Who uses h4831 or h4831sc in seemingly light loads? I got Some data that seems like the start load is really light but it came from the bullet manufacturer. Is h4831 tolerant of reduced loads? Im only concerned because I looked in Lyman 49th and on Hodgdon website and both are significantly higher start loads.
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I like the 25-06 so much it’s hard to imagine improving it. I’m sure it’s faster just saying I like the cartridge as is. Nosler says start with 51.5gn h4831sc and OAL of 3.200” using their 85gn Ballistic Tip bullets. I notice my rifle likes them seated closer to the lands and I would hate to cause trouble if that powder is if the temperamental sort.
The AI 40º version is like throwing JP8 on a bonfire... It's one of the few cartridges that truly gains significantly over the standard version. My 26" .25-06 AI was within 75 FPS MV from my 26" .257 Weatherby Mag with the same bullets and powder. It's blistering, and a true laser beam. One of the main reasons I don't have a .257 Wby Mag anymore... Nearly identical ballistics, half the recoil, 2/3 the powder consumption, cheaper brass, etc...
It's worth the fire-forming and special dies.
Sorry, I'll quit derailing your thread. Wish I could help with your powder selection, but I hear great things about 4831sc in them.
That’s cool. If I ever decide to move up the 25 cal ladder I’ll have to consider the 25-06 AIThe AI 40º version is like throwing JP8 on a bonfire... It's one of the few cartridges that truly gains significantly over the standard version. My 26" .25-06 AI was within 75 FPS MV from my 26" .257 Weatherby Mag with the same bullets and powder. It's blistering, and a true laser beam. One of the main reasons I don't have a .257 Wby Mag anymore... Nearly identical ballistics, half the recoil, 2/3 the powder consumption, cheaper brass, etc...
It's worth the fire-forming and special dies.
Sorry, I'll quit derailing your thread. Wish I could help with your powder selection, but I hear great things about 4831sc in them.
It's worth it.
Especially since BlackJack Bullets now sells 1:7 and 1:7.5" twist .257 barrel blanks for their 131 ACE and the new Berger 135 Elite .257 bullets. 
25 Caliber 135 Grain Long Range Hybrid Target Rifle Bullet
The 25 Caliber 135 Grain Long Range Hybrid Target provides competitive PRS shooters and long range accuracy enthusiasts a level of precision and consistency unmatched by all other Rifle Bullet manufacturers. Utilizing advanced and proprietary manufacturing processes, Berger's innovative Meplat...
bergerbullets.com I have a 26" Proof Research .257 1:7.5" twist blank sitting here right now... Thinking about building a .25x284 Blackjack on a long-action 700 I have sitting in the safe.
That sounds pretty cool. I’ve been watching for a while and Remington 700 actions aren’t really cheap, you can usually get the whole rifle in a low end configuration for the same or less. I’ll wait til I catch one at a pawn shop or something nice and dusty then I’ll snatch it up and go down that rabbit hole.It's worth it.
25 Caliber 135 Grain Long Range Hybrid Target Rifle Bullet
The 25 Caliber 135 Grain Long Range Hybrid Target provides competitive PRS shooters and long range accuracy enthusiasts a level of precision and consistency unmatched by all other Rifle Bullet manufacturers. Utilizing advanced and proprietary manufacturing processes, Berger's innovative Meplat...
I have a 26" Proof Research .257 1:7.5" twist blank sitting here right now... Thinking about building a .25x284 Blackjack on a long-action 700 I have sitting in the safe.
I used to buy old 80's and 90's plastic stock ADL 700's in .270 and .30-06 for $200-250 all day long. I'd snatch them apart, order the BDL conversion parts and a barrel blank, take it all to the gunsmith and let him do his magic. Then I'd bring it back home, and do a trigger job myself on that old Walker/Remington wide-shoe trigger, and never have to spend a dime on that part of the build. I'd be all-in for less than $1,000 for a custom rifle. I miss those days... That was just 8-10 years ago things were like that. Now everything is ridiculous.
You might stumble upon one in a small mom & pop pawn shop in a small town for that cheap. If you do, buy it and build you a .25-06 AI, but make sure it's the 40º version. If you do, shoot me a PM, and I'll be glad to help share some tips and tricks for making your life MUCH simpler when prepping brass and fire-forming brass the easy way. I spent years with that trial & error, but I don't mind sharing the knowledge.
Thanks. I’ll keep that in mind. Been making brass for my 25-06 by running 30-06 through my sizing die then trimming to length.I used to buy old 80's and 90's plastic stock ADL 700's in .270 and .30-06 for $200-250 all day long. I'd snatch them apart, order the BDL conversion parts and a barrel blank, take it all to the gunsmith and let him do his magic. Then I'd bring it back home, and do a trigger job myself on that old Walker/Remington wide-shoe trigger, and never have to spend a dime on that part of the build. I'd be all-in for less than $1,000 for a custom rifle. I miss those days... That was just 8-10 years ago things were like that. Now everything is ridiculous.
You might stumble upon one in a small mom & pop pawn shop in a small town for that cheap. If you do, buy it and build you a .25-06 AI, but make sure it's the 40º version. If you do, shoot me a PM, and I'll be glad to help share some tips and tricks for making your life MUCH simpler when prepping brass and fire-forming brass the easy way. I spent years with that trial & error, but I don't mind sharing the knowledge.
