Rifle Scopes <$600 tactical scopes, more confused than ever...

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The more <$600, the better...

I read a lot here and there and everywhere more than I post, but I am still kinda clueless as to the choice of my very first scope. I could name brand after brand after brand and model... that others swear by. Yes a USO or NF or Zeiss Hendsoldt or S&B whatever it is, is probably, THE SHIT.

I cannot afford "the shit", ok?

In reality, I will paper punch more than anything, along with the occasional coyote or varmint or feral critter. Most shots will be well under 100 yards, and likely never more than 200 yards, unless I drive a ways for fun. As a photographer, I get the respect for NIKON glass. As a realist, I understand why 35/34/30 mm would be better that 25.4mm. Online I have looked at the Millets, Muellers, Super Snipers, Bushnells, Vortex vipers, what have yous and was gonna look at the Falcons, but their website is down, and that is never a good sign, Sightrons, Nikons, etc. Don't want a 3 foot long telescope sitting atop the rifle, prefer something repeatable and reliable with turns, at least semi mildot, milmil, with what ya'll might term "decent glass", at least 30mm, and with tactical knobs.

The rifle is a TC Icon PH in .308, guaranteed sub moa. (Edited to say that it has the machined in weaver/picitinny, with a gap over the chamber, so can't move scope rings forward to compensate for too much hanging over the rear.) Do not wish to shortchange it, but it is not a custom Mchotrod either. Like the 4-14 idea, and best I can tell, the Millett TRS-1 4-16x50 Tactical 30mm may be my best choice @ the $300 mark. Given that this will have to double as a southeastern Appalachian mountain hunter as well as ranger, I don't think a fixed 10 power scope is best for me.

Thoughts or input for the budgetnoobie?

Thanks in advance.
 
Re: <$600 tactical scopes, more confused than ever...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dsparil</div><div class="ubbcode-body">super sniper or the falcon series would be nice. or a used leupold. </div></div>

What he said, I would add Nikon monarch and/or buckmaster and Bushnell 3200 tactical's to that list if you are looking for a verible power scope for hunting and paper punching.

Weaver and Super Sniper have new tactical's coming out that may fall in your price range.

Just stay away from simmons, tasco, bsa and the lesser bushnells sold at many box stores. They may work for a while but will fail quickly if used much, as well as piss you off due to accuracy of adjustment and holding zero's.
 
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Get the new Super Sniper variable. It would be perfect for your needs and wants. For 200 to 300 yards, 9x is more than you will ever need. It has great knobs, it is a mil/mil system glass is good. It will be tough to beat for its price. Plus with SWFA your customer service will be excellent if it is needed.
 
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I think it boils down to one thing:

If you want mil, go with a Falcon, if you want MOA, go with WO Tac.

I have no experiebce with the SS variable, but I would recomend a little more magnification. If you are 100% sure that you will never stretch its legs, 9x will be fine though.
 
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Another scope that I have had good luck with is the Vortex Viper series. These are SFP but some are available with Mildot reticles and they seem to track well and decent glass for the money.
 
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Anyone on here review the SS 3-9x42 recently?

Mine is arriving any day now so really just looking for any hands on feedback?

Rath
 
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If it's going to double as a hunter, you might consider capped turrets......

I have a Falcon, they are nice for the $
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Another vote for Vortex Viper. You get 3 mils on the horizontal reticle with the EPB reticle (pre-set holdovers on the vertical), or you can just go with the mil reticle.

The ease and solidity of the knob re-set is WORTH an extra $100, but they don't charge for it.

Under $400, go with the WOTac.

I've messed around with both.
 
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If you are ok with mil/mil (which you should be) go with the Falcon 4-14. It will be great for paper punching and hunting.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gugubica</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you want mil, go with a Falcon, if you want MOA, go with WO Tac.</div></div>

For just this issue, I'd agree with you, but for some, there's more going on here than just Mil vs. MOA.

I had a WOTAC Gen. 4. Best scope I've ever seen for $329. Hats off to Matt. I sold it and bought a Falcon 4-14 because every time I'd use the reticle to range on the WOTAC, I'd forget that it was only accurate at 9x, or forget to do the conversion at 14x. This was a showstopper for me. For people who don't care, the WOTAC would be a great buy. If you range a lot and this is an issue, FFP might be better, but it has it's pitfalls too. Best to understand them all before you buy. In my case, because I hadn't done a lot of ranging before, I LEARNED by buying.

John
 
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I have a Nikon Monarch 4x16x42 SF with a mildot reticle. It has a 1" tube, but is very clear. I am happy with this scope so far, a lot of scope for the $450 price tag.

I would love to have have a USO, Nightforce, etc. And someday maybe I'll be able to afford one.



Rob Opp
 
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Get a used Leupold, Nikon, or Nightforce. Don't waste your hard earned money on that low end stuff. Couple days ago someone on this site bought a 4-14X50 Nikon Tactical (mildot reticle) for $450.00. At first the seller wanted $900.00. Be patient search the site and good deals are to be had. Plenty of used Lupys floating around too. The economy really sucks and folks are selling their toys. Good luck
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chpprguy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If it's going to double as a hunter, you might consider capped turrets......

I have a Falcon, they are nice for the $
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I have one (like it allot) but haven't really done a full review. Frank has the 10X HD and the 3-9 in hand (I think) and should be putting up reviews sometime soon.

