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    Barrel Tuners and Bryan Litz’s vol. 3

    P effecting variables can be controlled , , that is real testing .
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    Barrel Tuners and Bryan Litz’s vol. 3

    What funny here is you are saying your gun shoots big groups one minute and small the next , do you realize how weird that sounds ? That is silly .lol
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    Barrel Tuners and Bryan Litz’s vol. 3

    That is real testing , controlling the variables , why can you not see that ?
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    Barrel Tuners and Bryan Litz’s vol. 3

    Tuners do no fix bad seating depth , there a a few factors involved with factory ammo that could prevent the tuner from fixing it . Bad bullets , light of uneven neck tension , but if that is all good then the tuner can fix it . It could be all of the above . Well eliminate the variables , it is...
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    Barrel Tuners and Bryan Litz’s vol. 3

    Then you have not controlled the variables . Most likely something changed . So find it and correct it , eliminate the noise , don’t just blame it on noise and call it unfixable or standard distribution . Use flags and I garrantee that noise can go away at 100 yards , use front and rear bags ...
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    Barrel Tuners and Bryan Litz’s vol. 3

    Set it up and I will build the gun ,but we do it my way first with a correct premise , then Brian can do any test he wants after that providing we are just showing that the tuner will tune the gun , not make it better.
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    Barrel Tuners and Bryan Litz’s vol. 3

    The nice thing about tuners is you can pick the velocity you want and tune the tuner to it . Can not do that without one .
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    Barrel Tuners and Bryan Litz’s vol. 3

    They have . Just not as much shots as you want . We tuned a rimfire the other day in 1 adjustment . Went from 1.5 inch groups to one hole groups . Then confirmed it , does not happen much but it happens . Ask Bruce when you see him next time .
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    Barrel Tuners and Bryan Litz’s vol. 3

    Not trying to discount that but I sm not going to shoot 300 rounds to adjust the tuner. Or even 30 shot groups between adjustments because there is no need to . Large samples will only be done after the final setting to confirm but not to get the gun in tune .
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    Barrel Tuners and Bryan Litz’s vol. 3

    I should add , my style of fixed weight tuners I use now is the result of movable weight tuners which have only been used in Benchrest many years ago .but now once set I do not need to adjust anymore so there is no need for a movable weight .
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    Barrel Tuners and Bryan Litz’s vol. 3

    I have as far as positive compensation and tuning , by way of graphs and target. Universal tuners I am still trying to dig up the tuner test results . But this was 2001 . Give me time I will find it . There were 3 points in testing . The first point was only tuner , second point was tuner...
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    Barrel Tuners and Bryan Litz’s vol. 3

    If we were to sit down at a bench and shoot my rifles I could demonstrate the effects in a few minutes with you shooting the gun would you accept that? Or would you say too small if a sample ?
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    Barrel Tuners and Bryan Litz’s vol. 3

    They do , it is just discounted say low shot counts , or they just do not completely understand the real effects involved , that is why I got involved , to show the effects and how to interpret those effects .it is very complicated and hard to explain . Everybody was hoping Bryan would show...
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    Barrel Tuners and Bryan Litz’s vol. 3

    Back to the original subject , when someone tells the whole industry that their products are not valid and the manufacturers are not telling the truth there is going to be repercussions or poking as Shane put it . That is wrong to do that even fully believing it to be true just to find out later...
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    Barrel Tuners and Bryan Litz’s vol. 3

    Do you ELR? No . If not why are you telling lies and say other people are doing exactly what you have been doing with insults , no data , nothing relevant to the discussion and saying no one wins matches . Then trying to give advice to me after the insults . You and tokay need to go . Otherwise...
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    Barrel Tuners and Bryan Litz’s vol. 3

    Oh that does not mean anything lol according to the trolls, but they sure say stuff that is not true then try to side step it lol.
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    Barrel Tuners and Bryan Litz’s vol. 3

    Just hilarious how the trolls say I am not winning anything then when are shown that I am winning they say oh that does not mean anything , lol. All they are about is detracting from the thread . The tuners users know the truth and it is obvious the trolls do not have a clue but want everybody...
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    Barrel Tuners and Bryan Litz’s vol. 3

    Lol, you are the one saying I am not winning , I am only answering your post.I have all the data I need . You can get your own data , but you won’t lol.
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    Barrel Tuners and Bryan Litz’s vol. 3

    Won my last match . What have you won ?
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    Barrel Tuners and Bryan Litz’s vol. 3

    You both have done well this year. Congrats.
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