It's officially 'here'. Springfield Armory is now producing this cartridge in this rifle.
Any thoughts, wishes or reviews?
Any thoughts, wishes or reviews?
6.5 Creedmoor in an M1A
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Sorry guys, forgot to put that in the first post.
https://www.americanrifleman.org/ar...wsletter&utm_medium=insider&utm_campaign=1217
https://www.americanrifleman.org/ar...wsletter&utm_medium=insider&utm_campaign=1217
I once heard someone say they wanted to make their steam powered tractor faster.
This sounds a lot like that...
This sounds a lot like that...
A good AR10 would make an MIA it's bitch. This is just an outdated rifle in a Chinese stock that's a rip off of the real JAE version that's been rechambered in a modern cartridge. Seems Springfield is just trying to save money by keeping this old design alive as long as possible so they don't have to pay the cost of R&D'ing something that's actually new and innovative. MIA's don't shoot all that well at least not for long, they're heavier than an AR10, they have worse ergonomics than an AR10, they have less modularity and aftermarket parts availability than an AR10, they work themselves loose from their stocks which causes accuracy problems, they have optics mounting issues, and the Springfield versons have cast pot metal parts in critical areas to save on manufacting costs. Fuck 2nd amendment traitors Springfield, and at an MSRP of $2,050 this rifle isn't even close to competitive.
Seems to be a lot of love/hate for these and nothing in between. But, you gave a fair opinion. I've had problems with cast steel receivers ever since their inception. In the case of them working themselves loose from their stock/bedding, it would be interesting to know if these started with a recoil lug. On the Vintage forum one member showed his that had a lug welded on then bedded. It hasn't come loose.
The M14's and M21's that I'm familiar with were U.S. Armory made rifles with forged receivers. Even they did as you describe. beat themselves out of their stocks. Seems like it took 40 years for that to get figured out.
FWIW, a couple years ago when I still lived out in Idaho, one of the local gunshops got a nice LWRC in .308 in and man was it a shooter! And, smooth as hell too.
A few years ago a shop I know tried turning a few barrels in 6.5 CM and didn't like the results. Something about too much pressure at the gas cylinder. However he also tried 6XC and those ran well. Built a few rifles with those barrels but I've lost touch and don't know how they faired.
I still enjoy my M14 clones and (2/3) actually shoot better than my MATEN. However my receivers are either LRB forged or Springfield with the rifle built by Glen Nelson.
I find myself grabbing a small frame AR most often as opposed to large frame or M14.
I still enjoy my M14 clones and (2/3) actually shoot better than my MATEN. However my receivers are either LRB forged or Springfield with the rifle built by Glen Nelson.
I find myself grabbing a small frame AR most often as opposed to large frame or M14.
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Negative, especially a match conditioned one that will have been unitized. I suppose one could play around with gas port size but it's not like they can put an adjustable block on like an AR.
I didn't think my opinion of SA could be worse after having owned a POS P9 pistol of theirs that they couldn't repair until they got into politics this year. I own a (forged) Chinese receivered Poly with everything replaced by Geoff Korn in a gen. 1 Sage stock. It's an honest moa rifle, don't know about the all day part. I'm still waiting on somebody to do an unfiltered accuracy test. Now, DSA needs to chamber a FAL in Creedmoor. Then we can crown a new king of inaccurate MBR chambered in another accurate cartridge.
I'll be damned?!?!....I had thought they retained that feature from the original M14.
I've shot them,, but never owned one. I just always assumed that feature was there.
The M14 has a on/off feature that will shut off gas flow entirely. That feature is usually disabled on match conditioned rifles. But it was never meant to be adjustable like an AR-15 adjustable gas block.
Okay, I got it now. The M1 Garand has the adjustable system. The M14 has a system like it, but only goes on/off.
FWIW I never owned an M1A or a Garand, just shot them.
According to some, the Schuster adjustable gas plug is an easy changeover. I would think if you wanted one of these, this would be the way to go to help with load tuning.
Eh I prefer mine in 308 and a shitty old wood stock.
Likely more info over on M14forum but the old ladies who run that site make it difficult to deal with sometimes.
Likely more info over on M14forum but the old ladies who run that site make it difficult to deal with sometimes.
you can probably buy a quality bolt action rifle in 6.5 CM for $1000 that will out-shoot an M1A while I am not opposed to an M1A in 6.5 CM - A lot of R&D would be needed to optimize the gas port, as well as in-depth knowledge of ammo configuration by the buyer and a strong desire to become a true expert on adjusting gas port pressures with one of those adjustable gas plugs for the M1A.
I don't see anyone here who as actually shot this M1 in 6.5 Creedmoor from Springfield. https://www.springfield-armory.com/products/m1a-loaded-6-5-creedmoor/ Has anyone actually shot a few hundred rounds through one? Accuracy at 1000yards? Problems? A factual report would be welcome.
IMHO, the M1A has way to many bigger parts banging around to take full advantage of the 6.5CM.
A well tuned M1A can be a beautiful rifle. My OEM SA M21 needs to have its gas piston assm. cleaned routinely to achieve consistent great groups. After about 125ish rds, the groups will open up... from just a little carbon build up.
In my youth, I swapped out the handguard with a slotted / vented one... and the groups increased size dramatically. Swapped the "solid" handguard back.. groups went back to normal.
I know now the slotted handguard was pushing the unitized gas cylinder around... but the point is, there are a lot of variables on a M1A that can affect precision.
Far more then an AR.
A well tuned M1A can be a beautiful rifle. My OEM SA M21 needs to have its gas piston assm. cleaned routinely to achieve consistent great groups. After about 125ish rds, the groups will open up... from just a little carbon build up.
In my youth, I swapped out the handguard with a slotted / vented one... and the groups increased size dramatically. Swapped the "solid" handguard back.. groups went back to normal.
I know now the slotted handguard was pushing the unitized gas cylinder around... but the point is, there are a lot of variables on a M1A that can affect precision.
Far more then an AR.
I had an M1A and I loved it (mainly because I was issued the M-14 in The 'Nam), but when the belt got too tight, it was the first rifle I sold so I could make the mortgage payment. All of the above reasons were also true in my situation.
I have an Archangel stock on my M-N 91/30, and I like it, but they were not available when I had my M1A.
My Garand would be the last to go, and I expect to die before that becomes truly necessary.
These days all my semis are AR-15 based. They're just that much more consistent.
Greg
I have an Archangel stock on my M-N 91/30, and I like it, but they were not available when I had my M1A.
My Garand would be the last to go, and I expect to die before that becomes truly necessary.
These days all my semis are AR-15 based. They're just that much more consistent.
Greg
Necro but....I had one in 5.5 and like the poster above mentioned, it tended to get loose. Wasnt wild about the stock. Mounting the scope mount was a PITS, but then I did make the mistake of buying a SEI. dont make that mistake, see my thread on them.
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