.22 Trainer setup, Glass choice holding me up.

[InExperienced]

Selling off my Remington 700 to get something more usefull. Going to invest in a Savage Mark2 TR in .22LR. My area has maybe at most 200-300 yards that I can shoot and being a college student funding is limited so ammo price is a big factor as well.

-Rifle choice is set in stone
-EGW base (moa depends if scope has enough adjustment to use a 20moa)
-Weaver 4 hole rings (unless you suggest something else)

My problem comes in selecting a good piece of glass that meets my needs. Finger turrets, mil dot reticle, repeatable, ~$150-200

Did some research and kinda narrowed it down to the Mueller 4.5-14×40AO Tactical and the Barska 3-12x40 Tactical. I've heard good things about both and pretty much the same complaint about both, eye relief and glass clarity at certain magnifications.

I dont plan on submersing my scope/rifle in water or shooting in low light conditions. Pretty much only going to be a paper puncher for training purposes and possibly small competitions at 25-200 yards. Can I go wrong with either? Other Suggestions?

 

[Chadwick122689]

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go with the mueller... I've yet to find any negative comments about them here or on RFC for a low priced scope option... the Barska on the other hand seems to be the whipping boy for bad scopes...

 

[SPAK]

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of your two choices, go with the mueller. or maybe look into the vortex viper line, it's only another 50.00 more. I think liberty optics or cameraland has some close outs on the 4-12x40 with the vplex reticle.

stay away from the barska stuff.

 

[J_Roger]

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Spend the extra $100 and get a SWFA Super Sniper 10x40 for $300, I guarantee that you wont be disappointed.

 

[RicosRevenge]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J_Roger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Spend the extra $100 and get a SWFA Super Sniper 10x40 for $300, I guarantee that you wont be disappointed. </div></div>
I was going to suggest the 16X Super Sniper. My .308 wears a Nightforce and I wanted something to help me with ranging with a Mil-Dot so I went with an SS16X on my trainer (the turrets are MOA on the SS, but I'm not worried too much about that).

You may check the SWFA Samplelist from time to time. www.samplelist.com ...or watch the classifieds here.

 

[2guard]

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friends dont let friends but barska.
check out the bushnell 10x40 also, but I would try to find a used super sniper in 10x or 16x.
Also, check out warne rings.

 

[savage110]

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Bushnell 10x40

 

[762frmafr]

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TPS rings...and a MIL/MIL 10x42 Bushnell

 

[InExperienced]

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By the huge support on the fixed powers im going to guess the 10x isnt a hinderance at 25yrds? That was my only concern with the fixed and the parallax adjustment which the Bushnell seems fine with.

Midway is selling the 3200 10x40 Mil/Mil for $199 which fits right where I need it to fit in my budget. The fact that it has mil/mil is actually a huge selling point to be honest.

So setup seems to be the following:
-Bushnell 3200 10x40 mil/mil
-TPS 1" low rings (decided to suck it up and go with the better)
-EGW 20moa base

Seem like a solid setup?

 

[dogmessiah]

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I would change up your rings/base choice. I would go with burris signiture zee rings with inserts. For the rings and inserts you will be looking at $40-50 combined, which should be cheaper then you are looking with your EGW and rings, it allows you to choose more or less MOA (10-40 depending on the inserts you choose). They don't mark your scope, you directly transfer them to another rifle in the future if need be(can't do that with the base). I also find them to hold 22 scopes plenty well. You loose some of the tacticool look, but I think they function better/at a more reasonable price.
I originally picked mine up on sale from optics planet with free shipping.

 

[762frmafr]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: InExperienced</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By the huge support on the fixed powers im going to guess the 10x isnt a hinderance at 25yrds? That was my only concern with the fixed and the parallax adjustment which the Bushnell seems fine with.

Midway is selling the 3200 10x40 Mil/Mil for $199 which fits right where I need it to fit in my budget. The fact that it has mil/mil is actually a huge selling point to be honest.

So setup seems to be the following:
-Bushnell 3200 10x40 mil/mil
-TPS 1" low rings (decided to suck it up and go with the better)
-EGW 20moa base

Seem like a solid setup? </div></div>
I would stick with that list there....I would zero it as is...then if you want/need more elevation in your scope, you can shim and bed the scope base till you have ALL of the elevation your scope has available, and still be zeroed where you want it.

 

[RicosRevenge]

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^^^ +1

This scope? Bushnell 3200 Elite Tactical

That scope has 80 MOA of adjustment which should be plenty with a 20 MOA base.

PS... do a search for Midway USA discount codes in the Equipment Section.

 

[InExperienced]

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same scope but this one: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=950843 This one has the Mil/Mil setup.

yea im gunna stick with the TPS and EGW setup...im not going to pretend i know how to mix and match spacers to get different angles so the fixed setup is great haha...maybe one day though.

