I have a Remington m700 mil spec 5R with a 26" barrel. I know that this has been discussed on here before but I didn't find anything dealing with the .300WM specifically. My question is what length barrels are you guys running? I'm thinking of reducing mine to somewhere between 22-24 inches. eventually I plan to suppress it. I'm aware that the velocity loss is not that great, but how much will it affect me at 1500yds? Is there any other reason out there NOT to cut the barrel down other than velocity? Thanks for the help.
300WM shooters.
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Re: 300WM shooters.
24" Gotta get all that powder burned up. Man look at the AIs and Sakos in that caliber they are all in the 26-27.5" range. If I were you I would just thread your 26" and run with it. Good luck.
24" Gotta get all that powder burned up. Man look at the AIs and Sakos in that caliber they are all in the 26-27.5" range. If I were you I would just thread your 26" and run with it. Good luck.
Re: 300WM shooters.
I too will be going with a 26" with brake should be about 27 1/2 to 28", plus a long barrel looks cool
I too will be going with a 26" with brake should be about 27 1/2 to 28", plus a long barrel looks cool
Re: 300WM shooters.
I run a 28", yes it's long, heavy but it dose a great job.
If you want a shorter 20" or such just get a 308 0r 223, why waste the money on more powder, brass with less life and recoil.
If you want to play past 1000 keep it long.
I run a 28", yes it's long, heavy but it dose a great job.
If you want a shorter 20" or such just get a 308 0r 223, why waste the money on more powder, brass with less life and recoil.
If you want to play past 1000 keep it long.
Re: 300WM shooters.
You should only see about 50-60 fps loss going from 26-24". Shorter barrels show more exponential velocity losses such as going from 16" to 13.5"
You should only see about 50-60 fps loss going from 26-24". Shorter barrels show more exponential velocity losses such as going from 16" to 13.5"
Re: 300WM shooters.
OK. Other side of the fence. I have a 22" barrel on my WM. Perhaps I have one of those barrels that crosses a rift in the space/time continuum, but I'm getting 2870 with H1000 pushing 208's seated to just off the lands (approx. 3.65 COAL).
This rifle is a hammer at 1500 yds. Barely breathing hard at a mile and we've shot it with very promising results at 2000+ yds.
Having said that, I would side with Rob01 now. 24" would be a better balance I think. But if I'd believed everybody who said don't do it, I'd have never known would I?
If you're distance limited to 1500 yds, 24" is probably ideal.
John
OK. Other side of the fence. I have a 22" barrel on my WM. Perhaps I have one of those barrels that crosses a rift in the space/time continuum, but I'm getting 2870 with H1000 pushing 208's seated to just off the lands (approx. 3.65 COAL).
This rifle is a hammer at 1500 yds. Barely breathing hard at a mile and we've shot it with very promising results at 2000+ yds.
Having said that, I would side with Rob01 now. 24" would be a better balance I think. But if I'd believed everybody who said don't do it, I'd have never known would I?
If you're distance limited to 1500 yds, 24" is probably ideal.
John
Re: 300WM shooters.
Thoughts by some guy named Mike Rescigno on the topic... owns a little hole-in-the-wall outfit called Tac Ops:
"An 18- to 20-inch barrel may be fine for a caliber like the .308 Win., but what about calibers such as the .300 Winchester Magnum (7.62x66B)? Many agencies are opting for this cartridge as a result of its long range ballistics. The .308 Win. has a maximum effective range of about 800 yards. While this is certainly more than enough for most law enforcement scenarios (law enforcement snipers rarely have to engage targets at more than 100 yards), the .300 Win. Mag. does increase the maximum effective range by an additional this comes with the price of additional recoil.
Many agencies purchasing a .300 Win. Mag. will primarily be employing the rifle in an urban environment. The common reason for opting for the .300 Win. Mag. that it extends the capabilities of the rifle to longer ranges than the .308 Winchester is capable in those rare situations where longer range capability is necessary. This leads to an obvious question -- will going to a shorter barrel for added maneuverability in the urban environment adversely affect long range performance of a rifle in this caliber?
