10 second showdown

[eca7891]

https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/advanced-pistol-drill-the-10-second-showdown/

Any of you super pistol studs able to post a video of you doing this?

The article says an upper intermediate shooter should be able to do this on 10 seconds.

 

[RayDBonz]

Simple stuff.
How about this?
I shot this offhand (1 hand) at 50 yards:

13, 10 , and 7 yards? LMAO

 

[eca7891]

Ill be looking forward to you posting the video.

 

[ironpony52]

It has been a while but 10 seconds would be fairly easy. IPSC guy would be in the 6-7 second range probably faster.

 

[Terry Cross]

It has been a while but 10 seconds would be fairly easy. IPSC guy would be in the 6-7 second range probably faster.

Agreed.

Guessing that whoever came up with the drill had LE and personal defense in mind, a typical IPSC/USPSA comp holster might unfairly remove a quarter second or so. Likewise a comp pistol with a brake and light trigger would have maybe a second to a second and a half advantage versus a typical carry or duty pistol.

The reload is on the move so it really doesn't carry a time penalty by doing so inside the 10 second hack.

Will be something different to try next time out. We will run it with a Level 2 retention holsters and G17s to see how bad we suck.

 

[Trigger Monkey]

I'll give it a go this weekend, I need to work on my pistol stuff anyway.

 

[CK1.0]

This 10SS reminds me of an adaptation/offshoot of the late Todd Green’s F.A.S.T. drill from pistol-training.com… with some shooting on the move, different ranges, and more time.

FYI/FWIW, the F.A.S.T. (Fundamentals, Accuracy, and Speed Test) drill is: draw from concealment (or duty holster), 2 to the “head” (3”x5” index card), slide-lock reload, 4 to the “body” (8” circle) at 7 yards in under 5 seconds.

Under 10 seconds seems reasonably leisurely and attainable for those of us with competition experience, but I could see this drill revealing plenty of warts with some of my fellow retired LEO buddies (who maybe shoot twice a year) or for any guys who’ve gotten rusty.

 

[Terry Cross]

https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/advanced-pistol-drill-the-10-second-showdown/

Any of you super pistol studs able to post a video of you doing this?

Are you going to post a video as well or are you just trolling for vids of some of these dudes in their tight American shooting pants?

 

[roostercogburn98]

are you just trolling for vids of some of these dudes in their tight American shooting pants?

What an odd thang to be thinking aboot

 

[BAMCIS]

Simple stuff.
How about this?
I shot this offhand (1 hand) at 50 yards:

13, 10 , and 7 yards? LMAO

NM shooting style

 

[gigamortis]

I shoot a lot of IDPA and USPSA, and I have never been a fan of downloaded starts.

Less than full capacity on board from holstered is not going to be a likely real world scenario. Making a habit of shooting only two rounds to start with and then reloading right off the bat is going to stick with some people if a stressful situation arises.

If a mandatory reload is going to be part of a drill, at least do it after at least the 8th or 10th round.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

I shoot a lot of IDPA and USPSA, and I have never been a fan of downloaded starts.

Less than full capacity on board from holstered is not going to be a likely real world scenario. Making a habit of shooting only two rounds to start with and then reloading right off the bat is going to stick with some people if a stressful situation arises.

If a mandatory reload is going to be part of a drill, at least do it after at least the 8th or 10th round.

Yup. We called em training scars. Train how you fight. Guys would do dumb shit on target they picked up on the range.

You are better off putting unknown round counts in the gun so when it goes dry ( or simulated malfunction) you are surprised and need to react.

Under stress you will revert to your training and basic instincts.

 

[eca7891]

Are you going to post a video as well or are you just trolling for vids of some of these dudes in their tight American shooting pants?

Best I could do is 13.25 with no misses (time penalties).

I have room to improve but not 3.25 seconds worth. Lol

Give that i only shoot rarely and don’t compete.

There is a lot of movement in there.

 

[Trigger Monkey]

I made it out to the range to try this out. My raw times weren't great and I didn't shoot any clean. I didn't use anything fancy, it's the same rig I use for 2-gun, DMR, etc..an Uncle Mike's comp belt, Safariland ALS, and assorted mag carriers. The pistol is a G34 with Timney trigger and Brownell's Glock barrel.

Raw Time	Penalties	Final Time	Percentage
9.79	2	11.79	~73%
9.97	3	12.97	60%
10.52	2	12.52	65%
10.69	1	11.69	~73%
10.88	1	11.88	70%

These are the two sub-10 sec runs.





