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1900 yds. with 300WM

jrob300

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I posted a while back that I'd reached out to 1300 yds. with good results. Two years ago 500 yds. was long distance to me. Now I'm constantly looking to improve my range, as well as my precision at shorter ranges.

I had hoped to get out to 1500 yds. and 1 mile since having such good success at 1100 and 1300, but rain and mud have kept me out of my LR shooting spot.

Well, I attended the LR shoot at Augustis Ranch this last weekend. I knew there was a plate in the 1600 yd. neighborhood and I was itching to give it a go.

We warmed up on some shorter distances and by late morning were at Station 2 which boasts a 1575 yd. shot at a 36" round steel plate. Wind was gusting pretty good, so it took a couple shots to get on, but then I made multiple hits. A new PR!

Station 3 engages the same plate from a different angle to give 1525 yds, and again I had no problem making multiple hits.

We finished Day One and were talking back at camp and one of the guys told me that Aug had put multiple hits on the 1900 yd. plate with his 300RUM. <span style="font-weight: bold">WHAT</span>? There's a 1900 yd. plate?

It was a done deal in my head. I asked Aug if I could try in the morning. He seemed a little dubious that my 300WM could make it. I told him confidently, "I will hit that plate". JBM said my load was SS to 1950+ yds. I KNEW I could hit it.

We went back to Station 1 in the morning which, if you engage the same 36" steel as 1575 and 1525, yields 1900 yds. Trgrman from here on the Hide made wind calls for me.

This is the part that is a little frustrating for me. We had a discussion about the wind and agreed to dial 2 mil for the r-l full value 15-20 mph wind at target (it was about 5 or 6 o'clock at station). I'm not sure exactly what transpired next, but when I settled in behind the rifle and he called out a 2 mil correction, I thought he meant in addition, and somehow I got 4 mil left hold. In any event the first round struck center elevation, exactly 2 mil right.

I could have had a 1st round cold bore hit at 1900 yds.!

He instructed me to hold left 2 mil, I did and quickly sent it for my first hit at 1900 yds. The next 2 just cleared the top of the plate at 11 and 12 o' clock. I wanted to try again, but it didn't fit with our schedule, so next visit I will try to put multiple hits on. Needless to say I'm hooked in a big way.

This is what 1900 yds looks like from behind the rifle:

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It's not really visible in this photo, but the plate is on the far hill, a little to the left of the rifle, just below the horizon.

A bonus for the weekend was watching Trgrman, with Augustis making wind calls, put 3 rounds in a 20" group, 1st shot cold bore, center mass of a rock at 2950 yds. in very tricky wind conditions with his 375CT. Very cool.

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Trgrman just after the third shot. The rifle is pointing at the rock which is on the furthest bluff, almost dead center of the picture.

For more info on the Shoot at Augustis Ranch:

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1584268

John
 
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Good shooting. I was also dubious of my 300WM to get that far, but I was able to make 3 consecutive hits on my steel @ 2K yds a couple years ago. Some on here still don't believe me tho. Pics weren't enough for some.
 
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I've seen mine fly at 1866 accurately enough to be a beiliver.... but what load are you running that's keeping you super sonic at 1950+ yards?! That's a potion I wanna' mix!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tribe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but what load are you running that's keeping you super sonic at 1950+ yards?! That's a potion I wanna' mix!
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208 Amax's @ 2870. Remember we're at 3000 ft+ so that makes a difference too.

John
 
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Yeah, I think you're right.... but we got chided (gently
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) about even mentioning altitude. Station pressure. It's everything!

Who knew?

John
 
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I don't have one of those instruments for reading station pressure.

By coincidence the altitude here is almost the same as there. So, I ran my calcs at 4000', and 25.50 Hg pressure (about average here). Tested out to 1K here, then went to Aug's, and I was hitting pretty good at all ranges ot to 1K.

One of those handheld weather stations looks like a good way to go though.
 
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Yeah,

I took all my field data from Rogers Lake. 4000 ft. Transferred pretty close. But I realize as you get out further and further, the odds of 1st shot hit go up if you have the correct data. I'm looking for one of those cheap watches that give barometric pressure.

John
 
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I'm loading 76.2gr of H1000 in Nosler/Federal brass, CCI250 primers, 208 Amax's out .005" off the lands. A load that is almost identical in Winchester brass is 77.2gr.

All usual warnings apply, especially since my bullets are run out so far, if you try to load this in a SAMMI length load, you may run into pressure issues, so start low and load up for your rifle, but this is what mine likes.

John
 
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I was emailing Trgrman this morning and we were talking about unrelated stuff, but it reminded me to put a caveat in this thread.

It's really not *that* hard to hit a steel plate at long distance, *if*:

you have a good rifle
you have a good load
you can shoot well enough to NOT screw up the shot

The HARD part of these long shots is the firing solution. Exbal makes the elevation simpler. But wind and other factors that come into play at these distances... that's where the real skill lies.

I can't call shots like this. I can poke and adjust, but that's Jr. High stuff. Graduate work is knowing where the bullet will land given a number of variables. I watched Trgr do that over and over all weekend for shooters with a variety of different calibers, in his head!

So if credit is due for a shot like this, it's due to the guy who called the shot, not necessarily the guy who broke the trigger. So for this shot, I give full credit to Trgr.

Thanks... look forward to doing it again, and continuing to learn how to call 'em myself.

John
 
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I got to torch off that 375 Cheytac of Trgrman's and put a first round hit on the 1900 yard target. Aug was on the scope and gave me the wind correction and away she went, he is an exceptional spotter. Talk about giggling like a school girl when I saw the hit...

