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    Badger M2013 Bolt Lift

    Just my 2 cents. I love my M2013. Here is me running the bolt. The object is to hit 5 4-inch steel circles at different ranges from 80 to 150 yards in under 10 seconds. I haven't done yet but it's fun trying. I am trying to illustrate that while the bolt lift is heavier than other actions it...
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    I think I might have the most accurate rifle I have ever owned. (LRI 6.5 Creedmoor)

    I love my .308 Badger M2013 that LRI did for me. I love the 10 shot group you have here. I shot a .2 inch 10 shot 100 yard group. It looked like a single shot from a .45 ACP with Norma match ammo. I have NEVER been able to shoot that way in my life. I thought that type of precision was for bench...
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    Badger M2013 or Defiance Deviant. Which would you pick?

    I sent my AICS to BO and they inletted it for $125 shipped and had it back to me in about a week.
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    Gunsmithing Thoughts on Badger Ordnance

    I have the M2013. I put it on an AICS. I sent the AICS to BO and they inletted it for me: less than a week. The sweetest, smoothest action I have is a Stiller Tac 30, but I have to say, the 2013 is something special. It has a unique character. Particularly if you get it with the round knob. It...
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    Rifle Scopes LaRue vs American Defense mounts

    Bobro Precision Optic 34mm Mount This has 34mm rings. He can customize them and give you 30 or 35mm rings as well.
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    Rifle Scopes LaRue vs American Defense mounts

    I have Bobro. It kicks ass. I actually spoke with him on the phone and he told me all about his system. I didn't really understand it. He has a double lever mount meant for Precision rifles. Lowlight--can you comment on Bobro
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    Gunsmithing Why do you need to true the bolt face?

    and I love it. It's like college or something
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    Gunsmithing Why do you need to true the bolt face?

    pawprint2- what I was thinking is that a "trial protocol" would be developed. This protocol could then be published and whoever wants to participate could. The problem is that I, like most of us, have to make a living. I agree with you, I bet that data is out there.
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    Gunsmithing Why do you need to true the bolt face?

    I love this idea! We can come up with a difference we're trying to find and then power the study accordingly. We'd have to get guys to do it, then this would be the equivalent of a multi-center study. We can get people who've had Remington 700s with actions and bolt faces trued. How do we know...
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    Gunsmithing Why do you need to true the bolt face?

    There are a myriad of things that we do to make our guns shoot better. Some of these things might even be worthwhile for some of us. One person's experience might be anecdotal. This does not mean it is not correct, just that it might not be statistically significant. I'll stray into the world...
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    Gunsmithing Why do you need to true the bolt face?

    Wow, I thought this thread was dead!? I was away doing my 2 week annual reserve training... Anyway, I am not suggesting that truing the bolt face will make it significantly weaker. I am suggesting that truing the bolt face beyond factory spec will not affect accuracy since there are so many...
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    Badger M2013 in 338LM

    Got it in my hot little hands! OK, prelim impressions: not as smooth as my Stiller Tac-30 but with use and lube, I am sure it's going to slick up. The bolt is tight. I wonder how those tight tolerances will work in a sandstorm? Like everyone else has already said, this thing has a pretty high...
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    Gunsmithing Why do you need to true the bolt face?

    One last thing on little things that matter. When I was with 3/6 in the early 80s, I underwent the 2nd Marine Div school sniper adventure training course. I believe it was call the Kopfenjaeger course. Don't quote me. I was NOT a sniper, it was for infantrymen who were thinking about becoming...
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    Gunsmithing Why do you need to true the bolt face?

    Threads take on lives of their own. But at the heart of my original intention is get just what is important and what isn't. I'll give you an example, one gunsmith tells me it is unnecessary to re-thread a Remington action and yet I will see others swear by it. It seems to me that of all the...
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    Gunsmithing Why do you need to true the bolt face?

    I think I agree with your list for both precision, accuracy and for brass life. Of course, since I started this thread questioning the use of 7, I will stipulate that 7 does not have to be altered from the way it comes from the factory. 2 things: I don't reload (I'm still chicken but I will...
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    Gunsmithing Why do you need to true the bolt face?

    This crown link is awesome. With regard to action truing, I think of it like the performance of a Philharmonic Orchestra. Eliminate a violin or 2 and it will make no detectable difference. Even if you eliminate a whole section, the other sections can compensate to give you a nice concert...
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    Gunsmithing Why do you need to true the bolt face?

    I understand if the bolt face is out of spec it will bend the brass. Presumably the factory bolt face should be within a specification to not allow this. So, DocB would you say that truing the bolt face should have no effect on accuracy and precision of the rifle?
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    Gunsmithing Why do you need to true the bolt face?

    I have looked at several videos on action truing and most of it makes sense (at least intuitively). For example, I can see why the action, bolt lugs, recoil lug and barrel have to all be perfectly level to each other and perpendicular to the bore. I can see why you need to cut new threads if the...
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    Badger M2013 in 338LM

    I am too lazy. For my action. I have a Rock M24 contour barrel, with lil' bastard brake to fit seamlessly, I am going to put it on an AICS. Not sure what colors: Cerkote vs DuraCoat. My AICS is Olive. I am going to send it to BO for inletting in the next couple of days. I want the round ball...
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    Gunsmithing Truth about blueprinting a Rem 700

    This is action with all the trimmings. It is still much lower price than a Stiller. At least I think $300 is significant.
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