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Official Mark 7 Apex10/Revolution **All things Mark 7 Thread**
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Im a LONG time Dillon user. I have multiple 1050's automated with Ammobot's, 2x 650's and had a 550c for many years I just sold 2 weeks ago.
In light of looking for more stations, specifically for powder check and better sensors and on press primer fill, I am making the switch to fully loaded all options Apex 10's.
I decided to sell my fully loaded/upgraded dedicated 9mm Super 1050 first. Once I have the new 9mm Apex10 up and running and cranking out ammo, Ill then get another one to replace my automated 556 1050 thats also fully upgraded. What Ill do with my second 1050 im not sure yet. I MAY just keep it for 556 brass processing only. Not sure yet.
Thanks to Al and the people over at Mark 7, they gave me a great deal so it made sense to just get all the options and not mess around.
I got the following on the way:
Apex10 Automated Reloading Package - 9mm
Xprime
SwageSense
BulletSense
Digital Powder Check
DecapSense
Primer Orientation Sensor
Looking forward to this package arriving and getting it setup and dialed in.
In light of looking for more stations, specifically for powder check and better sensors and on press primer fill, I am making the switch to fully loaded all options Apex 10's.
I decided to sell my fully loaded/upgraded dedicated 9mm Super 1050 first. Once I have the new 9mm Apex10 up and running and cranking out ammo, Ill then get another one to replace my automated 556 1050 thats also fully upgraded. What Ill do with my second 1050 im not sure yet. I MAY just keep it for 556 brass processing only. Not sure yet.
Thanks to Al and the people over at Mark 7, they gave me a great deal so it made sense to just get all the options and not mess around.
I got the following on the way:
Apex10 Automated Reloading Package - 9mm
Xprime
SwageSense
BulletSense
Digital Powder Check
DecapSense
Primer Orientation Sensor
Looking forward to this package arriving and getting it setup and dialed in.
Really looking forward to on press automatic primer refills with the X-Prime and no longer having to fill primer tubes! I doubt anyone has an experience with this since it doesnt release until next month but I have one coming the package. Game changer.
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Finally received my Apex 10 autodrive and all but 1 sensor and X-Prime... they are on backorder.
Got it assembled last night and started throwing in dies and adjusting to test it out.
I have a Lyman Pro 9mm die pack coming this week. Started setting it up with my current 9mm dies to test it out.
Really liking this thing so far!
Got it assembled last night and started throwing in dies and adjusting to test it out.
I have a Lyman Pro 9mm die pack coming this week. Started setting it up with my current 9mm dies to test it out.
Really liking this thing so far!
Got all my existing dies from my 9mm 1050 dialed in along with powder charge and MBF for my Xtreme 165gr N340 sub load. Wanted to test it out while waiting for my Lyman Pro die pack
Im all out of subs my MP5 and AR9 so I figured let me test this thing out running off a few thousand..
Ammo is rolling off. This thing is sssooo smooth compared to my 1050/Ammobot. No jerkeyness or spilt powder. Can't wait to turn this thing up and let it eat!
Im all out of subs my MP5 and AR9 so I figured let me test this thing out running off a few thousand..
Ammo is rolling off. This thing is sssooo smooth compared to my 1050/Ammobot. No jerkeyness or spilt powder. Can't wait to turn this thing up and let it eat!
Few tips & notes for rifle & precision:
- You must run a die that holds brass in place over the priming station if you want to prime on press
- Purchase the HD TH Jack Bolt
- Torquing everything down with the toolhead lowered is important (jack bolt, guide rod bushings, etc)
- Decapping is one of the most critical steps for loading on a progressive... if you know, you know
- Strip out 100% of the swaging nonsense, run a universal decap on the decap station & a secondary decap on the swage station (FL sizer w/ decap or whatever)
- The casefeeder opening is adjustable - if you're spilling brass, this is >50% your issue
- The A10 index pawl will not stay timed no matter what you do or how hard you try. C'est la vie.