Now I just have to sell of my 700 and im good to go! Thank for all your help, never been let down by this site yet.

 

[RicosRevenge]

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Looks good to go to me! I use TPS Rings and base on my 40X. You'll like them. They are solid.

 

[cvuxton]

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I have the Weaver Tactical 3-10 that Midway has for $299.99 on my trainer. Great scope, very bright. Downside is no caps (Midway lists them) and no hood (forget Weaver, NIKON 40MM shade fit PSH-11). I got the 6 screw Weaver rings from Brownell's and a custom ground EGW base. Its good to good. Not as good as my PR and S&B but 1/10 the price. See a review on snipercentral.com Oh, one more thing, I drank the kool-aide...MIL/MIL is the only way to go.

 

[2guard]

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should be plenty of elevation with the bushy and the 20moa base.
And you probably won't shoot much at 25-50 once you find out how much fun the 22 is at 200+

 

[J_Roger]

Re: .22 Trainer setup, Glass choice holding me up.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RicosRevenge</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J_Roger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Spend the extra $100 and get a SWFA Super Sniper 10x40 for $300, I guarantee that you wont be disappointed. </div></div>
I was going to suggest the 16X Super Sniper. My .308 wears a Nightforce and I wanted something to help me with ranging with a Mil-Dot so I went with an SS16X on my trainer (the turrets are MOA on the SS, but I'm not worried too much about that).

You may check the SWFA Samplelist from time to time. www.samplelist.com ...or watch the classifieds here.
</div></div>16x for a .308 yes, but imho, on a trainer, you really don't nned that much magnification, the distances just aren't great enough... but to each his own. Either way and you will be pleased.

 

[J_Roger]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: InExperienced</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By the huge support on the fixed powers im going to guess the 10x isnt a hinderance at 25yrds? That was my only concern with the fixed and the parallax adjustment which the Bushnell seems fine with.

Midway is selling the 3200 10x40 Mil/Mil for $199 which fits right where I need it to fit in my budget. The fact that it has mil/mil is actually a huge selling point to be honest.

So setup seems to be the following:
-Bushnell 3200 10x40 mil/mil
-TPS 1" low rings (decided to suck it up and go with the better)
-EGW 20moa base

Seem like a solid setup? </div></div>No the fixed power works just fine, especially frome the bench. It's really in comps where you're looking for different targets at different distances that fixed power is a henderance.

 

[skatz11]

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The Mueller you're considering is a great scope for the money. I have one on my CZ452, and I will eventually buy one for my Spikes 22 upper. If you're open to spending more, the 3-10 Weaver would be my next choice because of the mil/mil setup, but on a rimfire I don't think its that much of a benefit.

 

[dogmessiah]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: InExperienced</div><div class="ubbcode-body">same scope but this one: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=950843 This one has the Mil/Mil setup.

yea im gunna stick with the TPS and EGW setup...im not going to pretend i know how to mix and match spacers to get different angles so the fixed setup is great haha...maybe one day though.

Now I just have to sell of my 700 and im good to go! Thank for all your help, never been let down by this site yet. </div></div>

The spacers are all individually marked so it really is not a big deal with knowing which one goes where, don't get me wrong the EGW will work just fine, the sig. zee rings are my preference though.

 

[TOP PREDATOR]

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getting back to the original question of picking between the two:

both have mildots= +1
both have lifetime warranty= +1
both have 1/4 adjustment

the barska - around $154.00

first focal plane - nicer to range= +1
no target styled turrets= -1
comes with lense caps= +1 usually cheezy, but hey they are included.
side focus - once you have it you'll love it!= +1
comes with rings, but they are junky.

mueller - around $144.00

more magnification= +1
30 mm tube= +1
second focal plane= -1
adj. objective= +1 (compared to side focus -1)
target style turrets= +1


i don't have a mueller to compare, i don't mind the barska as far as clarity goes. but it's hit or miss with the barska on the brightness, sometimes they make things a little yellowed colored when looking through them.

if you like the side focus and a FFP i'd go with the barska
if you like turrets and more magnification, i'd go mueller

 

[kansas45]

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The things on your list will work. I would probably buy the Mueller, as the Barska scopes seem to be hit & miss. I own two & they actually work good. One is a 10-40x50 Tactical & it resides on my Savage MKII TR 17HMR for now. It is three years old & is a good scope. The other on is on my AR 15, a 3-12x50 IR that I use for coyote hunting & such. I had another Barska, but got rid of it because the thing was a POS.
The EGW 20 MOA rail is good. I have one on my MKII FV. Look at that DIP 25 MOA rail though. Close to the same price & it's a nice piece.

