Hey guys, for a rifle in .416 Barrett to be used for long range target shooting, would you go with a SS or chrome barrel? This will be my first rifle of a larger caliber, so I think I should ask. I see that Barrett rifles aren't stainless, is that just for durability? Will SS be more accurate as it generaly is with smaller calibers?
.416 barrel, SS?
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No to every question.
One question for you. Why are you going with the .416?
No to every question.
One question for you. Why are you going with the .416?
Re: .416 barrel, SS?
no way!!! just do your 416 if thats what you want. I am building a 416 and i put a kreiger SS on it with a 1/11.5 twist. There are so many opinions out there about rifles just build what you like. I feel that the 416 is a new cal that needs more exploring. i feel that it will be lights out with the right components and hand made ammmo. To the 375/408 guys i am probably going to build one of these and will test them a lot. i have spoke to a 1000 yard world record holder and master gunsmith that said, a 408 case will never shoot world records because it has ignition problems. I am not taking any one side on this, i would just caution ripping on the 416 until it is proven to be a non performer. I would like you all to start posting 1000 yard targets with an honest 5 shot groups from the 375/408's i am curious to see their true accuracy. I know someone will say the groups dont apply to long ELR shooting, but i am not buying that. Also 416 bullets are in development that are gong to have a really high BC. thats the reason for the 1/11.5 twist. Just getting a bullet to an ELR target is one thing but delivering it with accuracy is another!!
no way!!! just do your 416 if thats what you want. I am building a 416 and i put a kreiger SS on it with a 1/11.5 twist. There are so many opinions out there about rifles just build what you like. I feel that the 416 is a new cal that needs more exploring. i feel that it will be lights out with the right components and hand made ammmo. To the 375/408 guys i am probably going to build one of these and will test them a lot. i have spoke to a 1000 yard world record holder and master gunsmith that said, a 408 case will never shoot world records because it has ignition problems. I am not taking any one side on this, i would just caution ripping on the 416 until it is proven to be a non performer. I would like you all to start posting 1000 yard targets with an honest 5 shot groups from the 375/408's i am curious to see their true accuracy. I know someone will say the groups dont apply to long ELR shooting, but i am not buying that. Also 416 bullets are in development that are gong to have a really high BC. thats the reason for the 1/11.5 twist. Just getting a bullet to an ELR target is one thing but delivering it with accuracy is another!!
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With a pretty simple search function you can find all the info you could want. If you want pictures etc. here a guy who as of late is in serious question although his shooting is not.
2300 yard targets.
"later" has his web site down right now but he said it would be up shortly
www.longrangeresearchcenter.com
steve123 can also chime in on the differences between the two.
here is a good discussion we got into concerning the .416
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=869588
another
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1071534
You have been watching to much "weaponology"
The .416 just has not "ironed out the wrinkles yet" you may want it to be a king of the hill but it just has not happened yet.
Ball back in your court, show me your "targets".
With a pretty simple search function you can find all the info you could want. If you want pictures etc. here a guy who as of late is in serious question although his shooting is not.
2300 yard targets.
"later" has his web site down right now but he said it would be up shortly
www.longrangeresearchcenter.com
steve123 can also chime in on the differences between the two.
here is a good discussion we got into concerning the .416
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=869588
another
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1071534
You have been watching to much "weaponology"
The .416 just has not "ironed out the wrinkles yet" you may want it to be a king of the hill but it just has not happened yet.
Ball back in your court, show me your "targets".
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I had the 416 Barrett. I never received the 40 rounds of ammo that were to come with the purchase. I am kind of happy though, a friend did and they would no extract.. There was problems with the brass. I never did test the rifle out. Sounds like it has been an on going battle to get everything to work right with that rifle.
I had the 416 Barrett. I never received the 40 rounds of ammo that were to come with the purchase. I am kind of happy though, a friend did and they would no extract.. There was problems with the brass. I never did test the rifle out. Sounds like it has been an on going battle to get everything to work right with that rifle.