- If you're getting more than 0.002" headspace ES, it's because you suck at lubing brass or your sizer has lube built up in it. I can keep ES under 0.0015" across 300pc if I'm careful (yes muh calipers, don't @ me)
- M7 mechanical powder throwers are sensitive to fill level & would likely benefit greatly from a vibrator. It's still pretty impressive... 9/10 throws are ~+/-0.04gr, then 1/10 will be 0.1 to 0.2gr over. I'm pretty sure this is caused by powder settling in the hopper
- M7 mechical powder thrower has a break-in period, lightly lubing the compliance assembly does help with consistency prior to finishing break in. I'd manually cycle it a few hundred times prior to ever putting powder in it
- M7 powder alarms spill spherical everywhere. Cleanly file a crosshatch on the end of the brass probe tip with a rough bastard to break surface tension (75% reduction in spill volume)
- My $10 ebay 3d printed powder funnel works just as well as my $80 Entirely Crimson, although the QD on the EC is much better. You can also just press fit a cheap RCBS plastic funnel onto the top of an M7 powder funnel
- FW Arms/Dillon auto-centering decap dies suck. Also they will back out if you don't torque the piss out of the lock ring
- Seater dies with a sliding collar (Redding, Forster, Matchmaster) will not work unless you cut 1/2" off the sleeve
- Lyman Pro Seater Dies produce TIR comparable to any other standard seating die (I'm excepting MP/SAC/etc), but must have their stems honed
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So I ran into something I havent experienced with my 9mm 1050...
Im still waiting on my Mark 7 Digital Powder check thats on backorder. So I installed my Double Alpha Magnetic Powder Check until the Mark 7 one arrives...
Im slowly one by one installing all the Mark 7 sensors. I have the Mark 7 DecapSense installed but turned off because Im running new primed brass right now. I installed the Mark 7 BulletSense yesterday and man its a lifesaver for upside down or toppling off bullets when your getting everything dialed in. I found out this isnt really an issue when running same headstamp. But I ran some primed mix headstamp brass yesterday and thats when your expander set for one headstamp isnt exactly correct for other headstamps and you get some toppling bullets after the MBF sometimes so the BulletSense stops the press when that happens which is great.
But... I ran into a powder issue yesterday. Im running 3.6gr of VV N340 which Ive loaded and shot 10's of thousands of. Thats my go to 9mm subsonic load for many many years. Awesome load, never had any issues loading it on my Dillon.
During my run yesterday the DAA powder check would go off every 20 rounds or so. I would manually stop the press and sure enough, there would be either no powder or 2-3 kernels in that case. Id pull that case and restart. It did this every 20rd or so which had me really worried. That powder check cant come soon enough.
N340 is a very very small stick powder. I can only assume its bridging or something in this Mark 7 mechanical powder measure... I have the hopper filled all the way up... I ran a bunch of rounds and tapped the side of the hopper a bunch to get everything settled in the beginning when setting it up, weighing each charge on my A&D to ensure I had it dialed it and consistent which it is...
Im going to call Mark 7 today and see what they have to say but never had this issue on my 1050... Maybe Im missing something..
Im still waiting on my Mark 7 Digital Powder check thats on backorder. So I installed my Double Alpha Magnetic Powder Check until the Mark 7 one arrives...
Im slowly one by one installing all the Mark 7 sensors. I have the Mark 7 DecapSense installed but turned off because Im running new primed brass right now. I installed the Mark 7 BulletSense yesterday and man its a lifesaver for upside down or toppling off bullets when your getting everything dialed in. I found out this isnt really an issue when running same headstamp. But I ran some primed mix headstamp brass yesterday and thats when your expander set for one headstamp isnt exactly correct for other headstamps and you get some toppling bullets after the MBF sometimes so the BulletSense stops the press when that happens which is great.
But... I ran into a powder issue yesterday. Im running 3.6gr of VV N340 which Ive loaded and shot 10's of thousands of. Thats my go to 9mm subsonic load for many many years. Awesome load, never had any issues loading it on my Dillon.
During my run yesterday the DAA powder check would go off every 20 rounds or so. I would manually stop the press and sure enough, there would be either no powder or 2-3 kernels in that case. Id pull that case and restart. It did this every 20rd or so which had me really worried. That powder check cant come soon enough.
N340 is a very very small stick powder. I can only assume its bridging or something in this Mark 7 mechanical powder measure... I have the hopper filled all the way up... I ran a bunch of rounds and tapped the side of the hopper a bunch to get everything settled in the beginning when setting it up, weighing each charge on my A&D to ensure I had it dialed it and consistent which it is...
Im going to call Mark 7 today and see what they have to say but never had this issue on my 1050... Maybe Im missing something..
Been running a Mk7 for awhile and it's been a learning curve...
The Primer Xpress was a joke. Never worked correctly. Replaced it with a Hit Factor collator, what a god send. Highly recommended.
