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    Rifle Scopes NF ATACR vs Vortex Razor

    FM regarding the warranty...not being illusive. Both companies made it right in the end, and support thier products solidly. But the responsiveness and timeframe were quite a bit different. That was my individual experience, one data point. If your data card has 11.7, 9.8, 14.4, and 16.3 on it...
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    Rifle Scopes NF ATACR vs Vortex Razor

    Just now reading this post. Sounds like you're well versed. OP, lots of great choices, I'd get your hands on as many models as you can...as you can see these opinions are very individual...what's best for me is obviously different for FM...and likely will be for you. It wasn't that long ago...
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    Rifle Scopes NF ATACR vs Vortex Razor

    Fenix Mike It appears as though you took my post personally? Are you involved with product development or associated with NF? I think my ATACR F1 is a great optic, definitely top shelf. I'd rather not get into warranty/reliability issues, but I do have personal experience with both...
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    Rifle Scopes NF ATACR vs Vortex Razor

    Warranty support process/response time, locking turrets, 10 mil vs 12 mil turrets, more forgiving eyebox, non-rotating ocular during mag adjustment, & price?
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    6.5 prc

    He may have watched one neck turning video, and said not for me! It's pretty sweet to have this many great choices....6.5 Swede/Creed/47 Lapua brass, PRC great performance with factory ammo support, SAUM/4S Norma brass top level performance...hard to go wrong, best to pick one and get good at...
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    Sig Kilo 2400 ABS App: Accounting for Temp/Pressure in your profile?

    Example above...load development/zero is done at home on a lead sled. Pre hunt zero is done off a 11" bipod and a bean rear bag off a shooting mat. In this example...lets assume in both cases the barrels (and shooter) is usually warmed up. Actual hunt conditions is built off your Elberstock and...
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    Sig Kilo 2400 ABS App: Accounting for Temp/Pressure in your profile?

    Snake, do you have the ability to verify/rezero at base camp before going up the mountain? Most folks zero POI shifts more than the enviros can effect it IMHO. You may have such a good grip on the fundamentals, that you can appreciate the zero atmo function though. There are shooters that...
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    6.5 prc

    6.5 PRC in Production Division seem like a viable angle, provided factory ammo shoots as good as the Hornady 6.5 Creed stuff does. Seems like that's the 6.5 PRC niche...factory ammo support. If building a custom....and mashing your own rounds...why not use 7 RSAUM Norma brass and either turn...
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    Rifle Scopes NF ATACR vs Vortex Razor

    Of course it's best to never need support in the first place.....but I suggest you call the support phone number for all the mfgs your considering. Envision in your own head, you just finished a local match, and have a significant event for the optic in the next 10-14 days. Ask what your...
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    Rifle Scopes So, what about Leupold Mark 5 ?

    For the Leupold drama queens in this thread....Why not wait until you see/use one before passing judgement? Why not just wait the market out 9-12 months...it'll either prove itself or it won't.
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    Rifle Scopes Why most of us have MIL scopes but accuracy is expressed in MOA?

    I know a 1:22 cm twist doesn't stabilize 6.5mm JLKs at 930 meters per second at 10M meters above sea level at 15C with a baro pressure of 1010mb.
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    Rifle Scopes Zero Compromise Optics

    If a guy puts down a deposit, but then the target prices (listed above) gets some vertical & "moves"... Is the deposit refunded?
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    Rifle Scopes Why most of us have MIL scopes but accuracy is expressed in MOA?

    Best post in the thread so far
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    Rifle Scopes Leupold Mk5 Lineup Pics

    http://www.military.com/video/guns/rifles/shot-show-2018-leupolds-new-mark-5hd-rifle-scopes/5718757949001
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    Rifle Scopes 2k budget for PRS scope

    Let me just throw this out there....and recommend you attempt to call the manufacturers your considering, tell them your in the market for a high end competition level optic, and ask them what customer expectations are if you were to encounter an issue. The spectrum of responses I received was...
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    Rifle Scopes 2k budget for PRS scope

    Kahles sure did put whooping on the market share of Nightforce, and S&B in this graph, and even pressure Vortex some.. Good on them to have vision(no pun) and leadership to be attentive to the PRS market. With the new ZCO offerings likely to splinter the high end market.... and if the new...
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    Andriod Ballistics Calculator

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.agilx.hornady&hl=en There's a bug you'll need to manually input Altitude when connected to your Kestrel
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    Rifle Scopes Vortex AMG?

    Nightforces break too though. Never having to use the warranty in the first place is the goal for everyone involved. With Vortex though...a large part of thier value stems from their VIP branded Warranty. But if that in actuality to be no more responsive than the Euro mfgs, then that might...
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    Rifle Scopes Vortex AMG?

    I'd be interested in hearing from those that have had a AMG break on them, how did Vortex treat you in terms of timing/satisfaction? How long were you out a scope? Were they proactive/responsive?
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    Kestrel Compass issues

    I think you've got it except...generally wind direction is expressed on the "heading" you'd be facing if you looked directly into the wind. Look up your local airport weather observation and stand outside and check the wind direction....it'll make sense. So in your example above if DOF is 225...
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