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Once again i am not taking any one side on this debate. i just think we need to give the 416 more time to prove its self. i think we can all agree that you cannot compare a factory barrett rifle or any mass produced 416 to a custom built 375 that has hand loaded ammo and much more time spent in load and rifle development. i personnally dont care which rifle shoots the best i am going to own them both! Although, i would like to see more groups at 1000 yards with the 375 thats gives me a good guage on accuracy. it seems that lawton is building most of thesse rifles whats the neck clearance dim? are you all neck turning the brass? are most lost river bores? also just because i only have 59 posts does not mean i just started shooting i have been shooting ELR for 15 years, and no i do not watch weaponology!!!
Once again i am not taking any one side on this debate. i just think we need to give the 416 more time to prove its self. i think we can all agree that you cannot compare a factory barrett rifle or any mass produced 416 to a custom built 375 that has hand loaded ammo and much more time spent in load and rifle development. i personnally dont care which rifle shoots the best i am going to own them both! Although, i would like to see more groups at 1000 yards with the 375 thats gives me a good guage on accuracy. it seems that lawton is building most of thesse rifles whats the neck clearance dim? are you all neck turning the brass? are most lost river bores? also just because i only have 59 posts does not mean i just started shooting i have been shooting ELR for 15 years, and no i do not watch weaponology!!!
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O geez, NOT AGAIN. Why people cannot at least have the calibers in question before they attempt to say how good they are??? Is that too much to ask
First off shame on Bruce Baer (You know the legendary gunsmith and BR type) for using a case that "someone" says has ignition problems for his 338BigBaer.
Secondly: Who builds an ELR system (since you been shooting ELR for 15 years) and wants to compare them at only 1000yds and compare them to 1000BR groups?? If I wanted to shoot only 1000yds and shoot baby groups I would NOT build a 416, 375, 338, etc etc..I would build a 6mm Dasher or 6.5x284
Third: My vast comparison between the 375/408 and the 416 was not done via a factory Barrett and factory ammo...I can tell you that the 416s' largest flaw is that the projectile is not designed for the speed it is achieving so the degradation of BC and the degradation of velocity just kills that round when trying to compare it to the 350gr solid "lrbt" design. Faster it goes the faster it slows (gotta love physics) so if the balance design of the projectile does not allow it to retain the BC numbers then that projectile literally goes downhill very fast. No I am not turning necks and yes I have "lrbt" rifling profile.
Fourth: As for those super high BC bullets in development. I been getting that story for about year and half now. Just remember....A super duper high BC at the MV does NOT equate to super projectile at the ELR distances.
Fifth: Open invite--When you get your 416Barrett complete how about we just have an open invite shoot in the Utah high desert so we can compare any/all ELR systems. How about we begin at 1000m target and work our way back in 100m intervals with 2 shots on each target. I got area we can easily get targets to 4000m even though I cannot reach them the great 416 might
First system not to be able to put 2 hits on that distances' target..well they are done. You win and I reimburse your flight and ammo. I win and you reimburse me for my ammo.
Thanks
O geez, NOT AGAIN. Why people cannot at least have the calibers in question before they attempt to say how good they are??? Is that too much to ask
First off shame on Bruce Baer (You know the legendary gunsmith and BR type) for using a case that "someone" says has ignition problems for his 338BigBaer.
Secondly: Who builds an ELR system (since you been shooting ELR for 15 years) and wants to compare them at only 1000yds and compare them to 1000BR groups?? If I wanted to shoot only 1000yds and shoot baby groups I would NOT build a 416, 375, 338, etc etc..I would build a 6mm Dasher or 6.5x284
Third: My vast comparison between the 375/408 and the 416 was not done via a factory Barrett and factory ammo...I can tell you that the 416s' largest flaw is that the projectile is not designed for the speed it is achieving so the degradation of BC and the degradation of velocity just kills that round when trying to compare it to the 350gr solid "lrbt" design. Faster it goes the faster it slows (gotta love physics) so if the balance design of the projectile does not allow it to retain the BC numbers then that projectile literally goes downhill very fast. No I am not turning necks and yes I have "lrbt" rifling profile.
Fourth: As for those super high BC bullets in development. I been getting that story for about year and half now. Just remember....A super duper high BC at the MV does NOT equate to super projectile at the ELR distances.
