300WM Advice

[Hawk45]

Had a old Savage 110FP 300 Winny that I sold in a time of need. I'd like to get into another now. I think this time I'd like to go with a Remington dropped into one of the several available chasis systems available now (or possibly wait and get a TRG 42).

So my question would be, if I plan to scrap/sell the stock are the higher end models (PSS,XCR,Sendaro) better than the SPS or are you just paying for coatings/fluting/stocks? I've read the .308 SA 700 offerings are the same other than cosmetics (except the 5r of coures) and wasn't sure this held true for the 300 WM models.

I will only get a chance to use at UBER rangers a few times a year, so it won't come out all that often unless I get the itch for a boomer. The .22 and .308s get most of the trigger time.

 

[predatornut]

Re: 300WM Advice

I was in your boat a few months ago. I wound up getting a 5r cause it was the only heavy barrel 300 I could find in stock locally. You can sell the stock to offset the cost of an upgrade.

 

[slothlacrosse]

Re: 300WM Advice

the XCR and the 5R are both very nice rifle.

they both have stainless actions & barrels. the XCR has a black nitride coating and the 5R has the 5R rifling.

if the end game is to send it off and have it worked on, i'd get the one that costs less. they're both accurate factory offerings.

i don't know if i'd call getting $200-300 for a stock while dropping $2k on a chassis "off setting" the cost.

that's like trading in a 2006 Camry on a 2011 GT-R.

FWIW: it doesn't take much to burn out the barrel on a 300 WM

 

[30calDeath]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slothlacrosse</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

i don't know if i'd call getting $200-300 for a stock while dropping $2k on a chassis "off setting" the cost.


FWIW: it doesn't take much to burn out the barrel on a 300 WM </div></div>

I doubt he will get $300 for his used stock but maybe...
Also what chassis system is $2k. Off the top of my head I think a 2.0 folder is like $1100? And if he only shoots a few times a year with the magnum that barrel should last 2 years or more depending on how much he shoots each range trip.

 

[SgtKope]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillZone45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Also what chassis system is $2k. Off the top of my head I think a 2.0 folder is like $1100? </div></div>

Ashbury International folder is about $2500

RACS- $1800

TacMod- $1400

 

[Hawk45]

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As far as chasis systems I was thinking AICS 1.5, Mcree, XLR of which the AICS would be the most and the one I lean more towards since I have had in the past and find comfortable and ergonomic.

Is the R5 version still made or has it been replaced with the XCR? Good ol' Google isn't returning much in searches.

 

[30calDeath]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kope</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillZone45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Also what chassis system is $2k. Off the top of my head I think a 2.0 folder is like $1100? </div></div>

Ashbury International folder is about $2500

RACS- $1800

TacMod- $1400
</div></div>

LOL I think there is like 1 person on this site that has the new Ashbury folder. What is the RACS? dont know what the acronym is...

 

[crnkin]

Re: 300WM Advice

Nothing wrong with a factory sendero setup really.

My one regret with my 300 win mag is getting a hunter profile barrel. Spits shots after 4 or so, then its all over the show.

If I were to do it again, id probably buy a sendero and re stock with an a5 edge.

Chris

 

[Fritz24]

Re: 300WM Advice

Maybe a 700P LA is the way to go? HS-P Stock is decent to get you going, then if you want to get an AICS or something a bit later, you can get a few bucks for it(the HS-P stock)used as an "off-set."

 

[6XC]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillZone45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is the RACS? dont know what the acronym is... </div></div>

Remington Arms Chassis System. It's the XM2010 stock.

 

[Rob01]

Re: 300WM Advice

Get anyone of the heavy barreled models Rem makes in 300WM if you plan on dumping the stock. All will shoot about the same.

On that, look at the Manners as well. They do the Mini Chassis in long action also. A good bolt in, DBM option if you didn't want to go with the standard AICS or other chassis systems on the market and wanted a more standard style stock. $475 for a fixed stock and $360 for the Mini Chassis for a total of $835. Add $140 if you want the stock adjustable.