To find the answers, Tac Ops took a 26-inch barreled .300 Win. Mag. and chopped the barrel down in one-inch increments as they previously did with the .308 Winchester. Ten rounds of Federal Match 190-grain BTHP Gold Medal were fired from each increment. No velocity was lost from 26 inches to 22 inches. Velocity loss started to occur only after they went below 22 inches.
As a result of their tests, Tac Ops decided not to go below 22 inches on their .300 Win. Mag. tactical precision rifle, the Alpha 66. According to Mike Rescigno, President of Tac Ops, the 22-inch barrel is ideal for the tactical shooters that are going to use the 190-grain Federal Match ammo. There isn't any loss of performance by going to the 22-inch barrel and this round. The Alpha 66 still provides 1/4-MOA or better accuracy.
For heavier bullets or hotter loads with slower burning powders, Rescigno recommends a 24- to 26-inch barrel. The longer barrel length is necessary for complete powder combustion with these loads. Rescigno adds that he has a 24-inch barrel on his personal .300 Win. Mag. just in case he wants "to shoot the heavier 220-grain bullets with a lot of powder."
FWIW
John
Thoughts by some guy named Mike Rescigno on the topic... owns a little hole-in-the-wall outfit called Tac Ops:
"An 18- to 20-inch barrel may be fine for a caliber like the .308 Win., but what about calibers such as the .300 Winchester Magnum (7.62x66B)? Many agencies are opting for this cartridge as a result of its long range ballistics. The .308 Win. has a maximum effective range of about 800 yards. While this is certainly more than enough for most law enforcement scenarios (law enforcement snipers rarely have to engage targets at more than 100 yards), the .300 Win. Mag. does increase the maximum effective range by an additional this comes with the price of additional recoil.
Many agencies purchasing a .300 Win. Mag. will primarily be employing the rifle in an urban environment. The common reason for opting for the .300 Win. Mag. that it extends the capabilities of the rifle to longer ranges than the .308 Winchester is capable in those rare situations where longer range capability is necessary. This leads to an obvious question -- will going to a shorter barrel for added maneuverability in the urban environment adversely affect long range performance of a rifle in this caliber?
To find the answers, Tac Ops took a 26-inch barreled .300 Win. Mag. and chopped the barrel down in one-inch increments as they previously did with the .308 Winchester. Ten rounds of Federal Match 190-grain BTHP Gold Medal were fired from each increment. No velocity was lost from 26 inches to 22 inches. Velocity loss started to occur only after they went below 22 inches.
As a result of their tests, Tac Ops decided not to go below 22 inches on their .300 Win. Mag. tactical precision rifle, the Alpha 66. According to Mike Rescigno, President of Tac Ops, the 22-inch barrel is ideal for the tactical shooters that are going to use the 190-grain Federal Match ammo. There isn't any loss of performance by going to the 22-inch barrel and this round. The Alpha 66 still provides 1/4-MOA or better accuracy.
For heavier bullets or hotter loads with slower burning powders, Rescigno recommends a 24- to 26-inch barrel. The longer barrel length is necessary for complete powder combustion with these loads. Rescigno adds that he has a 24-inch barrel on his personal .300 Win. Mag. just in case he wants "to shoot the heavier 220-grain bullets with a lot of powder."
FWIW
John
Re: 300WM shooters.
To find the answers, Tac Ops took a 26-inch barreled .300 Win. Mag. and chopped the barrel down in one-inch increments as they previously did with the .308 Winchester. Ten rounds of Federal Match 190-grain BTHP Gold Medal were fired from each increment. No velocity was lost from 26 inches to 22 inches. Velocity loss started to occur only after they went below 22 inches.
I find that hard to believe. I don't want to chop of my barrel and inch at a time to find out but zero velocity loss with 4" barrel loss? Try to tell your girl friend that one!
