoor groups better than this old gal.

Question is, two fold. Any suggestions on something I might have missed, and two when do you say.....well this is as good as she does.

In practical terms it is minute of man at 100 all day long.....and really that is what it was made to do.
 
Not sure where your accuracy information comes from but a 1903 is generally much better than that.
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In other words all over the place.
 
I have a 1903a4 that i struggled with 3 - 4” groups. I tried various bullets and powders with no success. I have a bunch of mil surplus match ammo, so I tried some of the brass in reloads which got me to 1” groups. So maybe try different brass…
 
Bedding would be my guess.

After that… barrel or crown.

@fpgt72 have you tried any actual surplus match or ball ammo?

Also, a really good rest/bag setup? Assume you are shooting irons as well. Which gets harder to do as our eyes get older. So hard to compare with a modern rifle off a bipod with a good scope.

3” at 100 as the accuracy standard? I don’t have a period reference book or actual Springfield Armory “requirements” docs handy. But I would expect that the design specifications would be “better”‘than that. Though that may be the expectations for a good rifleman on a range back when issued. Especially with iron sights.

Maybe try some original lake city match .30-06 and a really good rest setup. At 100 with good environmental conditions.

Too bad you can’t (temporarily) scope one without messing it up. If PMcLaine were able to post, he might be able to help, too. This is his thing, bigtime!!

Maybe I can get him to look at the thread and post on his behalf.

But keep at it and keep us in the loop!

Sirhr
 
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Bedding would be my guess.

After that… barrel or crown.

@fpgt72 have you tried any actual surplus match or ball ammo?

Also, a really good rest/bag setup? Assume you are shooting irons as well. Which gets harder to do as our eyes get older. So hard to compare with a modern rifle off a bipod with a good scope.

3” at 100 as the accuracy standard? I don’t have a period reference book or actual Springfield Armory “requirements” docs handy. But I would expect that the design specifications would be “better”‘than that. Though that may be the expectations for a good rifleman on a range back when issued. Especially with iron sights.

Maybe try some original lake city match .30-06 and a really good rest setup. At 100 with good environmental conditions.

Too bad you can’t (temporarily) scope one without messing it up. If PMcLaine were able to post, he might be able to help, too. This is his thing, bigtime!!

Maybe I can get him to look at the thread and post on his behalf.

But keep at it and keep us in the loop!

Sirhr
No I have not tried "real" match ammo of any kind. In fact only one "store bought" box.... really to double check myself.

I have come across official docs but I would be dogged if I can find it again.

When I get back down there again I will update with some photos if I remember.
 
Oh yeah, it is irons and shot off the range bag no rear support, but I can do better than this. But perhaps I should take something down that I know I can shoot, I might have just fallen off a bit, old age is not kind.

I do catch myself starting to flinch I am not sure why but it is there, as well as some shakes.

Maybe have a buddy give it a try.
 
PMcLaine is watching the thread and asked me to relay the following message:

‘03’s Shoot Just Fine!


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His computer was hacked, BTW and until he gets a new one, his login is stuck/locked.

If you want to get in direct touch fgpt…. Let me know and I can ask him if it’s ok to share his cell with you!

Cheers! Sirhr
 
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To your point about flinching, my 03a3 is the only rifle I shoot with a shoulder pad. I’ve got 300 win mags and other manner of big guns. Some with recoil pads some not. Anyway, I couldn’t shoot my 03 worth a crap because that steel butt plate beat the hell out of me and it wasn’t fun. $30 investment changed the accuracy of the gun. It was the archer in this case for me. So, 03s are accurate and if you remove the bullet from the equation then it could easily be you.
 
I am going to change this to as good as YOU are going to shoot. It is the eyes I am pretty sure.

I present a target of the last 10 rounds from today.

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Now the first thing you are going to say is why 4 read pasties....Well with the progressives I can see one, but the sight is a blur, I need to start moving my head across the progressive area of the lenses to get the sights in focus, when I do that I loose the target. So in shooting with the progressives, what most of this target is that has been taped I tilt my head back to line up the sights then tilt my head forward to see the target then take the shot. I may go back and forth a time or two, but the results are not very good at all.

So I use my "computer" glasses, they are fixed to about 6' and the sights are nice and clear, but if only one pastie is on the target I can't see it, I can't see two, so I stick up four, and that is a struggle. I think the one in the cardboard is likely the last one as my eyes started to really bother me trying to focus. I had shot a total of 25 rounds today, and by the end I had a hell of a time seeing the target, the sights still nice and clear, but the target, no dice.

I think the vertical string is a by product of that. I need the front sight on something pretty contrasting to pick it up even with the close up glasses, and I just raise till I start to see the orange fuzz of the sticker. When shooting I had a feeling I was not holding in the same place, it just felt off, but I took the shot anyway. I am really thinking this is the issue.

Even sitting here home now and typing this post the letters on the page are a bit fuzzy, I think my eyes are stressed and need a rest, they burn a bit.

So in a nutshell I think with my current eye setup this is where I am. I did ask a question about glasses a bit ago and have an appt with the eye dr in Oct IIRC. I will talk to him then about this issue and if there is anything they can do for me, or if it is what it is with these eyes. I have wore glasses my entire life if that matters.

Oh well thats my story and I am sticking to it. For the record this is what I am shooting off of.

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