I could probably shoot it clean under 10 with some dryfire practice and more reps.

 

[Hoser]

Did it today with my Smith 929.

8.68 seconds with a -1/C zone hit.

But... I shoot a lot of revo and have been playing USPSA since the mid 90s. I would a touch faster with a 2011 in 40/9. Moonclips are not as fast as mags to load and I had to slow up a touch to get the head hits. A dot will also speed things up.

As soon as you are forward of the 7 yard line start shooting. No need to wait to get to the 3 yard line to start.

 

[W54/XM-388]

I made it out to the range to try this out. My raw times weren't great and I didn't shoot any clean. I didn't use anything fancy, it's the same rig I use for 2-gun, DMR, etc..an Uncle Mike's comp belt, Safariland ALS, and assorted mag carriers. The pistol is a G34 with Timney trigger and Brownell's Glock barrel.

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Raw Time	Penalties	Final Time	Percentage
9.79	2	11.79	~73%
9.97	3	12.97	60%
10.52	2	12.52	65%
10.69	1	11.69	~73%
10.88	1	11.88	70%

These are the two sub-10 sec runs.





I could probably shoot it clean under 10 with some dryfire practice and more reps.

Fun and all.

But how about when you have to start not just standing there all nicely squared up to a piece of cardboard and nicely walk towards it.

How about if you have to start from somebody already having a gun out pointing at you and or the moment you start shooting somebody is shooting back.

Real world be very different than games.

 

[Trigger Monkey]

Well they don't let anyone shoot at you at my range so yeah this is basically just a game.

 

[eca7891]

Im not sure there are a lot of places that shoot at you when you run training exercises.

 

[flogxal]

For people who never had the 2 way range experience, the timer itself is a bit of a pressure cooker. Every USPSA shooter I've met, from rank beginner to GM, calls the timer the brain scrambler. Some folks might approach the timer apathetically, I don't know. I know it gets me a lot of the time and I've heard that thing chirp at me lots of times already.

I think it probably can't compare to a live fire fear scenario, but I wouldn't write it off completely.

 

[eca7891]

12.65 clean with no misses.

Shot the original air marshals course. Man that was unforgiving.

 

[vanrichten]

12.65 clean with no misses.

Shot the original air marshals course. Man that was unforgiving.

I'll try this the next time I'm at the range. I did the original FAMQ in 3/4 time when I was still shooting a lot. But I took a class from Steve Silverman to show me how to shoot pistols a long damn time ago.

 

[eca7891]

He modified the course. Any miss adds a second but no concealed draw. Premium on accuracy.

So if you get a miss you almost certainly will not make the par time.

https://www.concealedcarry.com/training-2/can-you-shoot-like-the-original-federal-air-marshal/

I blew stage 5 by .1
Stage 6 by .12
Stage 7 by .3

Made 1-4.

Final course time was 32.64.

 

[vanrichten]

He modified the course. Any miss adds a second but no concealed draw. Premium on accuracy.

So if you get a miss you almost certainly will not make the par time.

https://www.concealedcarry.com/training-2/can-you-shoot-like-the-original-federal-air-marshal/

I blew stage 5 by .1
Stage 6 by .12
Stage 7 by .3

Made 1-4.

Final course time was 32.64.

7 always kicked my ass because of the kneeling. Bad knees. Was my hardest string every time.

 

[eca7891]

Oh yeah.

I missed that.

He dropped the kneeling because most of the shooters were like you. Bad knees and we were in rock.

I’m sure I would have had a bloodied knee.

I’m not sure how much time that would add.

 

[diggler1833]

I like drills, and think that they are a good tool for improving yourself *in very specific areas. Bonus that you have a way to measure your improvement.

I did my fair share of (basic) pistol stuff when I was a (basic) pistol and rifle marksmanship instructor. Nothing however improved my abilities to hit moving targets or shoot from unusual circumstances like moving out to the ranch. I got humbled a few times by skunks, armadillos etc... when I was trying to chase one through obstacles and put an end to their life.

Practice makes better (usually), and I'm perfectly confident in my abilities now to jump out of a still slowly moving SxS , draw and hit your average moving armadillo at about 20 yards. Past that it gets iffy unless I'm slow-firing at a stationary target. Or shoot a snake in the head at ___ yards... blah, blah, blah, hopefully you get my point.

Still haven't been put under the stress of having an armadillo or skunk shoot back... heaven help us all if we get to that point.