To find the answers, Tac Ops took a 26-inch barreled .300 Win. Mag. and chopped the barrel down in one-inch increments as they previously did with the .308 Winchester. Ten rounds of Federal Match 190-grain BTHP Gold Medal were fired from each increment. No velocity was lost from 26 inches to 22 inches. Velocity loss started to occur only after they went below 22 inches.
I find that hard to believe. I don't want to chop of my barrel and inch at a time to find out but zero velocity loss with 4" barrel loss? Try to tell your girl friend that one!
Re: 300WM shooters.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">boltripper like carrying a big stick </div></div>
Is that "talk softer, but carry a big stick"? I thought I have heard that from somewhere.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">boltripper like carrying a big stick </div></div>
Is that "talk softer, but carry a big stick"? I thought I have heard that from somewhere.
Re: 300WM shooters.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DesertHK</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">boltripper like carrying a big stick </div></div>
Is that "talk softer, but carry a big stick"? I thought I have heard that from somewhere. </div></div>
I believe the original quote is by Roosevelt.
As for .300 Win Mag, 26" barrel on the Encore, and 24" on the Mauser action, and I prefer the 26".
Enjoy your build.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DesertHK</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">boltripper like carrying a big stick </div></div>
Is that "talk softer, but carry a big stick"? I thought I have heard that from somewhere. </div></div>
I believe the original quote is by Roosevelt.
As for .300 Win Mag, 26" barrel on the Encore, and 24" on the Mauser action, and I prefer the 26".
Enjoy your build.
Re: 300WM shooters.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KSwift</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I believe the original quote is by Roosevelt.</div></div>
...as in Teddy. And he had balls and stomach for a fight not shared by many since.
Back to our beloved WM's...
John
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KSwift</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I believe the original quote is by Roosevelt.</div></div>
...as in Teddy. And he had balls and stomach for a fight not shared by many since.
Back to our beloved WM's...
John
Re: 300WM shooters.
Mines 27 1/2 inches long , to enable me to have enough meat to re-chamber it once , so after a re-chamber it will finish at 26 inches .
It has a AI AWM fluted profile , mounted on a Badger .
Cheers Chris
Mines 27 1/2 inches long , to enable me to have enough meat to re-chamber it once , so after a re-chamber it will finish at 26 inches .
It has a AI AWM fluted profile , mounted on a Badger .
Cheers Chris
Re: 300WM shooters.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DesertHK</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">boltripper like carrying a big stick </div></div>
Is that "talk softer, but carry a big stick"? I thought I have heard that from somewhere. </div></div>
Mongo like!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DesertHK</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">boltripper like carrying a big stick </div></div>
Is that "talk softer, but carry a big stick"? I thought I have heard that from somewhere. </div></div>
Mongo like!
Re: 300WM shooters.
The Tac Ops article is only with 190grn FGMM. The most important part is the last paragraph that people don't read:
"For heavier bullets or hotter loads with slower burning powders, Rescigno recommends a 24- to 26-inch barrel. The longer barrel length is necessary for complete powder combustion with these loads. Rescigno adds that he has a 24-inch barrel on his personal .300 Win. Mag. just in case he wants "to shoot the heavier 220-grain bullets with a lot of powder."
The Tac Ops article is only with 190grn FGMM. The most important part is the last paragraph that people don't read:
"For heavier bullets or hotter loads with slower burning powders, Rescigno recommends a 24- to 26-inch barrel. The longer barrel length is necessary for complete powder combustion with these loads. Rescigno adds that he has a 24-inch barrel on his personal .300 Win. Mag. just in case he wants "to shoot the heavier 220-grain bullets with a lot of powder."
Re: 300WM shooters.
