I just picked up a really nice win 92 trapper in 44 mag. I have a bunch of brass and primers on hand but Haven't really found a good source for projectiles. If anyone knows a good internet source for decent plinking projectiles at a 'sane' price, please post it.
44 mag in a lever gun
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I just shoot homemade cast wheel weights through mine. Bought a $20 Lee mould from Midway on sale and borrowed a buddy's pot to melt them. Killed 2 deer last year with WW and open sights at 50 yards. Dropped them like a bad habit. 240 grain of WW will do it every time. Some people say that the micro grove BBL on the rifles won't shoot soft lead but mine does just fine. Do yourself a favor and get the Williams peep sight that bolts on the the reciever and trash the buckhorn factory sights.
I just shoot homemade cast wheel weights through mine. Bought a $20 Lee mould from Midway on sale and borrowed a buddy's pot to melt them. Killed 2 deer last year with WW and open sights at 50 yards. Dropped them like a bad habit. 240 grain of WW will do it every time. Some people say that the micro grove BBL on the rifles won't shoot soft lead but mine does just fine. Do yourself a favor and get the Williams peep sight that bolts on the the reciever and trash the buckhorn factory sights.
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I have also shot these with pretty good results
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=1050281382
I have also shot these with pretty good results
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=1050281382
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I mainly use my hard cast 240 grain SWC w/ gas checks. But for hunting I use half jacketed hollow points from Speer. They hold a decent group from my Win #94.
I mainly use my hard cast 240 grain SWC w/ gas checks. But for hunting I use half jacketed hollow points from Speer. They hold a decent group from my Win #94.
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I just checked the Speer website. Evidently they no longer make the particular bullet I have used in the past. I do use a heavy roll crimp in the cannalure or crimp groove on the bullet. I have had several get "bumped" back into the case with recoil.
I just checked the Speer website. Evidently they no longer make the particular bullet I have used in the past. I do use a heavy roll crimp in the cannalure or crimp groove on the bullet. I have had several get "bumped" back into the case with recoil.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Victor N TN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just checked the Speer website. Evidently they no longer make the particular bullet I have used in the past. I do use a heavy roll crimp in the cannalure or crimp groove on the bullet. I have had several get "bumped" back into the case with recoil. </div></div> Yea you gotta crimp the piss out of em. I forgot to tell you that
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Victor N TN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just checked the Speer website. Evidently they no longer make the particular bullet I have used in the past. I do use a heavy roll crimp in the cannalure or crimp groove on the bullet. I have had several get "bumped" back into the case with recoil. </div></div> Yea you gotta crimp the piss out of em. I forgot to tell you that
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That is where the inexpensive Lee die set with the factory crimp die really shines. JMHO
That is where the inexpensive Lee die set with the factory crimp die really shines. JMHO
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I run these in my .45 Colt 94.
http://www.hornady.com/store/.454-45-CAL/
But you have a wider range of options!
http://www.hornady.com/store/.430-44-CAL-c-427/
I run these in my .45 Colt 94.
http://www.hornady.com/store/.454-45-CAL/
But you have a wider range of options!
http://www.hornady.com/store/.430-44-CAL-c-427/
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Victor N TN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just checked the Speer website. Evidently they no longer make the particular bullet I have used in the past. I do use a heavy roll crimp in the cannalure or crimp groove on the bullet. I have had several get "bumped" back into the case with recoil. </div></div>
Victor,
Noticably higher recoil or did you catch them before you shot them?
I had factory Corbon and Winchester rounds (.45 Colt)do this. I guess they don't plan on these being chambered in lever guns.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Victor N TN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just checked the Speer website. Evidently they no longer make the particular bullet I have used in the past. I do use a heavy roll crimp in the cannalure or crimp groove on the bullet. I have had several get "bumped" back into the case with recoil. </div></div>
Victor,
Noticably higher recoil or did you catch them before you shot them?
I had factory Corbon and Winchester rounds (.45 Colt)do this. I guess they don't plan on these being chambered in lever guns.
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Jeff,
I had this rifle back in the 1960-1970s. When I first started loading for it I didn't do a crimp at all. W-R-O-N-G After a few rounds I noticed a difference in the recoil. I don't remember exactly what it was. But I felt something different. (That was a long time ago.) The magazine on it held 10 rounds. The rounds I ejected looked like they had been squashed a bit. After that, I spoke with the only other person I knew that reloaded anything. He told me about what a crimp was for. I changed things after that.
I guess when they make a pistol round, they don't expect them to be shot in a rifle... I guess.
Jeff,
I had this rifle back in the 1960-1970s. When I first started loading for it I didn't do a crimp at all. W-R-O-N-G After a few rounds I noticed a difference in the recoil. I don't remember exactly what it was. But I felt something different. (That was a long time ago.) The magazine on it held 10 rounds. The rounds I ejected looked like they had been squashed a bit. After that, I spoke with the only other person I knew that reloaded anything. He told me about what a crimp was for. I changed things after that.
I guess when they make a pistol round, they don't expect them to be shot in a rifle... I guess.
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I have a '94AE .44Mag Trapper. It seems to like the 180gr better than the heavier ones, and absolutely loves UMC 180gr factory FNSP Jacketed loads. That's my preferred deer load.
