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  1. fargo007

    As 2014 Approaches does this need to be addressed ?

    I would name such a stage: JAZZZ HANDS.... ZAAAAH!
  2. fargo007

    As 2014 Approaches does this need to be addressed ?

    I would say to make that decision among other changes in year 2 and start it off simple with a simple Gas gun class for now and that's that. There really aren't that many running gas guns in the local matches I ran for the past four years. As much as I want it, not enough to justify the...
  3. fargo007

    As 2014 Approaches does this need to be addressed ?

    You mean like gas/223 and gas/other?
  4. fargo007

    As 2014 Approaches does this need to be addressed ?

    Growing the sport means stopping the arms race SOMEWHERE. Gas gun, DMR, or making the classes work, I think there needs to be room to cultivate that. I wouldn't get into the weeds with which reticle, scope, etc. No disagreement. I'm concerned only that the lines are set right...
  5. fargo007

    As 2014 Approaches does this need to be addressed ?

    That's one way to go after it, and it would work although I would prefer the problem were solved from a higher altitude for a few reasons. Namely it's by nomenclature, and not by performance, which is what matters and how the line should be drawn. As your sample numbers pointed out, if it's...
  6. fargo007

    As 2014 Approaches does this need to be addressed ?

    Remember the focus is to try and grow the sport. Having a limited class that's so utterly limited that all it winds up containing is a .223 and 105 amax's at nearly 3100fps is insane. "Go get a bigger/faster gun" sounds too much like "no place for you here." Telling people they are in the...
  7. fargo007

    As 2014 Approaches does this need to be addressed ?

    Peace/Bohem, Good catch.... I think you guys have revealed a hole in the screen door. Launch a real rat turd of a bullet (low BC) real fast to still get the velocity. 3089fps 105 amax in the same class as a 77 SMK/2770 isn't what anyone intended. That could be addressed with a flat...
  8. fargo007

    As 2014 Approaches does this need to be addressed ?

    Let's agree that match directors generally apply target sizes and distances reasonably and consistently. Or shooters don't come back. I'm not aware of any match using targets the size of barn doors at distance. Basically, your observation might be true, but it can't be compared...
  9. fargo007

    As 2014 Approaches does this need to be addressed ?

    Thanks bohem. Someday you gotta tell me WTF that name means. For the ADF: Are you going with the Avg. shot/10 or the Avg. shot/100? I would strongly recommend the 10, otherwise the most objective match-to-match comparator we have becomes statistically meaningless. Still needs to be...
  10. fargo007

    As 2014 Approaches does this need to be addressed ?

    I roughed your scenario a couple different ways and added them to my spreadsheet. Actually this is a new sheet called Bob-Fred-Joe. These are just hamhock swag numbers. The second comparison list them with the distance factor as a 10x instead of a 1x. I like the influence this has on...
  11. fargo007

    As 2014 Approaches does this need to be addressed ?

    I updated the spreadsheet to include the SAV and to compute the final TRL# off the curve score. Thanks guys, I just needed to go through this exercise to fully understand it see how it will look, and to measure how much work it would be for an MD. How much work? NOT MUCH. A few extra...
  12. fargo007

    As 2014 Approaches does this need to be addressed ?

    Makes sense to me. I would recommend to shape it a little differently considering most local matches I attend in two states are usually 20 shooters max, with the larger ones being the 24's and 25's. So start that off at 1-20, 21-50, etc. It makes the local match that manages to grow a...
  13. fargo007

    As 2014 Approaches does this need to be addressed ?

    Both models share the distance curve (+4 in my example), which I think worked out to a fantastic idea. That's an objective, easily computed, and universally fair factor. Neither the TRL nor the leader-curve model account for the fact that serious points can be earned by showing up at a five...
  14. fargo007

    As 2014 Approaches does this need to be addressed ?

    I did my own case study on this based on our 2013 series just to see what would be involved for me as an MD. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AtSr2kaqAtDtdFJybUpXcnRZZXVqZTIyeWlocDNvTUE&output=html It wasn't oppressive at all. I computed the average shot distance by...
  15. fargo007

    As 2014 Approaches does this need to be addressed ?

    A walk through of this part would do me some good as well.
  16. fargo007

    As 2014 Approaches does this need to be addressed ?

    Crawl, walk, run. You have a good framework to start with in regards to the BCV and the two classes (maybe three if we add gas gun which I hope for and recommend). I say you kick it off with that. Discussing things that are entirely the Match Director's domain is a waste of time and a...
  17. fargo007

    As 2014 Approaches does this need to be addressed ?

    Thanks bro, it was said with love in my heart. One of the major benefits I see to this is that it prevents match design from being strapped to the back of the gear race. After a while, stages start to get designed with the uppermost competitive tier of equipment in mind. And THAT is...
  18. fargo007

    As 2014 Approaches does this need to be addressed ?

    Most of the stuff you mention is far less of a factor than the BCV that has been mentioned. I haven't seen a 6CM, 6XC, 6c47 or.243AI with a ncstar on it (yet). Past that, you forget that as the all-powerful Match Director, I get to say what you can, and cannot use, and what you can and...
  19. fargo007

    As 2014 Approaches does this need to be addressed ?

    This would not work. Those two sports are incompatible on their face. Anything done in the real world with a precision rifle is based on patience and accuracy. It's also one shooter at a time. Which is why the stages are shot in 30-45 seconds. It doesn't work out time-motion-wise with...
  20. fargo007

    Training Courses Long Range classes near Long Island NY?

    Just checking in to make sure you got all the info you needed. I get a lot of emails but I can't associate them with an ID here. Just let me know if you need anything else. We do train a lot of folks from NY, both city and upstate. --Fargo007
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