 

[Trophy Case]

Re: 300WM Advice

Hello all, I've been been reading posts on the Hide for quite some time now and finally got registered. This thread interests me because I'm in the same situation as "Hawk45". I'm looking to buy a 300WM as well and in his original post he mentioned possibly holding out for a TRG42. Looking for your opinions on the TRG42 vs. the Remington 700 modification you all have mentioned here. Am I way off base to suggest that after all the mods to the Remy including the stock, chassis system, trigger upgrade and possibly some gunsmith costs that you would be approaching the cost of a TRG? I'm new here so don't beat me up to bad! Most everything here suggests that the TRG42 will not disappoint right out of the box and I really want one, I just need someone to push me over the edge to buy the thing.

 

[Dollman]

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For what it's worth, a couple of years ago I had a Remington 700 in 300 WM made into a 1000 yard target rifle and it came out pretty good . Not knowing at the time any gunsmiths in the area I live in that would do this kind of work, I had Kreiger do the barreled action complete and McMillan bed and final assemble the barreled action into their A-5 stock I had them make up in a custom gel coat color scheme.

For my build I used a Krieger #9 MTU fluted barrel 28" long with a Elite Iron brake. Krieger also tuned and trued the Remington 700 reciever.

When I recieved the barreled action back from Krieger after several months I then sent it to McMillan to have them bed it into the A-5 stock I had them make for me and finish the final assembly of the rifle.

The A-5 has the upgraded logger head style adjustable cheek weld, (4) flush cups, (1) QD stud, adjustable butt stack plates, and a 1" Decel pad.

I used a Jewell trigger, and Mcanns industries +20 MOA picatinny scope mount, Badger Oradnce DBM, (5) AI magazines, a 0.250" thick recoil lug, and had a tactical "Bling-Bling" bolt knob put on it.

So the only item that is Remington on this rifle is the reciever housing and bolt I harvested from the original rifle I had, which I believe I paid about $500.00 new a year or so earlier.

The total bill for labor and material, not including the scope, rings, bipod, sling, etc... was just a hair under $2800.00. Not too bad considering that this cost was just within my original budget for this build and the finished rifle was exactly what I wanted.

This rifle shoots great and @ 100 yards will put holes in holes all day long. Also, very good for windy conditions out to 1000 yards.

However, theres a couple things that I learned with this build. Considering the original cost of the factory reciever and the added cost the gunsmithing work done to the reciever, it ended up as much or a hair over in cost of what I could have paid for a custom billet reciever such as the likes of Surgeons, Stiller or several other brands of custom receivers. Also If I ever go to sell this rifle I couldn't get much more than what a factory Remington 700 rifle would go for.

For my current build I'll be building a SA rifle in 260 with near all the same parts as the first one I had built but with a Surgeons 591 reciever.

So for me hind site has been 20/20.

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[Hawk45]

Re: 300WM Advice

Trophey Case, you are correct. I crunched those numbers when I started comparing several build options (Remington, Savage,TRG42) and the costs for similar options put the TRG42 only about $300 more. So it is a very viable option for a semi-custom factory rifle. Their reputation is also very good. Actually the 338 LM is cheaper, but that is a lot of gun. I'd be scared to break it out at less than 1k. I'm also considering the 338 Edge now as well. I'm in no big rush.

 

[LOBO151]

Re: 300WM Advice

Hawk45,
I to, was contemplating which.... build or buy a 300WM.

I have other custom builds. So, I naturally thought, go custom. When a shooting buddy, got a TRG 42 in 300WM. That thing would shoot as good or better, than any custom I have ever shot!
So, I went with the TRG 42.

Then I went back and forth, about what cal. 300WM or 338LM.
But, when I seen the over all cost of ammo VS. what I will gain.
I went with the TRG in 300WM.

I just thought I would add my experience with the subject.

LOBO 151

 

[Rancid Coolaid]

Re: 300WM Advice

Bought a 5R, had the pecker shortened to 22", put it in a McMillan HTG, couldn't be happier.

The 5Rs are boring accurate, especially for a non-custom.

 

[Gruff]

Re: 300WM Advice

My best advice is to get either the 5R or the Sendero SFII. Both are pretty darned accurate and cost is only around $1K. But be warned; A 3x20 match shooting the heavies will wear on you without a brake.

 

[woodspider]

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Rob is correct a heavy barrel is an absolute must in the 300 Win Mag do not buy the hunter profile/lighter barrels if its for long range accuracy youll be disappointed. I have a Sendero and love it and the cost wasnt bad at all. As for stock just get one your happy with, that Remmy will shoot the same out of most of the good ones.
Oh also do yourself a favor and get a good removable break put on it when you get it. That will do wonders for the recoil and your accuracy. Dont get a fixed break though, you want the removable, in case you get a suppressor later on down the road.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

Re: 300WM Advice

I would go this route..........

