Of the extreme long range calibers is there one that is more wallet friendly to shoot. I currently shoot .233 and .308 and handload for both. I am interested in an extreme long range rifle but dont want to break the bank in order to shoot it. I will be handloading for this caliber as well. Is there one caliber who's component are less expensive or will this rifle be a once a year shoot?
.416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
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Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
416 would be most expensive (less options for suppliers). 50BMG would be next and the 338 would be the cheaper of the 3 listed. You can make the 338LM cheaper to shoot by not using Lapua components but I am not sure how long the Hornady or other brass will hold up compared to the Lapua stuff. I use Lapua brass in my 338 DTA's.
416 would be most expensive (less options for suppliers). 50BMG would be next and the 338 would be the cheaper of the 3 listed. You can make the 338LM cheaper to shoot by not using Lapua components but I am not sure how long the Hornady or other brass will hold up compared to the Lapua stuff. I use Lapua brass in my 338 DTA's.
Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Training Wheels</div><div class="ubbcode-body">None of the above, seriously. </div></div>
^^THIS!!^^
While the .416 will arguably be the MOST expensive to buy/reload for, neither the .50BMG nor the .338LM will be "cheap" by any means no matter how you slice it. The .338LM will be cheaper than the .50, but its all relative at that point.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Training Wheels</div><div class="ubbcode-body">None of the above, seriously. </div></div>
^^THIS!!^^
While the .416 will arguably be the MOST expensive to buy/reload for, neither the .50BMG nor the .338LM will be "cheap" by any means no matter how you slice it. The .338LM will be cheaper than the .50, but its all relative at that point.
Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
I'd just buy a 300win, 7mag or even an Rum if you end up shooting it enough then I'd start looking at the big magnums. To many people think they have to have a 338 or 50 to shoot to 1k or further. Just my .02
I'd just buy a 300win, 7mag or even an Rum if you end up shooting it enough then I'd start looking at the big magnums. To many people think they have to have a 338 or 50 to shoot to 1k or further. Just my .02
Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Training Wheels</div><div class="ubbcode-body">None of the above, seriously.</div></div>
What is your recommendation?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Training Wheels</div><div class="ubbcode-body">None of the above, seriously.</div></div>
What is your recommendation?
Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 308Shooter1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is your recommendation? </div></div>
If you want/need one of the ELR cartridges, then you are going to have to suck it up and not worry so much about the costs. They are what they are and its the price you pay to play at extended ranges (to a certain extent). If all you REALLY want/need is more range/punch than what the .308 offers you but without incurring much (if any) additional reloading costs, then look to the 300WM or 7WSM (especially the 7WSM with 180gr Berger VLDs which will easily give you solid extended range performance if you are capable of driving the rifle).
Again...it really comes down to what ranges you want to shoot and what you want/need to be able to do with a bullet at those ranges.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 308Shooter1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is your recommendation? </div></div>
If you want/need one of the ELR cartridges, then you are going to have to suck it up and not worry so much about the costs. They are what they are and its the price you pay to play at extended ranges (to a certain extent). If all you REALLY want/need is more range/punch than what the .308 offers you but without incurring much (if any) additional reloading costs, then look to the 300WM or 7WSM (especially the 7WSM with 180gr Berger VLDs which will easily give you solid extended range performance if you are capable of driving the rifle).
Again...it really comes down to what ranges you want to shoot and what you want/need to be able to do with a bullet at those ranges.
Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 308Shooter1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Of the extreme long range calibers is there one that is more wallet friendly to shoot. I currently shoot .233 and .308 and handload for both. I am interested in an extreme long range rifle but dont want to break the bank in order to shoot it. I will be handloading for this caliber as well. Is there one caliber who's component are less expensive or will this rifle be a once a year shoot? </div></div>
What do you consider expensive should be the first question? I'm married, no kids but a house payment and we both make around 45,000 a year. I consider anything above .308 in match to be expensive. Have to evaluate YOUR funds.
I agree with others that a 300WM or something of that nature would do unless you are trying to hunt moose at 1800 yards.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 308Shooter1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Of the extreme long range calibers is there one that is more wallet friendly to shoot. I currently shoot .233 and .308 and handload for both. I am interested in an extreme long range rifle but dont want to break the bank in order to shoot it. I will be handloading for this caliber as well. Is there one caliber who's component are less expensive or will this rifle be a once a year shoot? </div></div>
What do you consider expensive should be the first question? I'm married, no kids but a house payment and we both make around 45,000 a year. I consider anything above .308 in match to be expensive. Have to evaluate YOUR funds.