I have a '94AE .44Mag Trapper. It seems to like the 180gr better than the heavier ones, and absolutely loves UMC 180gr factory FNSP Jacketed loads. That's my preferred deer load.
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I love my Marlin 1894- 44 mag lever gun. I run H110 at max charge with a 240 Hornady XTP at 1760 fps out of my 16" barrel. It shoots great, even at long range. The .429 bullets are never cheap, so find something decent and run with it. I bought a bunch of blemished bullets from Midway a while back for plinking, and they work well and didn't break the bank.
I love my Marlin 1894- 44 mag lever gun. I run H110 at max charge with a 240 Hornady XTP at 1760 fps out of my 16" barrel. It shoots great, even at long range. The .429 bullets are never cheap, so find something decent and run with it. I bought a bunch of blemished bullets from Midway a while back for plinking, and they work well and didn't break the bank.
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I blew up my Ruger 44 carbine with cast bullets.
The muzzle peeled back like a bananna.
I got a cut down 444 Marlin barrel on it now, and it is very accurate.
I have a Win 94 Trapper in 45 Colt.
Both the 44 and the 45 rifles want the bullet crimped at the canalure for accuracy.
Bottle necked cartridges seem to want the bullet jammed into the lands, but not my straight wall cartrdiges.
I blew up my Ruger 44 carbine with cast bullets.
The muzzle peeled back like a bananna.
I got a cut down 444 Marlin barrel on it now, and it is very accurate.
I have a Win 94 Trapper in 45 Colt.
Both the 44 and the 45 rifles want the bullet crimped at the canalure for accuracy.
Bottle necked cartridges seem to want the bullet jammed into the lands, but not my straight wall cartrdiges.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Clark</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I blew up my Ruger 44 carbine with cast bullets.
The muzzle peeled back like a bananna.
I got a cut down 444 Marlin barrel on it now, and it is very accurate.
I have a Win 94 Trapper in 45 Colt.
Both the 44 and the 45 rifles want the bullet crimped at the canalure for accuracy.
Bottle necked cartridges seem to want the bullet jammed into the lands, but not my straight wall cartrdiges. </div></div>
Blew it up? How?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Clark</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I blew up my Ruger 44 carbine with cast bullets.
The muzzle peeled back like a bananna.
I got a cut down 444 Marlin barrel on it now, and it is very accurate.
I have a Win 94 Trapper in 45 Colt.
Both the 44 and the 45 rifles want the bullet crimped at the canalure for accuracy.
Bottle necked cartridges seem to want the bullet jammed into the lands, but not my straight wall cartrdiges. </div></div>
Blew it up? How?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WM5L</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Blew it up? How? </div></div>
The Lead bullets left fouling in the muzzle.
The jacketed bullet came through and split the muzzle.
A 44 carbine collector tells me that this is a common failure for the old 44 carbines, and there are no barrels to be found anywhere.
For ~$40 Randy Ketchum of Lynnwood Guns TIG welded a smooth bore tube to the end of the rifle.
Bullets did not stabilize.
I had a new old stock 444 Marlin barrel from Numrich.
I looked at the 444 Marlin chamber, and it looks like a 44 mag chamber, only longer.
I took the barrel to Randy, and for another ~$40 he cut off the rear of the chamber, drilled a gas hole, and milled and TIG welded the breech and got it to work on the old carbine action. The old stock does not like the fat and long new barrel, but it does not jam, and is the world's most accurate 44 carbine.
The 44 carbine muzzle, in the shape of a banana peel, is displayed on the wall in Lynnwood Guns.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WM5L</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Blew it up? How? </div></div>
The Lead bullets left fouling in the muzzle.
The jacketed bullet came through and split the muzzle.
A 44 carbine collector tells me that this is a common failure for the old 44 carbines, and there are no barrels to be found anywhere.
For ~$40 Randy Ketchum of Lynnwood Guns TIG welded a smooth bore tube to the end of the rifle.
Bullets did not stabilize.
I had a new old stock 444 Marlin barrel from Numrich.
I looked at the 444 Marlin chamber, and it looks like a 44 mag chamber, only longer.
I took the barrel to Randy, and for another ~$40 he cut off the rear of the chamber, drilled a gas hole, and milled and TIG welded the breech and got it to work on the old carbine action. The old stock does not like the fat and long new barrel, but it does not jam, and is the world's most accurate 44 carbine.
The 44 carbine muzzle, in the shape of a banana peel, is displayed on the wall in Lynnwood Guns.
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Clark's results with the 44 Ruger Carbine is relatively common. If you ever decide to buy one, the first thing you should do before buying it is to check the gas system for lead residue.
Clark's results with the 44 Ruger Carbine is relatively common. If you ever decide to buy one, the first thing you should do before buying it is to check the gas system for lead residue.
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Graf's sells the .429 240gr FP Berry's for $123 per thousand. I have shot them out of my Marlin at 1900 fps without any peeling or accuracy issues.
Graf's sells the .429 240gr FP Berry's for $123 per thousand. I have shot them out of my Marlin at 1900 fps without any peeling or accuracy issues.
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