In short:
glass is much better than the older 10X

turrets are much improved in feel

FFP is nice in the 3-9, not too small on the bottom end of magnification, not too big on the top

there is a slight "tunneling effect" from 3-5X, but it is gone at 5X - and the glass looks to be all reticle, no tube visible in the field of regard

the killflash is too dense and makes the scope quite dark, it needs a killflash similar to USO's to be great

tracking seems to be dead-on

power ring isn't going to turn by accident

If you don't need 10X+, it's hard to beat the 3-9SS at anything under $1,000 or s0.


Let us know what you think.
 
Re: <$600 tactical scopes, more confused than ever...

I just wanted to sincerely thank everyone who replied. You have given me a lot to smoke over and chew on here, and while I am less confused, there certainly are a myriad of good choices and alternatives recommended. While I have not made any concrete decision, I think I have heard enough to vacate my initial interest in the Millet, and pounce on any good deal on a used higher quality scope of some of those mentioned... and be patient if none present themselves.

Thanks again.
 
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If I had to buy a scope under $600 I would get a Falcon Menace in the power level you want but probably the 4-14x44 FFP. For about $390 it's a good scope.
 
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My son and I shoot the Menace 4-14x44 to 1000 yards. Its working out for us, and the only one item that I would want is a finer reticle line. It is a good starter scope.

I'll be in the same boat with you looking for a used high end scope when they show up in the market, meanwhile we can enjoy the shooting. I have no trouble in believing that I'll get a good portion of the money I put on the Falcon when that time comes around.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tat668</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the only one item that I would want is a finer reticle line</div></div>

Do you have the ML20 or the EMD? My understanding is that the EMD is thinner.

John
 
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In addition to the super snipers, falcon menace and used leupolds I've heard good things about sightron. I've checked out their site and they seem to have a pretty good selection and sell at a decent price range. There is usually a pretty good selection of scopes on this site. I've picked up two leupolds and a nxf at good prices in the optics section in the past.
 
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To me there is really nothing in the 600.00 range that is worth 600.00. Either you have to go to the 300.00 to 400.00 range and get something made in China or you are in the 1000.00 to 2000.00 range right off the bat.

I've done a lot of looking and research. There just is nothing in this 600.00 price range that is manufactured that fits the bill, tactical wise.

People complain that USO scopes are too expensive but in reality, most of us shoot .308's, or 22-250's, or even .22's (and with the cost of bullets these days I shoot mainly my .22LR's and have fun all day) and with that, and most ranges that only go out to 600 yards, and with most target practice done at 100-600 yards, one can see that for most cases, a scope in the 10x size fits 90% of everyday target shooting.

And, since that is the case, You can go custom build yourself a US Optics ST10 10X scope for 945.00 to 1250.00 price range and have a real US Optics scope. So why would someone go spend 899.00- 1000.00 on a Nikon, or a Zeiss or any of the 899.99 range scopes when they can order a brand new USOptics ST10 10X for under 1000.00 and even custom order one with upgraded bells and whistles and still come in at 1275.00ish? You can get the US Optics ST10 10X with adjustable ERGO parallax, #3M40 windage in 1/10mil, #3M40 elevation knobs in 1/10mil, and 44mm Objective and have the scope you want for less than a Valdada or Leupold of equal power?

But again the 600.00 scope range is a big issue with everyone. There was a thread here a few months back that we all bitched and moaned for weeks about this void, or vacuum in the 600.00 price range where everyone including myself commented that what we wanted was a solid build with o.k. glass. Instead of high dollar glass, we all agreed that we would love medium quality glass in a much better chassis. For example, Falcon Menace glass in a US Optics quality chassis for around 699.00, and it could easily happen, but no one is doing it.

I own CNC machines and I know it takes the exact same time to run a mill path for the same part whether you use 7075 aluminum or 6061 or cast pot metal, so the shop time is the same, the only cost factor is the metals cost and if US Optics can sell me a brand new ST10 with US Optics glass in it for 945.00, then I know someone can make (even I can) the exact same quality chassis and knobs and put Chinese glass in it and have a solid precise, excellent scope with constant working parts (as is with the USO chassis) but for around 699.00 (300.00 cost reduction being the glass) and they wouldn't be able to make them fast enough to keep up with demand....

I would buy one in 2 seconds for my CZ 452 and my 700 22-250.

You see everybody that builds scopes thinks the same, if they build a super quality chassis, then they MUST put super quality glass in it (in their minds eye)....on the other side, the makers of cheap scopes build a sub-par chassis with cheap shitty knobs and quality issues with of course cheap glass. You are stuck with 299.00-399.00 or 1000.00-2000.00.

Why no one takes the medium grade Japanese or Chinese glass and puts in it a super quality chassis for 699.00 is totally beyond me....

O- and one more thing I'm not talking MOA either, I mean all Mil-Mil, and to make it easier, a fixed power to start off with, 10X or 13X by god.......

But, a company like USO is not going to do it because they will not want to be associated with cheap glass and I understand that. But an entrepreneur that wanted to could start a brand new company with just this void in the market in mind, and make a killing (no pun intended).
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheArtist</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To me there is really nothing in the 600.00 range that is worth 600.00. </div></div>


This is worth every bit of $600:

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