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  1. M

    Customer Accuracy Expectations

    .2 mils is 1.44" at 200yds.
  2. M

    Customer Accuracy Expectations

    Those groups work good for me in good wind conditions. I don't shoot a lot of groups, I shoot steel. I setup 4", 3", 2' and 1" gongs at 200yds and a Long Gong setup at 300yds 8" ,6", 4". I set up 12" gongs for sighter, then try to run the steel, and see how many times I can hit the small ones. I...
  3. M

    Everyday ammo

    I shot the Club today. It shoots a little better than Contact. I shoot Dum Dum sucker at 100yds. 200yds i have 4", 3", 2" and a 1" 300yds I shoot Long Gongs 8", 6" and 4". I ran the 200yds gongs a few time clean 1 for 1 By the time I got to 300yds the wind got up. I could hit the 8" and 6", but...
  4. M

    Everyday ammo

    I have been shooting SK Long Range ammo for matches and Eley Contact for everyday for 3 years or so. Killough's has had Contact for $5.25/ box. but has gone up to $7.25 two month ago. At $5.25 it was the best ammo out there, but at $7.25 It is closer to SKLR the price. The SK line is no go right...
  5. M

    Which way to go??

    Don't go with CF get the steel barrel.
  6. M

    Help me decide-Vudoo, Anschutz or 457 MTR w/Lilja

    Bergara B14R steel barrel only. I replaced my triggers with Triggertech Diamond. B14r does not need a barrel replacement. you can get complete guns or barreled actions. They use 700 triggers and 700 chassis. I have 2 of them, they shoot great. Vudoo is in flux right now, if you find one or a...
  7. M

    300 yard consistency

    What was the difference in the tuner groups and non tuner. If your aggs were 0.31" the tuner must be working, You will not see much vertical at 52 yds and 100yds any way. How much vertical were in your 100yd groups? you can fine tune at 100yds. As far as the 3 shot groups, it is to find your...
  8. M

    300 yard consistency

    You did not say how far you were shoot, and the size of your groups. And how you concluded they don't work. By only going 2 revs, you left out a lot area for tuning. You did not go far enough. A Harrell tuner has 500 settings 25/ rev, total of 20 revs. A EC V2 tuner has 200 setting 50/rev...
  9. M

    300 yard consistency

    I like tuner because they work. I shoot long range steel. I don't waste my time or ammo shooting 5, 10, 20, or what ever the group count is today. I only shoot groups when tuning. I set up 12" plates for sighters and shoot 4", 3 ", 2" and 1" at 200yds. I shoot Long Gong at 300yds 8", 6" and 4"...
  10. M

    300 yard consistency

    A .94" and .85" at 100yds is not bad. For myself I like 5 shot groups. You can get them fired before the conditions change. Don't worry about the ES and SD, You can't do anything about it That is the Beast for a rimfire. Find the ammo that shoots best in your gun. You will have vertical in the...
  11. M

    300 yard consistency

    Jwoo, You have vertical in your 100yd group. You need to try a Tuner, it will take vertical out of your groups. If your barrel is threaded get a EC V2 tuner. It is way cheaper than a new barrel. I have 3 of them, they work great. I tune a 50yds and take the best settings and fine tune at...
  12. M

    ARC or 419 rings-Kidd 10/22

    I have a Kidd pic rail on my SG. I like Burris Signature XTR on all of my rimfire. You can get 40 moa in the rings and the inserts protect the scope from ring marks. With a Vortex Strike Eagle, I am zeroed at 50 yds and can dial to 500yds.
  13. M

    Non comp 22

    jdulaney, I have 2 B14R in factory stocks. I shoot long range steel from benches. They are a great guns, but I would not want to carry them in the field. I have a T1X, it is very accurate. I put it in a KRG Bravo to add some weight to get it close to the B14R, with NO accuracy improvement. When...
  14. M

    B14R Bergara wobbly Magazine. Also, what rail ?

    I put a EGW 20 moa rail and Burris Signature XTR rings. with 30 MOA in the rings. With a Vortex Striker Eagle I can zero at 50 yds and dial to 500yds. I have seen guys adding velcro pads to tighten up the mags.
  15. M

    Tikka T1X best aftermarket trigger

    I have just a spring in mine on, but Trigger Tech is coming out with trigger. I'm waiting on it.
  16. M

    B14 R Bergara still buggy ?

    My first B14R would do like your is doing. I staked the ejector, problem gone.
  17. M

    First precision 22 - go big or go home?

    I would start with a CZ 457, Tikka T1x or a Bergara B14R. The B14R gets you a lot extras, like adjustable stock 700 foot print and trigger. "Don't start adding major upgrades". For now put your money in ammo, and Learn to shoot off props. Go to matches and see what you like and need. Then if...
  18. M

    New Lube for me

    A friend told about CherryBalmz lube and balms. https://www.cherrybalmz.com/ I have been using Otis dry lube for my Kidd SG and all of my rimfire's. But, my SG still does not do well in cold weather. His Kidd does about the same as mine in cold weather. He used their "Winter Balm" for extreme...
  19. M

    Why would my groups open up suddenly?

    I ran into the same thing with my B14R, with a no clean. I started chamber, carbon ring removal with c4 carbon cleaner. I have not had a problem sense.
  20. M

    Precision rimfire state of the Union for 2025, help get me up to speed please…

    I would say Chris can win with or without a tuner, but he does win with one. He did say he lot test, then tunes. Tuners don't make a huge difference, they do make a difference. That is what everyone says " a tuner want make bad ammo better" You should start with good ammo. Tuner are a tool...
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