I'm sort of in the same boat. I won a SAS suppressor at the Reade Spring Match last year and upgraded it to titanium. I'm re-chambering my .264WM to a suppressed 300WM. It will bounce between my hunting stock and an AICS. Really don't want a 32" hunting rifle with it being suppressed (I want to take in on an Idaho Elk hunt this year). Really thinking of going 22". Planning on running the 208 A-max.
JamieD
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I'm sort of in the same boat. I won a SAS suppressor at the Reade Spring Match last year and upgraded it to titanium. I'm re-chambering my .264WM to a suppressed 300WM. It will bounce between my hunting stock and an AICS. Really don't want a 32" hunting rifle with it being suppressed (I want to take in on an Idaho Elk hunt this year). Really thinking of going 22". Planning on running the 208 A-max.
JamieD
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Re: 300WM shooters.
I wonder if anybody has cut the throat on out on a 264 Win mag to load some longer bullets in to see what it will do.I think that caliber was way ahead of its time.Thwe .264 bullets have changed drastically for the better.If you could put a 140AMAX or 142 SMK in that baby it would probably be a whole other creature with plenty of velocity.
I wonder if anybody has cut the throat on out on a 264 Win mag to load some longer bullets in to see what it will do.I think that caliber was way ahead of its time.Thwe .264 bullets have changed drastically for the better.If you could put a 140AMAX or 142 SMK in that baby it would probably be a whole other creature with plenty of velocity.
Re: 300WM shooters.
I love my .264 and did run the 140 A-max for varminting and SST's for Deer and Elk. Really a mild mannered magnum. I plan on keeping all the reloading equipment and may agian someday put another .264 barrel on it. If I hadn't won the 300WM rated SAS it probably would stay a .264. But the Elk in Idaho can really be out there and the extra punch and range will be nice.
JamieD
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I love my .264 and did run the 140 A-max for varminting and SST's for Deer and Elk. Really a mild mannered magnum. I plan on keeping all the reloading equipment and may agian someday put another .264 barrel on it. If I hadn't won the 300WM rated SAS it probably would stay a .264. But the Elk in Idaho can really be out there and the extra punch and range will be nice.
JamieD
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Re: 300WM shooters.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shoot4fun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To find the answers, Tac Ops took a 26-inch barreled .300 Win. Mag. and chopped the barrel down in one-inch increments as they previously did with the .308 Winchester. Ten rounds of Federal Match 190-grain BTHP Gold Medal were fired from each increment. No velocity was lost from 26 inches to 22 inches. Velocity loss started to occur only after they went below 22 inches.</div></div>
I call SERIOUS bullshit on that one.
-David
Edgewood, NM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shoot4fun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To find the answers, Tac Ops took a 26-inch barreled .300 Win. Mag. and chopped the barrel down in one-inch increments as they previously did with the .308 Winchester. Ten rounds of Federal Match 190-grain BTHP Gold Medal were fired from each increment. No velocity was lost from 26 inches to 22 inches. Velocity loss started to occur only after they went below 22 inches.</div></div>
I call SERIOUS bullshit on that one.
-David
Edgewood, NM
Re: 300WM shooters.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nmmi9100</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shoot4fun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To find the answers, Tac Ops took a 26-inch barreled .300 Win. Mag. and chopped the barrel down in one-inch increments as they previously did with the .308 Winchester. Ten rounds of Federal Match 190-grain BTHP Gold Medal were fired from each increment. No velocity was lost from 26 inches to 22 inches. Velocity loss started to occur only after they went below 22 inches.</div></div>
I call SERIOUS bullshit on that one.
-David
Edgewood, NM </div></div>
Is that your *informed* opinion? Or just your opinion. It would appear that someone with extremely good credentials has actually done the work and found that 100% burn was accomplished in a 22" barrel with FGMM 190gr. Could you please share your data to support your argument?
Or do you believe the Earth is flat too?
Internet opinions are worth the time it takes to type them... or in this case even less.
