6.5 Creedmoor Rem 700 Ejection Problem?

Blanman

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Anyone else running a 6.5 Creedmoor in a Remington 700 action? If so, have you had any problems with ejection during rapid bolt manipulation? During ejection, the empty cartridge spins itself around and rests on top of the next round in the internal magazine (factory bottom metal), facing backwards (case head towards chamber)...
I have noticed there are some brass markings on the bottom of the scope rail, don't remember if they were there when it was still a .308 but I never had ejection problems when it was a 308. Wouldn't really think the case is THAT much different to be a problem?

 
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor Rem 700 Ejection Problem?

Never heard of that problem. Does it have the standard Rem ejector or Sako? Have you checked the bottom of your windage knob to see if the brass is hitting it and popping back into the receiver? Did the smith do any other work to the receiver or bolt?
 
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor Rem 700 Ejection Problem?

It has the standard Remington ejector as far as I know.

Haven't checked/noticed anything on the bottom of the windage knob but will check this weekend when I get home, I wouldn't expect it to though, they aren't exactly huge knobs.

Gunsmith was RW Snyder so I don't think anything was done wrong, he only chambered, trued and installed the barrel. If anything else was done, I wasn't informed. Extremely unlikely but I wasn't the one sending it off and didn't have contact with the smith (had my father do it for me back home, I was busy with Enhanced Mojave Viper)
 
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor Rem 700 Ejection Problem?

Gee, I'm trying to research this problem for you and the most relevant information Google can find is on THIS thread.

I was going to suggest looking into cutting a bevel or two on the plunger ejector, similar to what's used on the Garand and M14 units. Unfortunately, all of mine have worked so well, I've never had to look at what directions the various bevel changes make the brass spin out towards. Will have to look up some info, and/or contact some old OTC shooters to see which one makes the case come out lower or higher off of the bolt.

Best option to explore this, AFIC, is to have a sacrificial plunger to play with, leaving the factory original alone.
 
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor Rem 700 Ejection Problem?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mattsnuked</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is the extractor positioned correctly? Sometimes they move on you. Just might be time to re-spring your gun as well. </div></div>
Not sure how extractor position would affect things, since it's round and flat-faced...

There's no binding of the ejector that we can detect, either...but maybe a small bit of careful polishing wouldn't hurt?
 
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor Rem 700 Ejection Problem?

Look at the tip of the ejector plunger and see if it's flush or close to flush with the end of the bolt nose. If it's recessed you can lengthen the bevel that the cross pin rides in giving more spring pressure against the case head but, you dont want the tip to protrude past the bolt nose. Sometimes, not enough pressure here lets the case fall back into the receiver. I've done this with very good success to several rifles that were droping the fired case like yours is. Remember, small cuts go a long way. Use a dremil cut off wheel to just lengthen the slot and angle once the ejector is out of the bolt.
 
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor Rem 700 Ejection Problem?

Did you change scopes (is the windage knob hitting the brass)?
Does the problem happen with brisk or slow bolt manipulation?
It sounds like the extractor may be too tight and the ejector too strong to get the brass spun around, and something's keeping the neck end of the brass from clearing on its way out.

The cases aren't that much different.
 
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor Rem 700 Ejection Problem?

Thanks for the suggestions and insights. From what I can see, the case spins quickly and might be hitting the back of the ejection port on fast bolt throws...will look for scrub marks there, too. Edited to add: None found there but inconclusive. I'm considering prepping the surfaces to ID contact points. Maybe soot, maybe Silly Putty (tm). /end edit.

I'm thinking the Creedmoor cases are spinning right next to the bolt instead of flying out.

Just measured the plunger depth from bolt nose (a trial since the other kid seems to have buried or moved the regular calipers--so I used an ancient 1/32 scale slide vernier type...) and it's about 0.01875 below the bolt nose.

Am I hearing that a longer throw length to the plunger might help, say reducing the depth by half or to some accepted minimum?

I have a feeling this might be like the dark arts of "tuning" M1911 .45 magazines was in the 1980s...
 
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor Rem 700 Ejection Problem?

A little shorter ejector spring may keep the cases from doing a 180 back in as well, and would be a cheap and simpler fix to try before modifying any parts.
 
