I ran 88 and 89grs with 230's through my 30-338 Norma Imp today (35* shoulder based on 338 Norma shoulder dimensions) , which was too low of charges, but the 89gr load shot a 3 shot group that was .120". The velocity was only 3000fps. I'll load 90-92 or 93 and see what I get next. 86grs of VV...