John
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nmmi9100</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shoot4fun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To find the answers, Tac Ops took a 26-inch barreled .300 Win. Mag. and chopped the barrel down in one-inch increments as they previously did with the .308 Winchester. Ten rounds of Federal Match 190-grain BTHP Gold Medal were fired from each increment. No velocity was lost from 26 inches to 22 inches. Velocity loss started to occur only after they went below 22 inches.</div></div>
I call SERIOUS bullshit on that one.
-David
Edgewood, NM </div></div>
Is that your *informed* opinion? Or just your opinion. It would appear that someone with extremely good credentials has actually done the work and found that 100% burn was accomplished in a 22" barrel with FGMM 190gr. Could you please share your data to support your argument?
Or do you believe the Earth is flat too?
Internet opinions are worth the time it takes to type them... or in this case even less.
John
Re: 300WM shooters.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nmmi9100</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nmmi9100</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
shoot4fun said:
Re: 300WM shooters.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shoot4fun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To find the answers, Tac Ops took a 26-inch barreled .300 Win. Mag. and chopped the barrel down in one-inch increments as they previously did with the .308 Winchester. Ten rounds of Federal Match 190-grain BTHP Gold Medal were fired from each increment. No velocity was lost from 26 inches to 22 inches. Velocity loss started to occur only after they went below 22 inches.
I find that hard to believe. I don't want to chop of my barrel and inch at a time to find out but zero velocity loss with 4" barrel loss? Try to tell your girl friend that one!</div></div>
LOL
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shoot4fun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To find the answers, Tac Ops took a 26-inch barreled .300 Win. Mag. and chopped the barrel down in one-inch increments as they previously did with the .308 Winchester. Ten rounds of Federal Match 190-grain BTHP Gold Medal were fired from each increment. No velocity was lost from 26 inches to 22 inches. Velocity loss started to occur only after they went below 22 inches.
I find that hard to believe. I don't want to chop of my barrel and inch at a time to find out but zero velocity loss with 4" barrel loss? Try to tell your girl friend that one!</div></div>
LOL
Re: 300WM shooters.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LHill22250</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does Tac Ops sell any rifles in any configuration with a 22" barrel length??
I don't need to explain my reasoning for my question if they do. </div></div>
From their web page:
"Tac Ops proprietary chrome-moly or stainless steel Krieger. Barrel length 18 to 20” in 308 and 20-26 in 300 W.M. (specified by customer)"
Apparently they don't believe that bullets will fall out of the end of the barrel and hit the ground if they make you a 20" barrel either.
http://www.tacticaloperations.com/
John
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LHill22250</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does Tac Ops sell any rifles in any configuration with a 22" barrel length??
I don't need to explain my reasoning for my question if they do. </div></div>
From their web page:
"Tac Ops proprietary chrome-moly or stainless steel Krieger. Barrel length 18 to 20” in 308 and 20-26 in 300 W.M. (specified by customer)"
Apparently they don't believe that bullets will fall out of the end of the barrel and hit the ground if they make you a 20" barrel either.
http://www.tacticaloperations.com/
John
Re: 300WM shooters.
I'm not joining the fray, but here is the link to the article mentioned:
http://www.tacticaloperations.com/SWATbarrel/
I'm not joining the fray, but here is the link to the article mentioned:
http://www.tacticaloperations.com/SWATbarrel/
Re: 300WM shooters.
uh, Shoot4fun did not post the ramblings of Mr. Tac Ops. Look back a post or so from mine and you will see where it came from.
I did say that I did not believe you could lose 4" of barrel and lose no velocity.
I was trying to be nice about it. I didn't "Call Bullshit".
Please read my post again.
I read an article on 22LR barrel length once. They started at a long length and went down. As the barrel got shorter the velocity actually started to increase. I believe that as the bullet was in the barrel long after the powder was all burned.
I DO NOT believe the same to be true with a 300 WM, as it usually requires a very slow burning powder.
uh, Shoot4fun did not post the ramblings of Mr. Tac Ops. Look back a post or so from mine and you will see where it came from.
