2010 Snipers Hide Rifle Build

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The cool kids are most certainly buying the SA's and the 6.5's and I think a lot of them caught on to the .260 by listening to me, way back when it wasn't well known.

But some of their canny elders are afficionados of the .30-'06 and its siblings.

I note the .270 because the rifle I mention is a hunter, and the .270, despite its 'outness' for tactical cool factors, is simply far and away one of the most popular and widely available hunting cartridges on at least this continent. A lot of the folks who are immigrating into precision shooting from hunting are gonna be users, if not fans of the chambering

I note the .280 because I think it does for the '06 case what the .260 does for the .308 case. It uses the capacity with better, maybe best, efficiency. I believe it is a hugely underappreciated chambering whose day has finally arrived along with those neato 7mm cruise missiles which have finally arrived onscene in the past few.

I shouldn't have to explain the mention of the .30-'06, but I will anyway. It never stopped being the really excellent chambering it always was when Uncle Sugar jumped ship and went kookooferkokopuffs over the .308. Let's face it, the .308 was intended to replace the '06. It does, but IMHO, it's anemic by comparison. <span style="font-style: italic">Anyone</span> who owns a Garand is probably going to absolutely love this rifle spec.

.35 Whelen. Yeah. Well, if the .30-'06 isn't adequate for any North American game, the .35 Whelen securely closes that circle. My Brother uses(used, anyway) the .35 Rem for Black Bear. I would have been a lot more comfortable about the odds of his survival if he was using the .35 Whelen. Sometimes the carpenter actually needs that sledge.

None of these chamberings are truly overbore, they allow for a reasonable barrel life. None of the chamberings are redheaded stepchildren that need to be handloaded to get good ammo (I envision the .270 as primarily a hunter's cartridge). There are undoubtedly other recommendation, but these are good enough for me.

Aside from the chamberings, it's a fairly conventional LA spec. Why LA? Why not, it's not getting decent play these days, and its just as good an action length as it ever was. You like handloading into the lands <span style="font-style: italic">and</span> feeding from the mag, well a lot of the time, you're gonna want that LA after all. The suggested chamberings are simply an attempt to put that LA to full and effective use.

FFL distributer? Anyone with an FFL and a big order becomes de facto an FFL distributer. Give 'em a slice? Sure; "Thou shalt not bind the mouths of the kine who tread the grain". Half a C for two transfers, I say go for it. On a $2k purchase that amounts to a little less than 3% overhead.

Now, then; I had earlier attempted to bail out of this topic. But 'bert brought up some excellent points and questions, and deserved a worthwhile response. I do NOT want to either hijack the topic or steer the buy. I had a few less orthodox things to say and such always engenders some mild controversy. This one has. But I'd really like to step out of this now.

Greg
 
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OK, seriously...if you want the coolest, rarest, most usefull, bad ass rifle on the planet, here's what you do:

Call AI and talkthem into selling actions only.

Call Manners and have him make a mini chassis for it.

Drop them into a MCS T5.

Included a couple of Kreigers cut by GAP and a barrel change kit.



You can make that happen, right?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gugubica</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK, seriously...if you want the coolest, rarest, most usefull, bad ass rifle on the planet, here's what you do:

Call AI and talkthem into selling actions only.

Call Manners and have him make a mini chassis for it.

Drop them into a MCS T5.

Included a couple of Kreigers cut by GAP and a barrel change kit.



You can make that happen, right?
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And then you have what amounts to a Badger M2008 build. Say what you want, but if you are going to mount that action in an T5 you should probably just wait for the AX series. Aside from the 0% chance of it EVER happening the action price alone would be out of sight. Greg's budget build is extremely sound thinking. However, I wouldn't be in for it. I'm spending my money to feed that TRG-22.

Josh

p.s.- I realize you were being sarcastic. I just don't want some new guy walking around with a hard on thinking that is a true possibility.
 
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I'm guessing my hijack derailed this topic, which deserves better than to peter out like it seems to have done.

If that is indeed the case, I apologize and urge you to take my comments merely as the suggestions of a guy who's been relegated to watching such things from the outside for a long, long time. If those suggestions have soured anyone on the idea of a group buy, then I seriously urge you all to simply ignore them and move this topic on to more productive territory.

Greg
 
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I would be interested in a 22lr trainer , with a Rem700 foot print , repeater in the form of a barrelled action , thats drops into either a AICS stock or a modified McMillan , I feel this would need two different mags to run , IF you used a Ruger 10/22 mag & had a special bottom metal made to run in the McMillan stock .

The AICs needs to drop straight in with no real mods , so maybe look at a different mag for that one due to the size of the mag opening on the alloy chassis .

Needs to have different moa cant rails available , maybe 20 & 30 moa etc as well .

