Rifle Scopes 42mm Schmidt on an LTR, how low can I go?

[hydro556]

Another post has made me more curious about the gap I will have between the objective of my new scope and the barrel on my LTR.

I am waiting on a new S&B 4-16x42. It will be mounted in Seekins Low 34mm rings onto my Patriot Arms customized LTR. The barrel contour is the standard LTR contour, not sure of the designation. The scope will be in the Seekins lows and on a Badger 20moa rail.

It wont be the end of the world either way, but I am hoping I will be able to get the objective relatively close to the barrel. I dont like a huge gap. I believe the Seekins lows are the lowest (traditional) rings available for the 34mm tube, unless I am mistaken.

Does anyone have this exact setup, or something with a similarly contoured barrel using Seekins lows, BO 20moa rail and the 42mm Schmidt? I would like to see pictures to see if it will be low enough.

 

[19Scout77]

Re: 42mm Schmidt on an LTR, how low can I go?

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if you are bothered by a large gap, then you may be unhappy. The below is a pic of my 4-16x50 30moa base (IIRC). The base may be a tad taller than your BO. The rings are Seekins low. The contour is a little bigger at the operative point than your LTR. Also, I have a sunshade on mine which also decreases the size of the gap due to the angled base.

Assuming everything else being equal, your gap will be 4mm larger. More realistically, I would say your gap will be 5-6 mm larger than pictured below.

 

[hydro556]

Re: 42mm Schmidt on an LTR, how low can I go?

Not the end of the world, if it is too much, or the cheek weld is not optimal, I will get a 50, but I would really like to stay with the 42.

I also have another possible option. I think Richard Near makes a set of 34mm rings that are slightly lower than Seekins lows. I am checking out this option now, to see how much lower they are.

Anyone using them? I have used their stuff on Sako's and it is top notch.

Really hoping I can make the 42 work.

 

[hydro556]

Re: 42mm Schmidt on an LTR, how low can I go?

Also Scout, forgot to mention, that is a great looking rifle.

 

[19Scout77]

Re: 42mm Schmidt on an LTR, how low can I go?

The cheek weld will not be any different whether 42mm or 50mm as the height of optic center will be the same in both.

The ONLY issue is one of aesthetics. Functionally and position -wise, there should not be a difference.

 

[hydro556]

Re: 42mm Schmidt on an LTR, how low can I go?

That is true.

I dont really like a huge gap. I know it is just looks, but it still bothers me some.

I am waiting to hear back from Near Mfg. hopefully they offer a lower option.

I cant remember what it was now, but there was some reason I decided on the 42 instead of the 50. I am thinking it was something like I was unable to get a CCW .1mil turret if I went with a 50, dont remember exactly but it was something along those lines.

 

[BobinNC]

Re: 42mm Schmidt on an LTR, how low can I go?

Not the exact setup:

Rem LTR
Seekins 20 MOA bases
TPS Super Low 35mm Rings (height is the same as Seekins 35MM Lows 0.95")
IOR 3-18x42mm
Height above barrel 0.451"
Centerline of scope above of bore 1.87"


Seekins 34MM Low rings will be around 0.03" lower (0.92"), than a 35mm setup.

Bob

 

[seven mm]

Re: 42mm Schmidt on an LTR, how low can I go?

fwiw seekins lows allow enough clearance to run a 4-16x50 on a #7 contour barrel with a badger rail, just clears a bc. You'll have a bit of a gap especially with a ltr contour barrel.

 

[hydro556]

Re: 42mm Schmidt on an LTR, how low can I go?

I will just have to wait until I get it mounted. If the gap is intolerable will deal with it until I find something else to mount it on and put a 50mm on the bolt gun.

I dont know why it bothers me so much, but I have never liked a scope sitting almost an inch off the barrel. Just doesnt look right.

Maybe Near Mfg. will have something lower, or, even better, maybe I can get Glenn to build something lower, LOL.

I need to call him up. I would think there would be a decent amount of demand for these.

 

[hydro556]

Re: 42mm Schmidt on an LTR, how low can I go?

Speaking with Mr. Near(He does offer 34mm rings that are lower than the Seekin's that I have, but only by a few thousandths. ), he says he can build me one of his one piece unit's (I think he calls them Alpha Hunters) and get the 42mm obj. as low as I need it.

The only problem is, the design of the optic forces him to move the scope rearward in order to accomplish this.

He asked me how tall I am, because this can be a problem with cheek weld/eye relief for taller guys. Unfortunately, in this case, I am 6'4" and I may have problems.

Has anyone gone a similar route to this? Just thinking out load. Trying to figure out a way to overcome my silly distaste for scopes that are floating an inch off the barrel.

May just have to deal with it.

 

[Rob01]

Re: 42mm Schmidt on an LTR, how low can I go?

Sometimes super low isn't comfortable for the shooter to get behind the scope. The Seekins lows will probably be more comfortable than anything much lower.

 

[hydro556]

Re: 42mm Schmidt on an LTR, how low can I go?

Hopefully that will be the case. I should know by the weekend.

 

[elkkid3]

Re: 42mm Schmidt on an LTR, how low can I go?

Hydro, if you don't like it you can always give me your S&B

 

[k7714]

Re: 42mm Schmidt on an LTR, how low can I go?

Looking for pics now on my PC.

I have a LTR with S&B 42mm, sitting in seekins low 34mm and a seekins 30MOA base.FYI i had to run a 30moa base because i only had 9.5mils up with the 20MOA on my Rem action.

edit-here are the pics. hopefully these help, its the best i could find on my pc right now

I'm very happy with the setup, not to low, not to high. just right for me

 

[BasraBoy]

Re: 42mm Schmidt on an LTR, how low can I go?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hydro556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not the end of the world, if it is too much, or the cheek weld is not optimal, I will get a 50, but I would really like to stay with the 42.