I did say that I did not believe you could lose 4" of barrel and lose no velocity.
I was trying to be nice about it. I didn't "Call Bullshit".
Please read my post again.
I read an article on 22LR barrel length once. They started at a long length and went down. As the barrel got shorter the velocity actually started to increase. I believe that as the bullet was in the barrel long after the powder was all burned.
I DO NOT believe the same to be true with a 300 WM, as it usually requires a very slow burning powder.
Re: 300WM shooters.
OP asked for opinions about barrel length.
In addition to my own personal experience, I also added the research of a very respected member of the community. Our findings were similar. Mike found that 190 gr FGMM showed no appreciable velocity loss from 26" to 22", BUT his personal choice was 24" to shoot the heavier bullets. Rob01 is getting in the 2975 range from his WM with 208's. I have a mild load that gives 2870 and a hotter load that will give 3000 fps on a hot day (and loose primer pockets) but is good for 2950 on a 70 deg day with no adverse pressure signs. So, some velocity loss, but no what one would expect and certainly by NO means neutered.
If you think we're both lying there's really nothing I can do to help you. Believe what you want. Hopefully this thread was helpful to the OP.
John
OP asked for opinions about barrel length.
In addition to my own personal experience, I also added the research of a very respected member of the community. Our findings were similar. Mike found that 190 gr FGMM showed no appreciable velocity loss from 26" to 22", BUT his personal choice was 24" to shoot the heavier bullets. Rob01 is getting in the 2975 range from his WM with 208's. I have a mild load that gives 2870 and a hotter load that will give 3000 fps on a hot day (and loose primer pockets) but is good for 2950 on a 70 deg day with no adverse pressure signs. So, some velocity loss, but no what one would expect and certainly by NO means neutered.
If you think we're both lying there's really nothing I can do to help you. Believe what you want. Hopefully this thread was helpful to the OP.
John
Re: 300WM shooters.
Your first post says NO loss of velocity but now you say no appreciable loss in velocity. I can see the latter but there is no way you can lose 4" of barrel on a 300WM without losing some FPS.
Your first post says NO loss of velocity but now you say no appreciable loss in velocity. I can see the latter but there is no way you can lose 4" of barrel on a 300WM without losing some FPS.
Re: 300WM shooters.
The Tac Ops article says "no". Appreciable was my word and probably inappropriate. I did no testing with the 190 FGMM. Tac Ops did. But if 100% powder burn was accomplished by 22" there would been no advantage to a longer barrel.
You're entitled to think whatever you like. I trust Mike and Tac Ops to appropriately evaluate a firearm system with regard to performance. They have a much better resume in this field than I do.
John
The Tac Ops article says "no". Appreciable was my word and probably inappropriate. I did no testing with the 190 FGMM. Tac Ops did. But if 100% powder burn was accomplished by 22" there would been no advantage to a longer barrel.
You're entitled to think whatever you like. I trust Mike and Tac Ops to appropriately evaluate a firearm system with regard to performance. They have a much better resume in this field than I do.
John
Re: 300WM shooters.
Tac Ops contact information:
Tactical Operations, Inc.
433 North Camden Dr. 4th Fl. #239
Beverly Hills, Ca 90210
Phone 310 275-8797
Fax 323 933-3521
[email protected]
I'm sure Mike R. would love to hear your thoughts on the matter.
John
Tac Ops contact information:
Tactical Operations, Inc.
433 North Camden Dr. 4th Fl. #239
Beverly Hills, Ca 90210
Phone 310 275-8797
Fax 323 933-3521
[email protected]
I'm sure Mike R. would love to hear your thoughts on the matter.
John
Re: 300WM shooters.
boltripper wonders......if one could still get high boolit speed on short barrels,,,IF one had a tight bore or a gain twist barrel made just for them that desire the stunted/retarded way of launching winmag projos.........just sayin!
boltripper wonders......if one could still get high boolit speed on short barrels,,,IF one had a tight bore or a gain twist barrel made just for them that desire the stunted/retarded way of launching winmag projos.........just sayin!