I agree with others that a 300WM or something of that nature would do unless you are trying to hunt moose at 1800 yards.
Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
Well you can look at 1300 or so for a can of 198 rounds of .408 Cheytac. 1100-1200 can get you into a can of the .375 Cheytac. The .416 Barret is the most expensive on your list as I have seen the prices hover around 10 dollars a round. .50cal is actually cheaper to shoot than .338 when you buy the surplus rounds of each. I have seen Argentine .50BMG going for right around a dollar around where as I have seen .338Lapua going as cheap as 2.50 But on the other hand you can spend up to 10 bucks a round for anyone of the rounds you are asking for especially when shooting brass solids.
As far as ELR goes the .375 will out perform the .408, .50bmg, and .416.
You can get .50BMG brass that is surplus then go to something like the 750gr solids and your gtg. As far as cost I have seen BMG brass going for as little as 40 cents a piece and the solids right around a dollar a piece.
Well you can look at 1300 or so for a can of 198 rounds of .408 Cheytac. 1100-1200 can get you into a can of the .375 Cheytac. The .416 Barret is the most expensive on your list as I have seen the prices hover around 10 dollars a round. .50cal is actually cheaper to shoot than .338 when you buy the surplus rounds of each. I have seen Argentine .50BMG going for right around a dollar around where as I have seen .338Lapua going as cheap as 2.50 But on the other hand you can spend up to 10 bucks a round for anyone of the rounds you are asking for especially when shooting brass solids.
As far as ELR goes the .375 will out perform the .408, .50bmg, and .416.
You can get .50BMG brass that is surplus then go to something like the 750gr solids and your gtg. As far as cost I have seen BMG brass going for as little as 40 cents a piece and the solids right around a dollar a piece.
Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
what distance do you have to even work with?
what distance do you have to even work with?
Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what distance do you have to even work with?</div></div>
300yds right now, LOL. But I plan on doing some traveling and would like to try 1500+ yards one day(Bucket List)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what distance do you have to even work with?</div></div>
300yds right now, LOL. But I plan on doing some traveling and would like to try 1500+ yards one day(Bucket List)
Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 308Shooter1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Training Wheels</div><div class="ubbcode-body">None of the above, seriously.</div></div>
What is your recommendation? </div></div>
If you want to go long and budget is a consideration the 7mmWSM is a real performer, cheaper than the 338, 416 or fitty but still not inexpensive to shoot. 300 WinMag brass is EVERYWHERE and the newer .30 bullets such as the Hornady 208gr and 220SMK fly surprisingly well. You will need to factor a new barrel in your considerations with ALL of the above choices because none of them are known for their barrel life. I don't pretend to offer the be all end all of advice but these are my observations.
A little footnote, TresMon necked a 300WM case down to 7mm and has the availability of 300wm brass and the 180gr Berger 7mm bullets. He can push them at 3300fps out of a 28 or 29" barrel with pretty good accuracy results so far.
Good luck and good shooting.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 308Shooter1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Training Wheels</div><div class="ubbcode-body">None of the above, seriously.</div></div>
What is your recommendation? </div></div>
If you want to go long and budget is a consideration the 7mmWSM is a real performer, cheaper than the 338, 416 or fitty but still not inexpensive to shoot. 300 WinMag brass is EVERYWHERE and the newer .30 bullets such as the Hornady 208gr and 220SMK fly surprisingly well. You will need to factor a new barrel in your considerations with ALL of the above choices because none of them are known for their barrel life. I don't pretend to offer the be all end all of advice but these are my observations.
A little footnote, TresMon necked a 300WM case down to 7mm and has the availability of 300wm brass and the 180gr Berger 7mm bullets. He can push them at 3300fps out of a 28 or 29" barrel with pretty good accuracy results so far.
Good luck and good shooting.
Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 308Shooter1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what distance do you have to even work with?</div></div>
300yds right now, LOL. But I plan on doing some traveling and would like to try 1500+ yards one day(Bucket List) </div></div>
the 7WSM would serve you well at those ranges and still be reasonable to shoot.
the ELR world and Inexpensive are mutually exclusive
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 308Shooter1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what distance do you have to even work with?</div></div>
300yds right now, LOL. But I plan on doing some traveling and would like to try 1500+ yards one day(Bucket List) </div></div>
the 7WSM would serve you well at those ranges and still be reasonable to shoot.
the ELR world and Inexpensive are mutually exclusive
Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
Nothing you mentioned will be inexpensive to shoot. As previously mentioned 300WM or 7WSM is cost effective ways to get to a mile or a little better. ELR and inexpensive/cheap/budget simply don't go together. The cost of an effective rifle for this purpose is high and the cost of the components is high. A simple break down of cost is something like this for 338 which is most economical of the bunch:
Lapua Brass:
338: $245/100
308: $65/100
Sierra Bullets:
338: $64/100
308: $31/100
Powder:
338: $0.23/round
308: $0.11/round
Thus there is nothing budget minded about ELR. Everything about is costly. From the rifles to the ammunition and truthfully unless you have some place to get out shoot those distances regularly then it really is not worth the investment. So if this is just a bucket list thing then I would do something different.
Nothing you mentioned will be inexpensive to shoot. As previously mentioned 300WM or 7WSM is cost effective ways to get to a mile or a little better. ELR and inexpensive/cheap/budget simply don't go together. The cost of an effective rifle for this purpose is high and the cost of the components is high. A simple break down of cost is something like this for 338 which is most economical of the bunch:
Lapua Brass:
338: $245/100
308: $65/100
Sierra Bullets:
338: $64/100
308: $31/100
Powder:
338: $0.23/round
308: $0.11/round
Thus there is nothing budget minded about ELR. Everything about is costly. From the rifles to the ammunition and truthfully unless you have some place to get out shoot those distances regularly then it really is not worth the investment. So if this is just a bucket list thing then I would do something different.
Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Longshot38</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nothing you mentioned will be inexpensive to shoot. As previously mentioned 300WM or 7WSM is cost effective ways to get to a mile or a little better. ELR and inexpensive/cheap/budget simply don't go together. The cost of an effective rifle for this purpose is high and the cost of the components is high. A simple break down of cost is something like this for 338 which is most economical of the bunch:
Lapua Brass:
338: $245/100
308: $65/100
Sierra Bullets:
338: $64/100
308: $31/100
Powder:
338: $0.23/round
308: $0.11/round
Thus there is nothing budget minded about ELR. Everything about is costly. From the rifles to the ammunition and truthfully unless you have some place to get out shoot those distances regularly then it really is not worth the investment. So if this is just a bucket list thing then I would do something different.
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I should have worded it differently...I know that none will be "Inexpensive" to shoot I was looking more so for will be the least expensive to shoot.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Longshot38</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nothing you mentioned will be inexpensive to shoot. As previously mentioned 300WM or 7WSM is cost effective ways to get to a mile or a little better. ELR and inexpensive/cheap/budget simply don't go together. The cost of an effective rifle for this purpose is high and the cost of the components is high. A simple break down of cost is something like this for 338 which is most economical of the bunch:
Lapua Brass:
338: $245/100
308: $65/100
Sierra Bullets:
338: $64/100
308: $31/100
Powder:
338: $0.23/round
308: $0.11/round
Thus there is nothing budget minded about ELR. Everything about is costly. From the rifles to the ammunition and truthfully unless you have some place to get out shoot those distances regularly then it really is not worth the investment. So if this is just a bucket list thing then I would do something different.
</div></div>
I should have worded it differently...I know that none will be "Inexpensive" to shoot I was looking more so for will be the least expensive to shoot.
Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
I can't speak for other calibers but I can load a .50 bmg 800 gr. with vv20n29 in once fired IMI brass with #35 primer for 4.10. $1.00 of that is for the brass.
What is nice about the .50 is all the military surplus bullets, powder and brass. So for casual shooting, introducing the .50bmg to friends and family, shorter distance etc. you just bring some surplus ammo reloads for about $1.70ea. m33 ball, wc60pulldown, #35 primer, including once fired LC brass.(.65 of that being brass) So its really not that bad once you have some brass to work with.
I found 10rd boxes of american eagle for $27 a few weeks ago, its loaded in LC 09 headstamp brass
I can't speak for other calibers but I can load a .50 bmg 800 gr. with vv20n29 in once fired IMI brass with #35 primer for 4.10. $1.00 of that is for the brass.
What is nice about the .50 is all the military surplus bullets, powder and brass. So for casual shooting, introducing the .50bmg to friends and family, shorter distance etc. you just bring some surplus ammo reloads for about $1.70ea. m33 ball, wc60pulldown, #35 primer, including once fired LC brass.(.65 of that being brass) So its really not that bad once you have some brass to work with.
