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50gr SP SX Exploding in ARs?

mattwaage1

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Looking to buy some bulk bullets and the hornady 50gr sp sx are cheap. Was trying to read review of them and certain people mentioned the bullets would come apart out of 9 or faster twist barrels. Anyone have any real experience with this? going to run them in ar's from 14.5 inch barrel to 24" all the same loads so let velocity be what it may. All 1 in 9 twists.

So do they exlpode in barrels or after 25feet?

Thanks
-Matt
 
Re: 50gr SP SX Exploding in ARs?

Matt,

No, not in the barrel. As for disintegration in flight, yes, that can happen. And it may. Or it may not. Depends on a number of different factors involved, and it's not just a matter of twist. The SX bullets are drawn with very thin jackets, like Sierra's Blitz designs. In fast twist guns, either of these can be a problem. Depending on what you're doing of course, but I'd be inclined to go with a more solidly constructed bullet, regardless of the good price with the SX. If they don't make it to the target, you might as well be using blanks, you know?
 
Re: 50gr SP SX Exploding in ARs?

Matt,

As I said, there's a number of factors that go into this, and the right (wrong) combination will definately get you these results. At the Small Arms Firing School (SAFS) at Camp Perry two years ago, the students were issued rifles by the army that had some pretty high mileage on them. These were standard, rack grade ARs, but clearly had many thousands of rounds on them. The issue ammo was Hornady 75 grain match stuff that Hornady had graciously provided. Even with the thicker jackets, the rough bores (more like, eroded throats) on these guns were blowing up bullets left and right. Some blew up like little FLAK bursts, 50-75 yards in front of the firing line. Others occasionally left a clearly visible smoke trail (caused by outgassing of the vaporized lead core as the bullet flies downrange) to the point where the jacket completely failed, and then you got the burst. End result, a very high percentage of the bullets that were fired those days, never made it to the target. I've been a CMP SAFS instructor at Perry for the past several years, and that time, I got to watch that situation repeat itself relay after relay. Over on the other range, where the USMC had newer rifles, I didn't hear of a single problem. This past year (2012) at Perry, they had new rifles donated to the students by (I believe) Rock River. Same twist rates in the guns, but new barrels, and using the same Hornady 75 grain match ammo. Not a single problem that I recall throughout the entire course. So, lots of different factors, but yeah, it absolutely does occur. Pretty impressive when it does, too!
 
Re: 50gr SP SX Exploding in ARs?

The 52s should do you just fine. Do me a favor and get yourself a chamber gage, like the ones from L.E. Wilson, or Dillon. I've seen folks do the bulk loading like this only to find out afterwards that the rounds didn't chamber correctly. Not fun, and will definately put a damper on your day. ARs are kinda special when it comes to reloading, if you get my drift.

Enjoy, and good luck with it!
 
Re: 50gr SP SX Exploding in ARs?

An interesting article in Precision Shooting magazine a few years ago detailed what happens to thin jacket, soft core bullets fired from fast twist/rough barrels. Basically, as the bullet travels, it heats up, melting the core and weakening the jacket. And the jacket may already be abraded by the rough bore. When the jacket, at high rpm, can no longer contain the core, there will be the blue puff, and the whole works is shrapnel. When the jacket holds together, the molten lead will be pouring out the bullet nose, back around the bullet, creating the 'vapor trail'.
 
Re: 50gr SP SX Exploding in ARs?

I too can attest to them coming apart. Not in an AR but 12" twist bolt gun . Too much velocity. Use them now only in my 222's.My bud, shooting 223 bolt gun with them usually had those vapor trails. Pretty cool to see. Hell on prairie dogs.
 
Re: 50gr SP SX Exploding in ARs?

Thanks kevin, last run of about 2k I did had a few that wouldnt chamber, got a small base this time. Last time ran the neck crimp a bit too close and buldged the shoulder and didnt notice
 
Re: 50gr SP SX Exploding in ARs?

The chamber gage will save you on that, and I wouldn't even consider setting up or running a progressive without them. Many, many years ago when I started on the tech line at Sierra, I got a call from a guy who'd loaded a large run of ammo in a progressive, and didn't find out until he was done that most wouldn't chamber properly. Always been a big believer that you should nevber learn from your own mistakes, if you can possibly learn from others. I took that particular lesson to heart, and have never had a problem loading on progressives for Service Rifles. Chalk that up to careful die set up, WITH the aid of a chamber gage. Kinda like American Express, don't leave home without it!