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor Rem 700 Ejection Problem?

Oh, to respond to other inquiries:

No change to rifle other than rebarreling and adding a brake. Scope mount is the same, scope is probably even in the same position on the rail.

There *was* some brass rub on the bottom of the mount but it was unknown whether that was from the .308 or the Creedmoor. Not enough empties cycled through since clearing the marks to tell yet. No brass marks on windage turret. When I watched it, the empties appeared to come straight out the middle of the port, axially, not too high and not too low, contacting nothing.

ONLY on brisk retraction of the bolt. That's why I'm thinking the way I am, the rearward velocity of the case could be making it hit the rear of the port and making the case bounce back in instead of bouncing off and out. The slightly shorter length of the Creedmoor case could be allowing for a faster spin (rotation for you science types).
 
Re: 6.5 Creedmoor Rem 700 Ejection Problem?

Lowlight, et al.:

Just took a look at things in situ and found this:

1. Case exit is low out the ejection port, nothing is coming close to the one-piece scope mount and even farther away from the windage knob.

2. There appear to be no skid marks on the bottom edge of the ejection port. Could smoke it and look closer, but that's pretty low on the possibilities list.

3. Most, even with fairly sedate bolt operation, are bouncing off the rear edge of the port. Picked up some brass "freckles" on the side of the receiver about 3/8 to 1/2 inch back from the port. More brisk retraction tends to have the brass bouncing forward in the 11:00 direction, often not spinning at all, going head-first.

4. The three that landed inside the bolt path (on top of the follower or the next case in the mag), and the fourth that barely dribbled out of the action, all appeared to spin a full 180 degrees off the bolt and lost all spinning energy as the case mouth hit the back of the ejection port.

5. The brass is picking up impact lines about .08 or so long about 1/2-inch and a bit more up from the case head. I see no contact point to do this other than the almost sharp corner at the outside front edge of the rear receiver ring.

Can't tell much more without some high-speed photography but the kids with their videocam expertise need to go to bed.

I'm thinking that this is possibly a problem when the bolt head has gone back with enough speed that there is only empty space "inside" the rear receiver ring which is the edge of the rear of the ejection port. If there's still some bolt there, the front of the case is bouncing off of the bolt and receiver surfaces.

Tonight's conclusion is that the slightly shorter Creedmoor cases have enough of a different "bounce dynamic" that instead of rebounding off and out, they sometimes miss the outside of the rear receiver ring, leaving just enough weight inside of the ejection port that gravity stabilizes them there. The casehead just follows the case in, sitting quite pretty backwards there.

Possible solutions:

1. Silicone Rubber a 1/8-inch piece of material matching the front of the receiver ring in there. Hard rubber perhaps. Maybe with a triangular cross-section tapering to almost zero on the outside of the "circle" making a bevel. Closes up the port a bit more than it is already. Easy, reversible, not totally durable.

2. Experiment with heavier and lighter ejector springs. Change the speed of rotation. Voodoo and witchcraft, decision by experimentation. Could start with heavier by putting a spacer under the spring, do lighter only after getting a replacement spring.

3. Experiment with bevels on the ejector plunger, to move the direction a bit "up" in the port. Could maybe change the angle of the spin before the front of the case starts hitting things. Don't start without a replacement plunger.

4. Give up and switch to a rifle with a fixed ejector. I think there's something to be said for keeping the case on the boltface until you're really ready to kick it out. That would seem to be quite insensitive to empty case length. Not a realistic option. This rifle is so accurate it is worth the effort to perfect it.

5. Give up and just remember to operate the bolt moderately. Fooey! Unacceptable. Being a rifle, there remains the possibility that it might be needed for use in, um, a stressful setting. One must be prepared for foreseeable user errors. That's why I'll never buy another pistol that *requires* the user to "fire" before taking it apart...

6. Put a 22-1/2 degree bevel at the back of the ejection port. That *might* put a little sideways shucking action into the bouncing around. Hard metal, hard costs, money lost if it doesn't work. Can't fully predict effectiveness with Option #1 above because the surface would be .10 or so behind the one introduced there. Nevertheless, if I had a mill, I'd try it in a heartbeat because I see no downside to it.