It was a pleasure shooting with all of you guys and thanks for the write up John
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johndoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Have you ever tried the Sierra 210's at these
long range distances? </div></div>

I have not. However 208 Amax's are getting harder to come by, so I'm going to try some 210 JLK's. My understanding from Joe Starnes is that the 210 Bergers and 208 Amax's follow the smae trace with the same load, so I'm hopeful that the JLK's will too. I can get a pretty good price on them.

I like the quote from Graham's (above) thread. I might use it in my sig.:

"Somebody please tell me again why I need a .338 and/or why I need to spend more than $1.50 per round for an ELR rifle."
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I've been wondering the same thing when I read these threads like, "I'm going to build a Whoopy Wizzbang 155mm Howitzer to reach a mile".
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Granted, some of the boomers cut wind a little better at these ranges, but for me, 2000 yds. is going to be a "once in a while" thing. I've given thought to building something with a little more pop, but nothing really justifies itself enough to spend the money,so I'll stick with the WM.

John
 
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John

One good reason to own a heavier stick is sometimes, it is not just enough to hit the target, but to do so with authority!!

My bullet still delivers 3011 ft/lb of energy at 2000 yards, & if for no other reason, which makes it much easier for my spotter to observe impacts on the targets ;O)

Also, in some instances its not enough to merely hit the target, but destroy it, or shut it down on impact.

Buddy - I hate to tell you this, but I am afraid you've got the bug now, & 1900 yards will not satisfy you for very long... your marksmanship is there, but once you work out some of the other aspects of ELR engagement, you will want more... When it comes to ELR, size does matter ;O)

Good shooting with you!!

Aug ><>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Augustis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">good reason to own a heavier stick is sometimes, it is not just enough to hit the target, but to do so with authority!!

...in some instances its not enough to merely hit the target, but destroy it, or shut it down on impact.</div></div>

Joe said the same thing to me... I have no plans to engage living targets at these distances. I'd take a poke at an antelope at 1000 yds or so. But definitely not big game. Right now, I'm having a ball just knocking paint off of steel.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Augustis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Buddy - I hate to tell you this, but I am afraid you've got the bug now, & 1900 yards will not satisfy you for very long... your marksmanship is there, but once you work out some of the other aspects of ELR engagement, you will want more... When it comes to ELR, size does matter ;O)</div></div>

You're really *not* helping now.
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I know that the old adage, "How fast ya wanna go? How much money ya wanna spend?" applies here. And right now, I can't afford to play. We'll see what the future holds, but for now my WM is going to have to make me happy. Joe and I discussed the possibility of rechambering to 300RUM when I rebarrel, but the Tikka action won't support the COAL.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Augustis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good shooting with you!!

Aug ><> </div></div>

Same here. I'll be out again as soon as I can swing it.

Thanks again for a great weekend.

John
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Joe and I discussed the possibility of rechambering to 300RUM when I rebarrel, but the Tikka action won't support the COAL.
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It will as a single shot
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Joe and I discussed the possibility of rechambering to 300RUM when I rebarrel, but the Tikka action won't support the COAL.
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It will as a single shot
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Well, now that you mention it, that's where I am now. My LR load is 3.665" COAL. Until one of the three or four companies that make DBM decide to get off the stick and make one for the Tikka that will take AICS 300WM magazines, that's what I'm reduced to.

But the RUM would cinch it.

John
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i so wish there was a way to post my video on my 1800yd goat shot </div></div>

Bolt,

I keep hearing about this shot... ya got a link?

John
 
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no actually i don't because i have not posted it anywhere...it is formatted .....differently.....but .....i shall endeavor to figure a way to grace the world with my shooting skillz and hunting proess........here hold my beer for a minute....
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

A bonus for the weekend was watching Trgrman, with Augustis making wind calls, put 3 rounds in a 20" group, 1st shot cold bore, center mass of a rock at 2950 yds. in very tricky wind conditions with his 375CT.

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That might be the most inspiring sentance I've ever read.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MrLowandSlow</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

A bonus for the weekend was watching Trgrman, with Augustis making wind calls, put 3 rounds in a 20" group, 1st shot cold bore, center mass of a rock at 2950 yds. in very tricky wind conditions with his 375CT.

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That might be the most inspiring sentance I've ever read. </div></div>
They always said I should write.
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Trust me. It was VERY inspiring watching it!

John
 
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That is very impressive. What load are you using for that? I have stretched my 338 LM out to 2000 yards and even with the 338LM, it becomes fairly dicey depending on the environmental conditions at 2000 yards. Good shooting. I have only stretched my 300 WM out to 1550 yards. Definitely gives my the motivation to stretch it further.
 
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That load is 76.2 gr of H1000 in Nosler/Federal brass over CCI 250 primers. 208 Amax's .005" off the lands. They're running 2860 fps. Station pressure was 25.50 in/Hg.

We *just* got back from a LR range session. I just tried a new load in Win. brass that shows promise, 78 gr. H1000 and they were grouping just under MOA in windy conditions with no wind corrections @ 500 yds. they were strung about 5" with almost no vertical. Velocity unknown. I'll run them through a chrono later this week.

We we're collecting field data because my shooting partner and I both just mounted new glass. I did some horsetrading for a Vortex Razor and was itching to get it zeroed and stretch it's legs. WOW! I love this scope. I'm not sure if it was all scope, but the entire rig just seemed ON today. Everything clicked. AND I got my first cold bore hit at 1500 yds. That's about as far as we can stretch is in this spot. The gong sits in a swamp. In addtion to being no fun at all to set up (hip waders next time!) misses just go into the mud. NO SIGN. Better hope JBM or Exbal has you close!

Another GREAT day brought to you by 300 Winchester Magnum! (I guess some of the credit DOES go to Hornady. My Amax's are absolute lasers in the wind. My partners 200 gr SMK's were tumbling and hitting the plate sideways at 1500 yds!)

John