I found 10rd boxes of american eagle for $27 a few weeks ago, its loaded in LC 09 headstamp brass
Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
you're kinda forgetting about some things, the gun and scope. Besides that, the absolute cheapest option that I would go with would be a 7mm mag with the 180 bergers. You get those going @ 2900+ you're getting into the back end of .338 balistics with the 250 gr. bullets, both are in the .6 G1 "paper" BC range. Saving for a big purchase or jumpin in now wouldn't matter to me, there's always lots to learn from shootin the .308 win past 700.
hope this helps
you're kinda forgetting about some things, the gun and scope. Besides that, the absolute cheapest option that I would go with would be a 7mm mag with the 180 bergers. You get those going @ 2900+ you're getting into the back end of .338 balistics with the 250 gr. bullets, both are in the .6 G1 "paper" BC range. Saving for a big purchase or jumpin in now wouldn't matter to me, there's always lots to learn from shootin the .308 win past 700.
hope this helps
Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
kvwpwr hit it on the head with the .50. There's a lot of surplus components that make it less expensive to shoot.
As for the .338, Lapua brass and components are more expensive.
There are alternatives, as well. Once fired Lapua brass is about half of new. Generally you can get 9-10 reloads out of the brass before they may show signs of fatigue.
Hornady and Jamison is also less expensive than Lapua, and for fun shooting, that will serve you well. 250gr SMK's are about $260/500, vs the $65-$70per 100 for Lapua. The more reloads you get from the brass, the less expensive they are to shoot....to a degree.
kvwpwr hit it on the head with the .50. There's a lot of surplus components that make it less expensive to shoot.
As for the .338, Lapua brass and components are more expensive.
There are alternatives, as well. Once fired Lapua brass is about half of new. Generally you can get 9-10 reloads out of the brass before they may show signs of fatigue.
Hornady and Jamison is also less expensive than Lapua, and for fun shooting, that will serve you well. 250gr SMK's are about $260/500, vs the $65-$70per 100 for Lapua. The more reloads you get from the brass, the less expensive they are to shoot....to a degree.
Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
You can pick up a cheap 50 (AR50) 2K Get a decent scope SS 20X 300$ Night Force used rings 110$ some American Eagle 660FMJ 33$ per 10. Buy 100Rds Shoot all 100 and get it out of your system. The 50's 408's 416's are cannons that are fun to shoot and look at but in the working mans world they are just that cannons to look at. Yes you can shoot an Elk or Moose or Buffalo with your 50 but in the end the Magnums are made for those who don't care about the cost to feed them or if they are practical. But what do I know I'm just a dumb redneck that lives in the middle of now where that spends all my $ on guns and ammo.
You can pick up a cheap 50 (AR50) 2K Get a decent scope SS 20X 300$ Night Force used rings 110$ some American Eagle 660FMJ 33$ per 10. Buy 100Rds Shoot all 100 and get it out of your system. The 50's 408's 416's are cannons that are fun to shoot and look at but in the working mans world they are just that cannons to look at. Yes you can shoot an Elk or Moose or Buffalo with your 50 but in the end the Magnums are made for those who don't care about the cost to feed them or if they are practical. But what do I know I'm just a dumb redneck that lives in the middle of now where that spends all my $ on guns and ammo.
Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
Don't forget to factor in the cost of reloading equipment for 50 bmg. You usually can't do that on a standard reloading press and need to get a specialized bmg press. Then dies etc. I would assume that the 416 (which is derived from 50 bmg) would need to be reloaded on the same type of press.
Just something to consider.
Don't forget to factor in the cost of reloading equipment for 50 bmg. You usually can't do that on a standard reloading press and need to get a specialized bmg press. Then dies etc. I would assume that the 416 (which is derived from 50 bmg) would need to be reloaded on the same type of press.
Just something to consider.
Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
I would agree after reading your situation...that the 300WM shooting 200gr plus projectiles and a nice load of RL25 would make a great match as well. 200gr Accubonds for hunting and 208 Amax for target/match would be a nice combo. I just like the 338 and can afford it so thats my choice so far. But who knows...I do love shooting my 300WM elk rifle too.