Hated the Mk7 power checker, pulled powder out of the cases and made a mess. Replaced it with a laser powder checker along with a different laser bullet checker. The original laser sensor is a shit-show involving a mirror, gross adjustment screws and you always bump it out of alignment while working around the shell plate.
I also HIGHLY suggest the range panda CNC bullet feeder adjustment to replace the BS factory Mr. Bullet feeder shim system. The engineer at MBF should be kicked in the dick for that abortion.
The Primer Xpress was a joke. Never worked correctly. Replaced it with a Hit Factor collator, what a god send. Highly recommended.
Hated the Mk7 power checker, pulled powder out of the cases and made a mess. Replaced it with a laser powder checker along with a different laser bullet checker. The original laser sensor is a shit-show involving a mirror, gross adjustment screws and you always bump it out of alignment while working around the shell plate.
I also HIGHLY suggest the range panda CNC bullet feeder adjustment to replace the BS factory Mr. Bullet feeder shim system. The engineer at MBF should be kicked in the dick for that abortion.
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I have the BulletSense running good right now on a 1500rd run.. Yes those 2 tiny allen laser adjustement screws are super sensitive.
In regards to the range panda bullet feeder... Ive been using the DAA pre-set noseguides for a while now and they are great. I have one setup for each bullet I load, just slide it in.. The Range Panda looks very similar, just CNC instead of plastic.
What powder and bullet sensors are you using right now instead of the Mark 7? I see your pics says sub-moa but not finding anything with a search.
I had the DAA nose guides as well but the RP kicks the hell out of those. The DAA moves adjustments too, there is no lock like on the RP. You can also hand adjust it without a wrench.
Join the MK7 Reloaders group on FB and look up John Stuhmiller. He makes the Sub-MOA equipment. Way better than the MK7 offerings. Super simple to set up, no spilled powder and no more fucking with the stupid mirrors, set screws and BS.
I hate having to tinker with shit that was functioning fine yesterday. The addition of the primer collator, RP and the Sub MOA I just turn on the press and keep it fed. Cheers.
Ive never had any adjustments move on my DAA nose guides, and I have 100's of thousands of rounds on them on my automated 1050s.. the RP looks really nice but until I have an issue with these I dont need to change. I have 10-15 of them set for each bullet
I already purchased the new Mark 7 X-Prime that ships in the next few weeks.. looks similar in design to the Hit factory. I guess we will see how it works.
Well just an update on the random empty case with no powder. Talked to Mark 7 today and even though I adjusted the powder measure per the directions, they suggested I turn the die down further so there is still a little springback tension on the arm but not as much as I had...
And they said to run the press faster at 2000 RPH vs the 1000RPH i wad running and to set the dwells to 3-0-2 due to the stick powder of VV N340.
I made the adjustments and just ran off 500rd of 165gr and 1500rd of 147gr subs and it never happened again.
I am getting a damn case dropping sideways into the case feeder funnel and causing a backup of spilling cases which is driving me nuts...
And they said to run the press faster at 2000 RPH vs the 1000RPH i wad running and to set the dwells to 3-0-2 due to the stick powder of VV N340.
I made the adjustments and just ran off 500rd of 165gr and 1500rd of 147gr subs and it never happened again.
I am getting a damn case dropping sideways into the case feeder funnel and causing a backup of spilling cases which is driving me nuts...
I haven't loaded any pistol... but on rifle, feeding is very sensitive to the case feeder opening. What worked for 6.5cm (1.915") would feed 25x47 (1.840") upside down about 20-30% of the time & about 5% would completely miss the plastic funnel. Closing it a tiny bit completely fixed the issue.
So pistol it has to be 100% open..
Im being told to slow down the case feeder and only 100-200 cases at a time. Ill try messing with speed and capacity
I got the SSI Vortex Apex and DAA pistol plate with Apex 10 clutch adapter installed. Cases dropping out the case feeder is now lightning fast with no jams or upside down cases.. problem solved
I have the CNC XRAY powder measure with their 9mm Apex funnel and DramWorx Fat Boy on the way.
Pistol Powder Dropper | S&S Innovations https://share.google/eQTMUGT3f5VsuVAdc
I have the CNC XRAY powder measure with their 9mm Apex funnel and DramWorx Fat Boy on the way.
Pistol Powder Dropper | S&S Innovations https://share.google/eQTMUGT3f5VsuVAdc
Got my Sub-Moa Digital Laser Bullet and Powder checks from John installed and running great!