Re: 300WM shooters.
Despite the bickering in the middle of this thread, it's been a very timely read for me and my 300WM project I'm getting together.
I spoke with Charley from Score High today, and am pretty sure he's gonna get my money for a build. I get a good vibe speaking with him and what I could find about him has been quite positive.
-G45
Despite the bickering in the middle of this thread, it's been a very timely read for me and my 300WM project I'm getting together.
I spoke with Charley from Score High today, and am pretty sure he's gonna get my money for a build. I get a good vibe speaking with him and what I could find about him has been quite positive.
-G45
Re: 300WM shooters.
The 300WM has been around for a while now and, even though there are the "new kids on the block" in the magnum class that get hyped, it is still the best IMHO.
As for the bickering, it is just all part of the show here. If no one that came here had an opinion there wouldn't be any need for you to come here and read.
Good luck with your build!
I still think 24" is bare minimum and 1 in 10 twist but I would be interested to hear what Score High has to say about it.
The 300WM has been around for a while now and, even though there are the "new kids on the block" in the magnum class that get hyped, it is still the best IMHO.
As for the bickering, it is just all part of the show here. If no one that came here had an opinion there wouldn't be any need for you to come here and read.
Good luck with your build!
I still think 24" is bare minimum and 1 in 10 twist but I would be interested to hear what Score High has to say about it.
Re: 300WM shooters.
I'm running a Rock 28" , Berger 190's at 3000fps, my Lapua brass has over 15 reloads on it. Now i loose about 1-2 out of 100 pieces due to neck split or loose primer pocket.
Like to thank Lapua for discontinuing 300wm brass
I'm running a Rock 28" , Berger 190's at 3000fps, my Lapua brass has over 15 reloads on it. Now i loose about 1-2 out of 100 pieces due to neck split or loose primer pocket.
Like to thank Lapua for discontinuing 300wm brass
Re: 300WM shooters.
I went from 26" to 22", contoured for the OPS 3rd Model and I'm very happy.
Im in a different boat than most as I only get 1000 yards once a year and wanted something more manageable with the suppressor hanging off the front of it.
I appreciate all the conversations that jrob300 had with me and think you should look at all the options and do what fits your situation best. Its your money in the long run.....
Good luck in whatever you decide.
John
Below is with the new 22"
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I went from 26" to 22", contoured for the OPS 3rd Model and I'm very happy.
Im in a different boat than most as I only get 1000 yards once a year and wanted something more manageable with the suppressor hanging off the front of it.
I appreciate all the conversations that jrob300 had with me and think you should look at all the options and do what fits your situation best. Its your money in the long run.....
Good luck in whatever you decide.
John
Below is with the new 22"
Re: 300WM shooters.
i have the same rifle,.. i added the Surefire brake/suppressor addaptor and im leaving it as is for a while,. even with the can mounted it is very spear like because of its added length. but im ok with that.
i'd leave it until you got some time on the shorter barrel .300WM's
what load does your rifle like?
i have the same rifle,.. i added the Surefire brake/suppressor addaptor and im leaving it as is for a while,. even with the can mounted it is very spear like because of its added length. but im ok with that.
i'd leave it until you got some time on the shorter barrel .300WM's
what load does your rifle like?
Re: 300WM shooters.
i run a 26" on my R700, I wouldn't go any shorte than 24" as stated by many others.
i run a 26" on my R700, I wouldn't go any shorte than 24" as stated by many others.
Re: 300WM shooters.
The way to go for a .300WM Barrel:
Bartlien Barrel
26" Length
#7 MTU Contour
1-10 Twist
Badger FTE Brake
The way to go for a .300WM Barrel:
Bartlien Barrel
26" Length
#7 MTU Contour
1-10 Twist
Badger FTE Brake
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