308win resizing problem

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I am having a probl em resizing fired brass. I am using hornady custom grade dies. When I run my lubed case into the die (full length reside) it will go about two thirds of the way smoothly, then just stops. I have to push down with everything I can to get the case all the way into the die. It's easier if I back the die off a few turns, but this is what happens.


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On the shoulder side of the bump the case measures .345 the side that hasn't been resized. The resized part measures .330 this is win brass twice fired.

I have measured cases of fired and resized 300wsm brass and the resized necks measure .335 the fired united measures the same as thefired 308 brass. Neck thickness is the same .315 the inside measures the same .305 on both caliber same with loaded cases of each. But I never had half this problem resizing for the short mag using rcbs dies.

My question is do I get a different resize die? What should/can I do about this? If I get a reading die with a titanium bashing and justneck size will I have to still lube cases?
 
#2
Re: 308win resizing problem

Are these your first go at reloading .308?

First time with these dies?

What lube are you using, and are you using it correctly? Some lubes, like Dillon's spray lube needs 5-10 minutes for the alchohol to evaporate before if becomes greasy. If you rush it, they'll go in hard and often won't come out!

Make sure the case and the die is clear of any crap such as media or other debris.

 
#4
Re: 308win resizing problem

First loading 308. Dies were brand new, no obstructions using rcbs lube same exact process as with my 300 except hornady dies. The problem seems to start when the neck goes in to be resized. To me it seems like I am sizing it down to far the body itself is getting resized .006 in the middle of the case. Where the neck is getting sized down around .015
 
#6
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tangodown911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Unlikely, but the die could be miscut. </div></div>
I called Hordady on Friday with a similar problem with .308 dies. My brass was actually growing and would not chamber in my rifle. The technician said it sounded lime my die was miscut and they are shipping me another.

I have to say. I'm having mixed emotions about Honady's reloading equipment. My LNL was missing a part, and the die was miscut. Not impressive at all. On the otherhand, their customer service is outstanding. When I told them about the missing part, they immediately shipped it out no questions asked and when I received the package, it also had several aditional retainer springs and an extra powder measure return spring. I haven't received the new die yet, but I expect it will be made right. We'll see.
 
#7
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fuzzball</div><div class="ubbcode-body">99% of such problems are poor lube and/or insufficent lube on the lower, thicker part of the cases. </div></div>

I tried more lube to the point it was running off and just fully, messilly coated to no avail.
 
#8
Re: 308win resizing problem

Get some imperial sizing wax first. I have the rcsb lube and it doesn't cut the mustard on 308 range brass. If your measurements are correct the die does sound
out of whack. Was this brass fired in your gun or what was it fired from?
 
#10
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigwheeler</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Get some imperial sizing wax first. I have the rcsb lube and it doesn't cut the mustard on 308 range brass. If your measurements are correct the die does sound
out of whack. Was this brass fired in your gun or what was it fired from? </div></div>

This is all brass that I bought new and only fired in this gun. I triple checked the measurements and spent an hour doing the measuring comparing.

Will try some imperial.wax.
 
#11
Re: 308win resizing problem

+1 on the Imperial. Also, they make a neck lube that I have ordered from Midway. It is a cup of little ceramic beads that have moly or some other such dry lube in it for lubing the inside of the necks. Amazing stuff! I had a lot of trouble extracting the case through the expander and that cured it. The other thing to look at is to thoroughly clean the inside of your dies. Use a good solvent or even alcohol and make sure that the dies aren't scored from dirty cases or rough machining marks. It doesn't take a lot to scratch up the inside of the dies and then they are a lot harder to use. If so, I have saved a few of them with jeweler's rouge on a felt wheel with a dremel.
 
#12
Re: 308win resizing problem

ubet,

Just finished full length resizing some 308 cases, and took a measurement. .335 at the neck after sizing, using Redding dies. Please don't take this the wrong way I'm not trying to be a smart arse, but did you by any chance take the expander out? Also check the expander measurement of the Hornady against the RCBS, they should be the same.
Another thing to check is the web of the case, one from the Hornady die and one from your mates die. I gather you've got just the one 308 die. It could be over sizing your cases, if it is a new sizing die could be in order.
Are these New Dies? if so, have they been given a good clean and pre lubed for the first sizing?

As to lube, Imperial sizing lube.

If you go neck sizing with Nitride bushing you don't have to lube. But it's best to lube to lessen scuff marks on the bushing and neck of cases. I use Neco dry lube kit, it's got Moly in it, very slippery.

I hope some of this helps. Some of the more experienced people here will chime in to help.

Regards, Albert
 
#14
Re: 308win resizing problem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xdguy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tangodown911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Unlikely, but the die could be miscut. </div></div>
I called Hordady on Friday with a similar problem with .308 dies. My brass was actually growing and would not chamber in my rifle. </div></div>

It surprises many newbies that if the die is not screwed down far enough, the case will grow at the sholder. This is simply Murpy's law as applied to reloading. When the base of eh case is compressed radially, something has to give. We would all like the brass to flow back laterally/radially back from whence it came, but alass, if flows longitudinally, and pushes the sholder outward.
 
#15
Re: 308win resizing problem

I'm not having problems with the shoulder though, its the neck that I'm having problems with

I did take the expanded out (for a second) because I thought it could be the problem but its not. Some of the cases were hanging up on it when I was pulling them back out, button me, I think it was because the neckswere getting sized to small. I am starting to think that the die might be mis cut?
 
#16
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MitchAlsup</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xdguy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tangodown911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Unlikely, but the die could be miscut. </div></div>
I called Hordady on Friday with a similar problem with .308 dies. My brass was actually growing and would not chamber in my rifle. </div></div>

It surprises many newbies that if the die is not screwed down far enough, the case will grow at the sholder. This is simply Murpy's law as applied to reloading. When the base of eh case is compressed radially, something has to give. We would all like the brass to flow back laterally/radially back from whence it came, but alass, if flows longitudinally, and pushes the sholder outward. </div></div>

It's hard to screw it down past the shell plate.
 
#17
Re: 308win resizing problem

ubet,

By the sounds of it you have taken all the measurements. Like some of the others have said, and your thought's also, it would have to be a miss cut die. The only time I see necks like that are when I'm using Redding Dies with a bushing.

Regards, Albert
 
#18
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Thanks for all the input. Problem fixed, I bought a redding die set, and after using the resizing die today with imperial wax, will never use anything else. After thinking about it and comparing the two, deffinetly a miscut die. And this is deffinetly not my first time reloading, I do know how to adjust my dies properly.
 
#19
Re: 308win resizing problem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xdguy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MitchAlsup</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xdguy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tangodown911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Unlikely, but the die could be miscut. </div></div>
I called Hordady on Friday with a similar problem with .308 dies. My brass was actually growing and would not chamber in my rifle. </div></div>

It surprises many newbies that if the die is not screwed down far enough, the case will grow at the sholder. This is simply Murpy's law as applied to reloading. When the base of eh case is compressed radially, something has to give. We would all like the brass to flow back laterally/radially back from whence it came, but alass, if flows longitudinally, and pushes the sholder outward. </div></div>

It's hard to screw it down past the shell plate.</div></div>



Not at all.

Sometimes the sizing die should be turned 1/8 or a 1/4 turn past shell plate.
 
#20
Re: 308win resizing problem

I personally watched Ubet go through all of these problems. I literally thought he was going to tear the press off the table. Although I think he refilled the RCBS lube bottle with KY Jelly??? I told him that was a bad idea. It does sound like the Redding Dies like the Ky though- Just sayin! LOL
 
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