I would agree after reading your situation...that the 300WM shooting 200gr plus projectiles and a nice load of RL25 would make a great match as well. 200gr Accubonds for hunting and 208 Amax for target/match would be a nice combo. I just like the 338 and can afford it so thats my choice so far. But who knows...I do love shooting my 300WM elk rifle too.
Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
if your only shooting up to 1500 you could stretch your .308 there so if your getting a lr rifle just get a 300 winnie, alot cheaper and can shoot 200 grain bullets over 3000 fps
if your only shooting up to 1500 you could stretch your .308 there so if your getting a lr rifle just get a 300 winnie, alot cheaper and can shoot 200 grain bullets over 3000 fps
Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
The ultimate question is, how much are you willing to spend per annum on a particular type of shooting? $1000? $5000? $500? Your budget should determine your choice, or at least play a major role in influencing your decision. And how often do you intend to shoot? .408 Cheytac isn't expensive at all if you only go to the range twice per year, and shoot 50 rounds each time. Far cheaper than running a few hundred rounds of surplus 5.56 each week through a carbine, for instance.
The ultimate question is, how much are you willing to spend per annum on a particular type of shooting? $1000? $5000? $500? Your budget should determine your choice, or at least play a major role in influencing your decision. And how often do you intend to shoot? .408 Cheytac isn't expensive at all if you only go to the range twice per year, and shoot 50 rounds each time. Far cheaper than running a few hundred rounds of surplus 5.56 each week through a carbine, for instance.
Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
If your goal is 1500yds. and you are not shooting big game (and you shouldn't be) there is no reason to go bigger than 300WM. But if you want to shoot large bore LR, why not?
If you buy virgin Norma brass, figure four reloads (which is way conservative)and buy nothing in bulk. You can reload 300WM for a buck and .338LM for about sixty cents more. A box of Federal 175gr. GMM costs about $23.00 to $25.00.
So if you shoot 30 rds. of .338LM each time you're out to 1500yds you're not going to break the bank.
If your goal is 1500yds. and you are not shooting big game (and you shouldn't be) there is no reason to go bigger than 300WM. But if you want to shoot large bore LR, why not?
If you buy virgin Norma brass, figure four reloads (which is way conservative)and buy nothing in bulk. You can reload 300WM for a buck and .338LM for about sixty cents more. A box of Federal 175gr. GMM costs about $23.00 to $25.00.
So if you shoot 30 rds. of .338LM each time you're out to 1500yds you're not going to break the bank.
Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
The wsm and saum 7mm's will get you to a mile. Or do a 338 edge, it is a cheaper version of the 338LM, but not by very much. Just because of the brass really.
The wsm and saum 7mm's will get you to a mile. Or do a 338 edge, it is a cheaper version of the 338LM, but not by very much. Just because of the brass really.
Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
Okay, this seemed like a very easy question. The 50 BMG I thought would be the cheapest. There are tons of 50 bmg brass and bullets and primers, dies, etc. You can get good 50 BMG ammo all over the place, must cheaper than .416 and 338. Just my 2 cents. Plus, you'll love a 50 BMG!
Okay, this seemed like a very easy question. The 50 BMG I thought would be the cheapest. There are tons of 50 bmg brass and bullets and primers, dies, etc. You can get good 50 BMG ammo all over the place, must cheaper than .416 and 338. Just my 2 cents. Plus, you'll love a 50 BMG!
Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
If you buy in bulk you can load .338LM for under a buck a shot after initial brass firing. The last time I looked for MidwayUSA prices they could be loaded for 1.13 after initial brass firing.
If you buy in bulk you can load .338LM for under a buck a shot after initial brass firing. The last time I looked for MidwayUSA prices they could be loaded for 1.13 after initial brass firing.
Re: .416, .338, .50 Cal...Inexpensive Option to shoot?
I have a 338 and a 50BMG. I shoot the 338 quite often. The Barrett stays parked in the safe. Most of my points against the 50BMG as far as price were noted above. Only other thing that I'll add is that my Barrett is like shooting a cannon. The over pressure gives me a headache after 10 rounds. I've shot over a hundred through my 338 and felt great. Would be an easy decision for me...
CWJ
I have a 338 and a 50BMG. I shoot the 338 quite often. The Barrett stays parked in the safe. Most of my points against the 50BMG as far as price were noted above. Only other thing that I'll add is that my Barrett is like shooting a cannon. The over pressure gives me a headache after 10 rounds. I've shot over a hundred through my 338 and felt great. Would be an easy decision for me...
CWJ