Later Chris
 
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How about something we're all experts on?

I propose a Sniper's Hide Edition Notebook computer. Cerakoted in GAP camo. 15" screen trued by Apple. A Timney mouse set at .2 oz. The price will be $25,000.00 so we will all have to sell all our guns to buy it and then sit here and b!tch about lack of funds. Who's with me?
 
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how about a build on a fn spr reciever, they are cheap and reliable and would bring down the cost of build. they already come with the 20moa rail, triggers are very tuneable. we could use a basic manners msc-t, non fluted barrel just threaded, run cdi bottom metal and chooses some custom camo and it would be very budget oriented and reliable and a good all around rifle. maybe chamber it in 243 win something alittle different.
 
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I may have missed this previously in the thread but didn't SH already do a 22 sako quad group build? I could be wrong, maybe that was some place else, but I know I've seen one. They were in manners stocks and they looked sick.
 
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I thought long and hard on this and wanted to give some idea's. I would love to have a 22lr trainer with a 700 footprint, mag fed, in an AICS or McMillan. But the cost of the build would not be cheap if you could even get a 40X or 40X clone.

I built a .223 for my trainer and have to say I love it. It's in an AICS and feeds great with their new mags. Reloading components are inexpensive, good barrel life, and you will have a rifle you could go and compete with as well if you wanted to.

Just my humble opinion.

JamieD

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Greg & Ratbert you make some excellent points. As a new member I am constantly overwhelmed by the perception (perhaps mistaken) that everyone here is sporting 8-20k rigs. Looking at the pics people post certainly doesn't prove me wrong.

It definitely contributes to a feeling of being unworthy or lesser since one is unable to compete with what seems to be the majority. (grass is greener, keeping up the jones's, etc). I post little on this site for that exact reason.

It's like being the steroid free player in baseball...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ratbert</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dagsta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Couldn't have said it any better Rat!!!</div></div>

It's a shame, though, cause the Sako build turned out absolutely fantastic. I love mine.

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I have a stock Sako Finnfire PS94. Great rifle that came recommended because I couldn't find a decent 40x. A .22 trainer (practice) should be matched closely to the centerfire you would normally shoot. For range purposes, its only redeeming value is to save money practicing the fundamentals of shooting.

EDIT: P94S
 
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In line with the "budget" minded comments above, I think a "entry level" barreled action build in .260 or 6.5X47 would be a great option. Offering a barreled action allows freedom for the end user to go from a HS take-off stock, to an AICS, to a full custom manners ect. based on preference and ultimate budget. It would tailor to the reloader just getting into the sport, to a shooter looking to jump into the 6.5s for competitions on a moderate budget, to the top end users who will add a $1k stock and $2k plus optic on top. I think the barreled action build would allow a large cross section of the shooters here to be included.

I guess it just depends if the goal is to highlight the ultimate in components in a "special edition" package to the top 5% of shooters / money makers, or a build that offers a solution to the masses.
 
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I don't think a .22LR trainer needs to be more than generic. Matching features to a centerfire can be pricey, and I just gotta ask myself, what's the point? I personally prefer not to get my marksmanship skills married to a particular set of ergonomics. Yes, a rifle should fit, but requiring identical commonality goes rather beyond what I honestly believe is needed.

Barreled actions, OK; but I'd prefer to look at a long gun and say, yep, that's my SH Special. I don't know if I could look at three barreled actions, each mounted up in different stocks, etc., and be able to say that.

For one thing, I've seen the Accue-Stock up close, and seen it shoot. It need make no excuses. I would like to see it showcased in a way that lets folks know its advantages.

Now I know we have exquisite stock makers supporting this site and I truly appreciate their products. I just don't know how many folks would be outclassed when the cash register starts ringing on another typical dream rifle build.

I think that it's time to let the newbies, lowballers like me, and others get a taste of a well thought out set of options, and that they be options that are affordable at the entry level.

I just think it's an idea and a time that fit together kinda better these days.

Greg
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GRIM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.22LR barreled action that we can drop into our own stock (ie - AICS or PSS or A5)

That would cut the cost down and I'm sure most guys could come up with a stock to put it in or just make a barreled action an option on the order ?

Tack-driving trainer in 22LR with a picatinny rail on top so that I can swap onto it the same scope that I use on my other tactical rigs - now that would be cool. </div></div>

definately a good idea...i would be all over that
 
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Maybe a better approach might be to make up a modular stock insert that mimics the inlet for a .22LR barreled action. I.e. inwardly it might fit a Savage MKII, outwardly it might mimic an M700, etc. It could be made up to be similar to a piece of bottom metal. That way, the stock could do double duty, and the ergos would be very similar.

At least think about it.

Greg