Fifth: Open invite--When you get your 416Barrett complete how about we just have an open invite shoot in the Utah high desert so we can compare any/all ELR systems. How about we begin at 1000m target and work our way back in 100m intervals with 2 shots on each target. I got area we can easily get targets to 4000m even though I cannot reach them the great 416 might
Thanks
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i dont want to make anyone mad just throwing around some ideas and i am to building a 375 in the future just looking for some open discussion on the topic. with some good info.
i dont want to make anyone mad just throwing around some ideas and i am to building a 375 in the future just looking for some open discussion on the topic. with some good info.
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Later,
I will take you up. I won't win, but shit, just having that much range to shoot would be a first for this Michigander! lol
Oh, fix your website to.
Later,
I will take you up. I won't win, but shit, just having that much range to shoot would be a first for this Michigander! lol
Oh, fix your website to.
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JKK,
Anytime you want to come out and shoot just let me know. Seriously anytime!!
Site is being upgraded right now..have to watermark all the pages because of "certain" things happening lol
JKK,
Anytime you want to come out and shoot just let me know. Seriously anytime!!
Site is being upgraded right now..have to watermark all the pages because of "certain" things happening lol
Re: .416 barrel, SS?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Later</div><div class="ubbcode-body">JKK,
Anytime you want to come out and shoot just let me know. Seriously anytime!!
Site is being upgraded right now..have to watermark all the pages because of "certain" things happening lol</div></div>
Like a Russian Mil-Dot master?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Later</div><div class="ubbcode-body">JKK,
Anytime you want to come out and shoot just let me know. Seriously anytime!!
Site is being upgraded right now..have to watermark all the pages because of "certain" things happening lol</div></div>
Like a Russian Mil-Dot master?
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Hey guys, I just want to know if SS the standard as it is with smaller caliber bolt guns for accuracy. I've done MUCH reading on the caliber debate and made the choice for a few reasons. If you want to continue this debate (again) I'll edit the title of the thread and the OP to "what's the best ELR caliber?" and you guys can have at it. I'll read it and pay close attention to it as I have all of the others. I really do appreciate everyone's opinion. Please don't get me wrong here, I'm trying my best to not come off as "yeah, I'm new at this and you can't tell me anything" as I've been shooting for a long time at great distances with some nice sticks for fun and in matches (for fun). But as I said, this is my first ELR and am curious about SS vs chrome barrels. Do the same rules apply as they do in, say, 308 and .260?
Hey guys, I just want to know if SS the standard as it is with smaller caliber bolt guns for accuracy. I've done MUCH reading on the caliber debate and made the choice for a few reasons. If you want to continue this debate (again) I'll edit the title of the thread and the OP to "what's the best ELR caliber?" and you guys can have at it. I'll read it and pay close attention to it as I have all of the others. I really do appreciate everyone's opinion. Please don't get me wrong here, I'm trying my best to not come off as "yeah, I'm new at this and you can't tell me anything" as I've been shooting for a long time at great distances with some nice sticks for fun and in matches (for fun). But as I said, this is my first ELR and am curious about SS vs chrome barrels. Do the same rules apply as they do in, say, 308 and .260?
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USM1108,
It really it not as simple as being able to say which is better and whatnot.
First IMO it depends on which projectile you plan to shoot?
Second IMO it depends on which barrel manufacture you plan to use?
I ask those questions because of this:
Certain projos are harder than others and barrel manufactures have different alloy specs in both CM and SS. You are going to want to balance the projo hardness and barrel hardness. They are not going to be the same by no means but you don't want super hard barrel with softer style projo then you will have terrible fouling. You don't want softer alloy barrel with harder style projo then you will be replacing barrel very fast.
Thanks
USM1108,
It really it not as simple as being able to say which is better and whatnot.
First IMO it depends on which projectile you plan to shoot?
Second IMO it depends on which barrel manufacture you plan to use?