I have Nick's primer feeder here to install next
I have Nick's primer feeder here to install next
I just ran off 4500rd of 147gr subs using the new sensors.. just keep everything fed is all I have to do now. Stupid easy...
Im currently running new primed brass but once I run through all that im going to start feeding primers with Nicks Gross Engineering primer feeder.
Xray CNC powder measure will be here Monday
Is your pawl staying timed the whole time, or is the shell plate being advanced by the alignment pins?
Do you know how precise these are supposed to be?
So far so good on my pawl staying timed... I have just about 10,000rd on it now
Im told the Xray is fucking awesome and arr super precise. I guess we will see
For those that aren't familiar with the Xray CNC italian powder throw. Here a link to a video overview S&S Innovations did, the USA reseller who i bought mine from.
Man, this thing is a work of art and top notch quality and machine work. The click adjustable powder knob feels like my March scope turret. Hahaha.
Ill definitely be buying a second one for my other press...
You HAVE to buy the powder funnel from S&S Innovations to work on Mark 7.. can use your dillon powder funnels on Dillon machines
Man, this thing is a work of art and top notch quality and machine work. The click adjustable powder knob feels like my March scope turret. Hahaha.
Ill definitely be buying a second one for my other press...
You HAVE to buy the powder funnel from S&S Innovations to work on Mark 7.. can use your dillon powder funnels on Dillon machines
^^ Those are nice, looks like they are super smooth too. Thanks Padom, something for my wish list on my 1050.
Here's a quick video of the Xray running at the 3500rd mark smooth as butter
. Running off the last 10,000 147gr N340 subs
Adjustment and consistency is great..
. Running off the last 10,000 147gr N340 subs
Adjustment and consistency is great..
Glad I stumbled onto this thread. I'm in for the Mark 7 X-Prime feed back, as I've been eyeing grabbing this as well. Please let us know how it works out for you.
Grabbed the SSI bullet funnel on these recommendations as well, as the Bullet Feeder issues has by far been the weak link for stoppages for me.
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I canceled X Prime. Delayed release. I grabbed the Gross Engineering primer bowl which everyone loves and way cheaper at $410...
Do you mean the SSI Vortex case feed funnel.
I picked up one of these.
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The problem I've been having is bullets getting sideways in the DAA dropper, then backing up the feed plate off its gear. Still waiting for delivery of this new dropper, so I havent actually tried it yet. To be honest though, that stoppage problem seemed to be a lot more of an issue with MG bullets. Since I ran out of those, and moved over to Zero, I've been seeing it a lot less (for whatever reason).
I've also seen the bridging problem in the powder hopper that you mentioned. But its been pretty rare for me using N320, I see it probably once every 2000 rounds or so. Pretty annoying it happens, but the digital powder check always catches it.
If I can ask, where you guys getting info on Apex 10 modifications. I've been struggling to find a good online source for 3rd party mods / user tricks.
Reloading - For the Bullet Feeder - Shooting Sports Innovations
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The problem I've been having is bullets getting sideways in the DAA dropper, then backing up the feed plate off its gear. Still waiting for delivery of this new dropper, so I havent actually tried it yet. To be honest though, that stoppage problem seemed to be a lot more of an issue with MG bullets. Since I ran out of those, and moved over to Zero, I've been seeing it a lot less (for whatever reason).
I've also seen the bridging problem in the powder hopper that you mentioned. But its been pretty rare for me using N320, I see it probably once every 2000 rounds or so. Pretty annoying it happens, but the digital powder check always catches it.
If I can ask, where you guys getting info on Apex 10 modifications. I've been struggling to find a good online source for 3rd party mods / user tricks.
I picked up one of these.
Reloading - For the Bullet Feeder - Shooting Sports Innovations
The problem I've been having is bullets getting sideways in the DAA dropper, then backing up the feed plate off its gear. Still waiting for delivery of this new dropper, so I havent actually tried it yet. To be honest though, that stoppage problem seemed to be a lot more of an issue with MG bullets. Since I ran out of those, and moved over to Zero, I've been seeing it a lot less (for whatever reason).
I've also seen the bridging problem in the powder hopper that you mentioned. But its been pretty rare for me using N320, I see it probably once every 2000 rounds or so. Pretty annoying it happens, but the digital powder check always catches it.
If I can ask, where you guys getting info on Apex 10 modifications. I've been struggling to find a good online source for 3rd party mods / user tricks.
Gotcha. Ive never had any issues with my bulletfeeder.