 

[Hawk45]

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Lobo, exactly the advice I was looking for, thanks brother.

Rancid/Ruff, The 5R is at the top of the list at the moment, and adding a brake will be the first thing I do. I've done 50rd sessions with my old 300WM Savage in 14lb non-braked setup and my shoulder was pretty sore. I'm past the days of saying "I don't need a brake". Father time is reminding more and more that I'm not 25yrs anymore.

 

[Triman2008]

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I've got a R700 .300WM in a XLR chassis....thing just shots. I have about a 1500 into the gun and chassis. Plus it came with DBM already in the stock. I'm not sure what a TRG42 in .300WM goes for, but I'm sure you can get into a Rem system for a little cheaper and have the same fun. My $.02

 

[Shooter McGavin]

Re: 300WM Advice

TRG Black stock - $2500

TRG Green stock - $2600

Options:
Muzzle break - $200
Extra mags - $175
Sako Bipod - $450
Atlas bipod - 279.95
BT28 AFAR Kit - $34.95

TRG green( with Muzzle break and Sako bipod) - $3250
TRG green ( with Atlas bipod and AFAR kit) - $3114.90

Remington 5R - $1020

Threaded for break - $175
Badger FTE - $139.99
Jewell Rifle Trigger Remington 700 - $ $229.99 ( to make it comparable to the Sako TRG)

XLR evolution chassis complete - $695
chassis option needed:
Rail kit - $95
AiCS WM 5 rnd - $85
total for stock - $875

Atlas bipod - $279.95

R5 - $2719.93 (note: if it doesn't shoot well and you have it accurized and new bbl put on it the cost goes up. To accurize the action add $250. The cost of the bbl (Krieger $330) to install it for $250. Add having it threaded $175. This would increase your cost of the R5 to $3724.93.

This means you will have spent $474.93 more than the TRG if you don't get a shooter right out of the box. Remington is hit and miss. For every one that says they have a shooter right out of the box there is some one else pissed off at Remington. So for insurance spend $530.07(Sako bipod)/$394.97(Atlas bipod) more and get the Sako TRG. At least with the TRG you know it will be a shooter out of the box.

JMO

 

[Hawk45]

Re: 300WM Advice

Those are exactly my thoughts..

Going with a 700 in a factory stock is doable, but the brake install is a must. That can get me/you/anyone in the game at least. It also allows you to upgrade down the road if you want to add a chassis system to replace the factory stock. The 700 option allows you to spread the cost out, where the TRG route is a hunk of change all at once. If anyone is like me, I can't resist the chance to start "upgrading" right away (it's a sickness) and in the end can cost more in the long run and be sitting in a gunsmith shop instead of on the range.

 

[Hawk45]

Re: 300WM Advice

Ammo cost aside, is there any reason you wouldn't go with a 338LM or larger round vs the 300WM?

 

[3fingervic]

Re: 300WM Advice

This seems like a logical choice to me. It has all of your wishes for under $1,700.

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?c...IwAQ#ps-sellers

 

[Trophy Case]

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I think "Shooter McGavin" summed it up pretty good with the rundown on cost for both sides of the argument, thank you for the insight. Like I said before I just needed a small push to get me going in the right direction. By the way, your picture flat out sums it up, that thing is awesome. Bottom line is, the TRG seems like an outstanding value right out of the box. I see Euro Optics is having a nice promotional sale on the 338 Lapua, I will probably call them to discuss the 300WM.

 

[Trophy Case]

Re: 300WM Advice

I forgot to ask, does the barrel on the TRG need to be sent off to be threaded or does it come threaded from the factory for the break?

 

[Shooter McGavin]

Re: 300WM Advice

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Trophy Case</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I forgot to ask, does the barrel on the TRG need to be sent off to be threaded or does it come threaded from the factory for the break? </div></div>

The TRGs are threaded from the factory.

 

[Trophy Case]

Re: 300WM Advice

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter McGavin</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Trophy Case</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I forgot to ask, does the barrel on the TRG need to be sent off to be threaded or does it come threaded from the factory for the break? </div></div>

The TRGs are threaded from the factory. </div></div>


Thanks Shooter, that's one less thing to have to worry about.
Decision Made!