I ask those questions because of this:
Certain projos are harder than others and barrel manufactures have different alloy specs in both CM and SS. You are going to want to balance the projo hardness and barrel hardness. They are not going to be the same by no means but you don't want super hard barrel with softer style projo then you will have terrible fouling. You don't want softer alloy barrel with harder style projo then you will be replacing barrel very fast.
Thanks
Re: .416 barrel, SS?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Later</div><div class="ubbcode-body">USM1108,
It really it not as simple as being able to say which is better and whatnot.
First IMO it depends on which projectile you plan to shoot?
Second IMO it depends on which barrel manufacture you plan to use?
I ask those questions because of this:
Certain projos are harder than others and barrel manufactures have different alloy specs in both CM and SS. You are going to want to balance the projo hardness and barrel hardness. They are not going to be the same by no means but you don't want super hard barrel with softer style projo then you will have terrible fouling. You don't want softer alloy barrel with harder style projo then you will be replacing barrel very fast.
Thanks</div></div>
Take Later's word for gospel USM1108 he has done more in ELR in a month than most have done in a lifetime.
Still waiting for your website to get back up and running....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Later</div><div class="ubbcode-body">USM1108,
It really it not as simple as being able to say which is better and whatnot.
First IMO it depends on which projectile you plan to shoot?
Second IMO it depends on which barrel manufacture you plan to use?
I ask those questions because of this:
Certain projos are harder than others and barrel manufactures have different alloy specs in both CM and SS. You are going to want to balance the projo hardness and barrel hardness. They are not going to be the same by no means but you don't want super hard barrel with softer style projo then you will have terrible fouling. You don't want softer alloy barrel with harder style projo then you will be replacing barrel very fast.
Thanks</div></div>
Take Later's word for gospel USM1108 he has done more in ELR in a month than most have done in a lifetime.
Still waiting for your website to get back up and running....
Re: .416 barrel, SS?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Later</div><div class="ubbcode-body">USM1108,
It really it not as simple as being able to say which is better and whatnot.
First IMO it depends on which projectile you plan to shoot?
Second IMO it depends on which barrel manufacture you plan to use?
I ask those questions because of this:
Certain projos are harder than others and barrel manufactures have different alloy specs in both CM and SS. You are going to want to balance the projo hardness and barrel hardness. They are not going to be the same by no means but you don't want super hard barrel with softer style projo then you will have terrible fouling. You don't want softer alloy barrel with harder style projo then you will be replacing barrel very fast.
Thanks </div></div>
Thanks, I was hoping you would reply. I'm with you there. I plan on trying Lehigh and Thunder bullets. I assume that since they're turned brass projos, SS would be a safe bet?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Later</div><div class="ubbcode-body">USM1108,
It really it not as simple as being able to say which is better and whatnot.
First IMO it depends on which projectile you plan to shoot?
Second IMO it depends on which barrel manufacture you plan to use?
I ask those questions because of this:
Certain projos are harder than others and barrel manufactures have different alloy specs in both CM and SS. You are going to want to balance the projo hardness and barrel hardness. They are not going to be the same by no means but you don't want super hard barrel with softer style projo then you will have terrible fouling. You don't want softer alloy barrel with harder style projo then you will be replacing barrel very fast.
Thanks </div></div>
Thanks, I was hoping you would reply. I'm with you there. I plan on trying Lehigh and Thunder bullets. I assume that since they're turned brass projos, SS would be a safe bet?
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Why is it on here everyone try's to ram there favorite cartridge down someones throat. If the guy wants a .416 let him build a .416
Maybe he has a 338 and a 375 and a 408. The poor guy just wanted to know if CM or SS was better for the barrel.
I shoot 50BMG and love it.Will XYZ bullet beat it for distance and accuracy probably.Do I care...
let the flaming begin.
Later: thank you for answering the mans question.
Why is it on here everyone try's to ram there favorite cartridge down someones throat. If the guy wants a .416 let him build a .416
Maybe he has a 338 and a 375 and a 408. The poor guy just wanted to know if CM or SS was better for the barrel.
I shoot 50BMG and love it.Will XYZ bullet beat it for distance and accuracy probably.Do I care...
let the flaming begin.
Later: thank you for answering the mans question.