I also have another possible option. I think Richard Near makes a set of 34mm rings that are slightly lower than Seekins lows. I am checking out this option now, to see how much lower they are.

Anyone using them? I have used their stuff on Sako's and it is top notch.

Really hoping I can make the 42 work.</div></div>

Hydro, I've been looking at a similar set up for swapping out my MST100 ro the 4-16x42 on my GAP and got this info from Richard at Near:

"We make a purpose engineered extra LOW 34MM x 3 ring Alpha mount with a .247"
saddle hight, just for your scope. These clamp onto any MIL STD 1913 rail.
We also make and stock a 30MOA rail, 20 MOA an 25 MOA rail for the 700 SA."

Hope this helps?

 

[hydro556]

Re: 42mm Schmidt on an LTR, how low can I go?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kevin7714</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looking for pics now on my PC.

I have a LTR with S&B 42mm, sitting in seekins low 34mm and a seekins 30MOA base.FYI i had to run a 30moa base because i only had 9.5mils up with the 20MOA on my Rem action.

edit-here are the pics. hopefully these help, its the best i could find on my pc right now

I'm very happy with the setup, not to low, not to high. just right for me

</div></div>

Kevin, thanks very much for the pictures. That helps a ton.

As for the limited elevation, it was not really a consideration for me. 99% of the shooting for me is 700 yards and in. With the 20MOA rail, it will still do more than I need. I didnt want to go with a big 5-25x56, and have wanted to try out a Schmidt 42mm for a long time. Looking at your pictures, it is not as bad as I thought it would be. I actually think I could deal with that just fine.

Nice looking rig and thanks a ton for the pictures.

 

[hydro556]

Re: 42mm Schmidt on an LTR, how low can I go?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BasraBoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">



Hydro, I've been looking at a similar set up for swapping out my MST100 ro the 4-16x42 on my GAP and got this info from Richard at Near:

"We make a purpose engineered extra LOW 34MM x 3 ring Alpha mount with a .247"
saddle hight, just for your scope. These clamp onto any MIL STD 1913 rail.
We also make and stock a 30MOA rail, 20 MOA an 25 MOA rail for the 700 SA."

Hope this helps?

</div></div>

Thanks BB. I have actually been speaking with Mr. Near and he mentioned the AlphaHunter. Said he could build it low enough to get the 42 down near the barrel, but it could lead to Eye relief/Cheek weld issues because it moves the scope rearward.

Looking at Kevin's pics above, I think I may be fine with the Seekins rings. Thanks though.

 

[BasraBoy]

Re: 42mm Schmidt on an LTR, how low can I go?

No problem, you're welcome.

Would be interested in seeing the end results if you could post pics.

 

[hydro556]

Re: 42mm Schmidt on an LTR, how low can I go?

I will certainly be posting pictures ASAP.

I should have the scope by weeks end, and I also found out today that my Manners T4 should be getting shipped back to me from Jeromy Holmes (AKA Dimension's) after getting custom paint. I cant wait to see it.

 

[Jinta]

Re: 42mm Schmidt on an LTR, how low can I go?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hydro556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will certainly be posting pictures ASAP.

I should have the scope by weeks end, and I also found out today that my Manners T4 should be getting shipped back to me from Jeromy Holmes (AKA Dimension's) after getting custom paint. I cant wait to see it. </div></div>

Hydro,

I'm also interested in a 4-16 x 42 S&B with Seekin setup so would be great if you could assist to post photos of your setup?

Many thanks,

Jinta

 

[hydro556]

Re: 42mm Schmidt on an LTR, how low can I go?

The rifle is actually at Jereds shop right now.

Additionally, I ultimately changed from the 42mm Schmidt, to the 50mm. Due to the fact that it was going to be too much of a hassle to get it as low as I had hoped.

I have some pictures of the rifle once I got the stock back from Jeremy and prior to sending it to APA.

It is getting the Patriot treatment on the action. A 20" threaded Broughton barrel and more. Will post some pics once I get it back, hopefully 4-8 more weeks.

Here is what it looked like before, with the 42mm.

And, with the 50mm.

Forgive the pics. Were not focused on the topic here, but show the difference.

 

[Jinta]

Re: 42mm Schmidt on an LTR, how low can I go?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hydro556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The rifle is actually at Jereds shop right now.

Additionally, I ultimately changed from the 42mm Schmidt, to the 50mm. Due to the fact that it was going to be too much of a hassle to get it as low as I had hoped.

I have some pictures of the rifle once I got the stock back from Jeremy and prior to sending it to APA.

It is getting the Patriot treatment on the action. A 20" threaded Broughton barrel and more. Will post some pics once I get it back, hopefully 4-8 more weeks.

Here is what it looked like before, with the 42mm.

And, with the 50mm.

Forgive the pics. Were not focused on the topic here, but show the difference.

</div></div>

Hydro,

Thank you so much for the photos and the comparison with the 50mm version.

Jinta

 

[hydro556]

Re: 42mm Schmidt on an LTR, how low can I go?

No problems bro.

 

[hydro556]

Re: 42mm Schmidt on an LTR, how low can I go?

when the rifle comes back from Patriot (APA) it will be sporting a somewhat heavier barrel, a #6 Broughton, I believe is what we finally settled on. So the gap should be slightly smaller between barrel and optic.

I am hoping so, anyway.