 

[J_Roger]

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^ +1 and the DIP has Savage etched into the rail, really nice

 

[RicosRevenge]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J_Roger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">16x for a .308 yes, but imho, on a trainer, you really don't nned that much magnification, the distances just aren't great enough... but to each his own. Either way and you will be pleased. </div></div>
Won't hold it against ya for thinking that... but my eyes are older now and 10X doesn't cut it even at 100 yards.

 

[RS39]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: InExperienced</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I dont plan on submersing my scope/rifle in water or shooting in low light conditions. Pretty much only going to be a paper puncher for training purposes and possibly small competitions at 25-200 yards. Can I go wrong with either? Other Suggestions? </div></div>

If you have 'tiny targets' for up close .22 contests (esp indoor 50ft winter practice) make sure you get an AO. A scope set for common 100yds base parallax can be close to 1/2" off if your head is not centered behind the scope just right each shot. Most won't see 1/2" at 200yds but it'll drive you nuts up close.

Of the 2, Mueller.

Also consider a Clearidge 3-9x32 RM mildot. Only 50moa adj, $245, but gets you Bushnell 4200 series clarity.

 

[J_Roger]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RicosRevenge</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Won't hold it against ya for thinking that... but my eyes are older now and 10X doesn't cut it even at 100 yards. </div></div>Lol, like I said, In My humble Opinion. But the lesson here, is get what works for you, inexperienced. Good luck.

 

[steve123]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dogmessiah</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: InExperienced</div><div class="ubbcode-body">same scope but this one: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=950843 This one has the Mil/Mil setup.

yea im gunna stick with the TPS and EGW setup...im not going to pretend i know how to mix and match spacers to get different angles so the fixed setup is great haha...maybe one day though.

Now I just have to sell of my 700 and im good to go! Thank for all your help, never been let down by this site yet. </div></div>

The spacers are all individually marked so it really is not a big deal with knowing which one goes where, don't get me wrong the EGW will work just fine, the sig. zee rings are my preference though. </div></div>

To the Op.I agree with dogmessiah on the Burris rings.Not only can you perfectly tune the elevation but also optically center your scope/bore axis at the same time!

I've never heard of a complaint with them.I've got them on all my 22 rifles with 1" tubes.They hold zero as they should and don't mar the scope finish.

Then you can take the $ and buy ammo.

 

[VYD]

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Those who make Barska scopes need to be put to jail...

Check out Vortex scopes, SWFA SS, and Bushnell Elites.

 

[shaman]

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Check this review. The reviewer had alot of good things to say about the DIP rail. I will order one when i find some more stuff to put in the order. It has a cutout for the ejection port, and also has a solid rail for mounting a bubble level that the EGW doesn't just in front of the ejection port.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1884233

 

[InExperienced]

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Im kinda sold on the DIP mount. I like the cutout for jammed cases and the extra 05 moa, which I wont need for a while but nice to know I wont have to ever get another mount.

3200 10x40 Mil/Mil
DIP 25moa
TRP rings
Savage Mark 2 TR

Im going to be one happy camper

as soon as the 700 and fish tank sell!

 

[kansas45]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J_Roger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
</div></div> But the lesson here, is get what works for you, [/quote]

Exactly. Try a few things. We all seem to like something different. I like this, J Roger likes that, SBS likes something else. The thing is, you have to find what works for you.

Of course, we do like helping each other find the right set up.

 

[InExperienced]

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yea, my issue is not many people in my area who are serious about rifles. They get one with some nice wood, throw a $80 scope on it and put 1 box of ammo through it a year to make sure they can hit something and pack it back up.

So any information I can get here is a lot better than guessing by myself, seeing as I dont have many people to really talk to and see equipment over here.

If i havent set it before, all the help in here is very much appreciated! id probably be in the hole twice the amount Id be spending now just trying different crap.

 

[kansas45]

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OK then, here is what I will tell you.
Buy a Savage MKII FV.
Get yourself a DIP 25 MOA scope mount & a Center Point4-16x40 from Wal Mart & a few hundred rounds of CCI Mini Mags. Get to your range & zero the rifle in @ 50 yds. Move down to 25 then back to 50. then out as far as you can 35 yds at a time. Do this several times, take notes & record everything as you go. Clean your new rifle? Sure, I do this before I fire a new rifle, then every 25 or 30 rounds for a hundred or so, then just shoot the thing. As you put more rounds down range, the rifle will begin to settle down & start printing better & better groups. The POI will probably change for awhile, but don't worry, just adjust that 50 yd zero until everything settles in. Later on you will probably want to try different ammo. Just be sure that you write down how each one works, along with the temperature, humidity wind etc & you will be well on your way to enjoying your new .22 rim fire hobby.
Good luck & happy shooting.