Any body shoot .45 super? $8 worth the springs and a brass change sounds easy. 1911 would be the one I want to convert.
Sidearms & Scatterguns .45 Super
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It depends on what you want to do with it. Will still be slow and heavy compared to a10mm. Bigger piece of lead though. For a real step up geta Rowland conversion! What brand 1911? They are not all created equal....
Springfield Armory 1911 A1 . I see the 460 Rowland and I like it .$8 Vs $300 I was going to try the Super first. The super Brass is about $150 for500 and could be loaded to ACP pressures so $8 for springs is the only gamble.
For shits and giggles I recently stepped up to the plate and bought a .460 Rowland conversion for my 1911, I also bought a few extra parts and pieces to convert to .45 Super if I wanted to.
I would be my suggestion in addition to the springs, you may want to consider adding a zero or small radius firing pin stop to your pistol, as this will help you run a slightly lighter recoil spring so you don't have to worry about frame battering as much. I also added a Wilson Combat shok-buff and an Ed Brown hardcore slide stop, again to make sure that all contact points had some form of dampening or were made from very high quality parts.
I guess it really depends how many rounds of Super you plan on putting through the gun, if you only plan to shoot Super rounds once in a blue moon I would have no issue changing only the springs, however as I plan to run lots of rounds through the gun I feel more comfortable with the other mods in place knowing the wear and tear on the pistol will not be quite as bad.
I would be my suggestion in addition to the springs, you may want to consider adding a zero or small radius firing pin stop to your pistol, as this will help you run a slightly lighter recoil spring so you don't have to worry about frame battering as much. I also added a Wilson Combat shok-buff and an Ed Brown hardcore slide stop, again to make sure that all contact points had some form of dampening or were made from very high quality parts.
I guess it really depends how many rounds of Super you plan on putting through the gun, if you only plan to shoot Super rounds once in a blue moon I would have no issue changing only the springs, however as I plan to run lots of rounds through the gun I feel more comfortable with the other mods in place knowing the wear and tear on the pistol will not be quite as bad.
Thanks , Like I said the Super will be first. What Bullets have you tried?I am thinking stay heavy(230/260) and perhaps Hard cast TC. Which Kit did you use for your Rowland?
The designer of the 460 Roland says that simply putting in a spring won't work out well. Roland's conversion required a compensator to delay the slide opening intil the pressure levels drop to a safe level. Pressure of the Roland is around 40,000 compared to 21,000 for the 45 ACP, and 23,000 for the +P 45ACP. Reliability, issues, and gun damage will likely result if you don't do the conversion with a compensator.
But it is your gun to do with as you please.
But it is your gun to do with as you please.
The Super is just a spring brass change .I agree the ROWLAND needs a complete kit buy Clark and Rowland both make kits that seem the same. When the time comes I will most likely go with who ever has them in stock as both appear the same.
I used the Clark conversion for the Rowland.
For bullets I have used the 250 grain JHP from Nosler as well as their 185 grain CC JHP bullets. If you can find the 250 grain JHP's right now I think you will really like them, despite being designed for a revolver the feed awesome in my 1911's and are a blast to shoot sitting on top of slow burning powders. The 185's are awesome if you are looking for red raw speed, however I had a bit of an issue with bullet setback from feeding and will be switching to an undersized die when I use those projectiles as they have a rather short shank. At least it my case when you combine the short shank with the monster recoil springs these conversions use you get bullet setback and that is something I really want to avoid.
I have not tried any cast bullets but I have also used the Rainier 200 grain RN bullets as well, you cant push them quite as hard as the jacketed bullets but they are still fun to shoot, are cheaper and easier to find right now.
I think between the 45acp, the 45acp +P, 45 Super, and 460 Roland, my choice would be the 45 super. It requires a little less "modification" to the gun, and is more like a 45 +P+. For two legged varmints, I don't think you need much more than the 45 ACP, but going to the +P+ gives you the effective penetration through barriers, heavy clothing and such and you still have the power of the 45 acp after you get there.. The articles I have seen indicates that much more power than that, and the increase in recoil becomes more of a detriment, than the power is helpful. However, if you are doing handgun hunting of pigs or something like that, then the Roland, or 44 mag's power IS useful.
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I think you are right .I have a Super Redhawk 454 Casull for hunting. My main drawback with the Rowland is the muzzle brake. Makes carry a lot harder. Rowland says its a must.
I think you are right .I have a Super Redhawk 454 Casull for hunting. My main drawback with the Rowland is the muzzle brake. Makes carry a lot harder. Rowland says its a must.
Funny you should ask. Im about to order the springs now, However I will be using the 45 super in my Sig P220 ST. I was reading a old thread about how they thought the regular 45acp brass was plently strong enough for 45 super in a fully supported chamber, and that 45 super brass was not needed. Any insight on this? or maybe those damn small primer 45acp brass would be a little stronger?
I always found that the handle (grip, stocks) of a handgun are the hard part to conceal. A muzzle brake on a Rowland is not the hard part of concealing it. But with a hunting pistol, concealment may not be a consideration anyhow. I think the people here are smart enough to know how to keep from destroying a good pistol. Few here would deliberately set about using cartridges hotter than the pistol was designed to handle.
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