45* or 90* red dot
- Thread starter BurtG
- Start date
Personal preference and what you practice more.
The best rifle shooters I know swear by just using the primary optic and adjusting the zoom as you go (3-gun and IPSC rifle), but I personally hate that approach. I tried the 12 o'clock mount but couldn't get a consistent and repeatable cheek weld. The 45* has worked best for me at 50y and in, but you'll need to verify your holds if you're pushing out to 200y.
The best rifle shooters I know swear by just using the primary optic and adjusting the zoom as you go (3-gun and IPSC rifle), but I personally hate that approach. I tried the 12 o'clock mount but couldn't get a consistent and repeatable cheek weld. The 45* has worked best for me at 50y and in, but you'll need to verify your holds if you're pushing out to 200y.
I tried the 12 o’clock with an Rmr zeroed at 25 and a 1-6 zeroed for a 50-200 but found myself coming of my check weld and just didn’t feel right. Got the unity tactical 45 mount since I’m running their optic mount and I like it a lot better. I feel that I’m quicker to get on and off target when I switch from the rds to the scope.
check these out - been working great with a 12 oclock wmlrf and offset redot
I think it's personal preference, but also what circumstances you plan to use it.
45 deg is faster in most cases where you are standing or kneeling. 12:00 is easier when proned out, offhand, or through ports.
It also depends on the scope, mount height, and turrets. If you have a 1.74 or 1.93 and tall turrets your dot will be real high. If you use 1.54 and low profile turrets it isn't bad.
45 deg is faster in most cases where you are standing or kneeling. 12:00 is easier when proned out, offhand, or through ports.
It also depends on the scope, mount height, and turrets. If you have a 1.74 or 1.93 and tall turrets your dot will be real high. If you use 1.54 and low profile turrets it isn't bad.
If you're serious about shooting with the dot, put it on the side to maintain a cheek weld. The best mounts allow you to set up with a similar height over bore as the primary optic so that you can roll back and forth smoothly. 12:00 is fine for finding targets or emergency use only, but all good open-class multi-gun shooters run the offset.
LaRue makes a 34mm ring mount (that also includes inserts for 30mm tubes). You could try it in both positions.
Reptilia also makes one for 30mm tubes.
Reptilia makes a mount for a couple of different red dots. LaRue only offers a mount for the Trijicon RMR footprint.
Reptilia also makes one for 30mm tubes.
Reptilia makes a mount for a couple of different red dots. LaRue only offers a mount for the Trijicon RMR footprint.
12 o’clock so you can use it with your dominant or non-dominant side.
-Stan
-Stan
45-degree Offset
Pros: Easy to acquire by rolling the rifle over.
Inline with the bore and basically at a co-witness height so I can use whatever zero scheme I want.
Cons: It's awkward to use from the support side.
Mounts take up rail space.
I have to take extra shit with me to support the gun while it's canted at an angle to zero.
My situational awareness sucks with larger optics because when the gun is rolled over the optic blocks my field of view.
What ends up happening is that my brain then sends all the signals to my right eye so I end up seeing through a tube with a dot in the
middle surrounded by black. That sucks transitioning from target to target, but hey sweet cheek weld.
12:00 mounting location:
Pros: Easy to zero, I can just stay in position with the same bipod and rear bag and zero at 100 same as the optic.
The optic is no longer blocked by the scope so when in use I have increased SA going from target to target.
I can use the optic from the dominant or support side without much issue.
I can see the dot just over the elevation turret so it's not really a chin weld with the cheek riser, I basically lift my head and there's the dot.
Deconflicts rail space for accessories like dope card holders, brass catchers, levels, etc...
Cons: Taller profile. This can get in the way depending on the situation but so can the 45 offset.
Limited options for quality stand alone mounts unless going with a new mount that has the option to swap turrets.
Those are just some of my experiences in experimenting with the two set ups over the past year.
Pros: Easy to acquire by rolling the rifle over.
Inline with the bore and basically at a co-witness height so I can use whatever zero scheme I want.
Cons: It's awkward to use from the support side.
Mounts take up rail space.
I have to take extra shit with me to support the gun while it's canted at an angle to zero.
My situational awareness sucks with larger optics because when the gun is rolled over the optic blocks my field of view.
What ends up happening is that my brain then sends all the signals to my right eye so I end up seeing through a tube with a dot in the
middle surrounded by black. That sucks transitioning from target to target, but hey sweet cheek weld.
12:00 mounting location:
Pros: Easy to zero, I can just stay in position with the same bipod and rear bag and zero at 100 same as the optic.
The optic is no longer blocked by the scope so when in use I have increased SA going from target to target.
I can use the optic from the dominant or support side without much issue.
I can see the dot just over the elevation turret so it's not really a chin weld with the cheek riser, I basically lift my head and there's the dot.
Deconflicts rail space for accessories like dope card holders, brass catchers, levels, etc...
Cons: Taller profile. This can get in the way depending on the situation but so can the 45 offset.
Limited options for quality stand alone mounts unless going with a new mount that has the option to swap turrets.
Those are just some of my experiences in experimenting with the two set ups over the past year.
Having done both with and without NODs, I think most people here will prefer the 45° mount. Unless you have a giraffe neck, the extra motion required to transition from main scope to top dot isn't natural and you end up hunting a sight picture for the dot.
The proponents of the top dot say it's better for night vision work, but I find acquiring a sight picture under NODs better with the stock as a reference for the 45° dot. You may have to manage laser and light mounting though; your mileage may vary.
And - most importantly - John Wick uses a 45° dot.
The proponents of the top dot say it's better for night vision work, but I find acquiring a sight picture under NODs better with the stock as a reference for the 45° dot. You may have to manage laser and light mounting though; your mileage may vary.
And - most importantly - John Wick uses a 45° dot.
I have tried both the 45 offset and the 12 o'clock piggy mounted rds with nods . I got rid of all the 45 mounts and have kept and still use 12 o'clock piggy mounted rds .
^^ This shouldn’t be a sticky…
All this talk about transitions time. How much are you guys transitioning? I think the 2 gun matches with with Throoms (2 or 3” lollipops inside 20 yards) is probably the most I transition in a stage. Otherwise, AC zone reduced and larger targets 100 and in is red dot. Small targets and 100+ yards is LPVO (except throoms) . There’s not a ton of transition for me.
That said, when I start a stage with something close and I use LPVO for HOB holds I generally stay in the scope. This slows me WAY down when I have to find targets unless I’m shooting an ACOG. But me last two gun and I ended up starting in the middle of a 3 gong array. Had the scores not took pity on me after a 12 second magazine debacle I would have got a +30 for failure to engage.
Personally I like the 90*, mainly for VTAC lists and support side. Tried them both and went with what better for the type of shooting I do.
Similar threads
