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  1. Hoffer

    100 yard practice work for ELR

    338, 338 imp, 375 Cheytac
  2. Hoffer

    100 yard practice work for ELR

    I shoot at 100 yards and go straight to 2000+ and it works fine for me. Good for technique as minimal wind variances. That said you have no wind calling experience at 100 yards. After a couple times at distance you will have some dope to fine tune from. I use .700" dots on target
  3. Hoffer

    Elephant in the "ELR" Room

    The limits have been pretty much set as far as ELR C records are concerned with their rules for "world records". This most likely because of the past "world records" claimed. I am am all in favor of limited rules, but once a set of rules are in place as in ELR C you need an entity to oversee...
  4. Hoffer

    Elephant in the "ELR" Room

    Whatever happens it will be an interesting year
  5. Hoffer

    Elephant in the "ELR" Room

    I know there are over 50 people contributing. I think its great AB got the ball rolling. Now that it is rolling you need a board or over-site committee to be formed. Your can't continue to have a meeting of 50 people once a year now that the rules are formed. When I ask who is ELR C the...
  6. Hoffer

    Elephant in the "ELR" Room

    It goes without saying the AB guys are the best. No doubt about it. 95% chance they will hold the "world record" for a long time. That is exactly why it has to be run by a separate/unaffiliated entity.
  7. Hoffer

    Elephant in the "ELR" Room

    As of now ELR C is 100%AB. There are many contributing to the effort and that is a good thing. All I want is a diverse board of 5-8 people to oversee or to control ELR C. If AB gets the record at the Vegas event they have the ELR C record that only has AB staff to oversee it. I hope this is...
  8. Hoffer

    questions on bullet angle and ricohet

    As far as ricochets check your velocity at target on your calculator. Even at very long distances velocity can be well over 1000 FPS. Thats more that a 45 ACP at the muzzle. I also have been thinking about angle of impact at our 2000 yard targets. Usually when there is a miss that can't be...
  9. Hoffer

    Anyone watch Mark and Sam on YouTube?

    I think most people know of them. They are having a good time down under doing their own thing
  10. Hoffer

    ERL Central vs KO2M

    So perhaps instead of ELR be laser focused on ultimate distance it may just spread into many other forms of competition already being shot today. PRS, benchrest and new formats not even thought of yet. I am very happy this thread has not gone the way most threads do. Good crowd!
  11. Hoffer

    Magnetospeed T1000 Target Hit Indicator

    If anyone could break it you would be the guy Kurt!
  12. Hoffer

    ERL Central vs KO2M

    Not really about what the rules are. More who will lead and who will follow or will they eventually combine with one set of rules
  13. Hoffer

    ERL Central vs KO2M

    The 36" target is the major flaw. Look at KO2M. Only one hit past 3300 ever on a much larger target during competition. 1 MOA would be reasonable, but still realistic. 36" past 3600 would be exponentially harder thus limiting the max "world record" range. With a 36" plate when the record gets...
  14. Hoffer

    ERL Central vs KO2M

    I'm not saying if you weighed everything it would be 40lb. You would have to raise the weight limit to say for instance 70 lb so that it would still be in the man carry-able realm. Awesome shooting with your 50 cal BTW. Heck awesome shooting with any caliber! It is an unusual circumstance that...
  15. Hoffer

    ERL Central vs KO2M

    I believe anything needed on the line including spotting scopes with tripods, mats, rests etc should be in the weight limit. If you have to carry it in it should be weighed. I could have a 40lb "mat" for a nice stable platform and I believe that should also be counted in the overall weight. Too...
  16. Hoffer

    ERL Central vs KO2M

    Theoretical topic for discussion .. not for flaming, just actual conversation It seems with the start of the "world record" ELR Central there will be a natural split between the KO2M style and "world record " events. KO2M is the top long range format as of now with them setting the rules of ELR...
  17. Hoffer

    Elr central world record event

    It will be interesting to see how the 2019 KO2M rules with the 40lb weight limit will affect the "world record" rules down the line.
  18. Hoffer

    Elr central world record event

    See rule #27 If more than one shooter scores 3 for 3 at a given distance, both shooters will hold the world record until another shooter goes 3 for 3 at a longer distance. Assuming #27 is for this event only
  19. Hoffer

    Elr central world record event

    Don't think Mark and Sam would show. I have been in contact with them and the reason they do what they do is to keep away from the BS of competitions. Tends to turn people into prize table warriors. They are happy doing their own thing without restrictive rules and progressing the sport on their...
  20. Hoffer

    Elr central world record event

    You can also tie a record which does not make sense to me. You could theoretically have 50 shooters tie for a record at this event. A record should be broken by a minimum amount ... say 1% for example.
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