Interesting that it uses the same data since it is a much longer bullet. I started it off at 41gr and worked up in .3 increments but at 43.1gr it started feeling pretty crunchy because of how deep these things things need to be seated to fit in a mag. I don't know how safe it would be to go anywhere near the listed 168 smk max charge of 45.4 with these given how crunchy it was at 43gr.