Ok so i bought a bushneil 6500 elite brand new for $605.00. Did I get ripped off? It has target turrets and is mill dot. but I have been reeding on them and they don't get any good reviews. is this true I could only find a couple people that had actually shoot with them and the rest where here say. So should i return it or just keep it for a while until I can get something better and use it as a back up.
Rifle Scopes 6500 elite ???/
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YES!
Why is it lately that people come and post stuff like "Hey...I just bought this scope/rifle/handgun/blender/marital aide/etc. and I want to know if I done good or if I shoulda got something else?!?!"
Well, if you do your homework and post questions like this BEFORE you drop the cash...you can avoid a lot of headaches, possible returns and people generally telling you that you read before you buy! Caveat emptor!
The Elite 6500 scopes are just "okay" but they are nothing to write home about in terms of the quality of the glass and the features/performance they offer. The ones I have seen get dark and generally poor at the upper end of the magnification range (at least the 4.5-30x models). I have seen some of them hold up okay while one 2.5-16x model I played with was dead on arrival from the factory and would not hold zero. Others have tracking problems. That aside, the optics weren't all that bad through the mag range on the 2.5-16x model, but the scopes are still overpriced.
If it were me and I didn't have 2-3x the money to spend on a scope right now, I'd return the $600 Elite 6500 and get something like the $300 Weaver Grand Slam Tactical 3-10x mil/mil from MidwayUSA until I could get a decent scope (and I'd put the $300 I saved from the return in my optics piggy bank to put toward the better scope down the road).
YES!
Why is it lately that people come and post stuff like "Hey...I just bought this scope/rifle/handgun/blender/marital aide/etc. and I want to know if I done good or if I shoulda got something else?!?!"
Well, if you do your homework and post questions like this BEFORE you drop the cash...you can avoid a lot of headaches, possible returns and people generally telling you that you read before you buy! Caveat emptor!
The Elite 6500 scopes are just "okay" but they are nothing to write home about in terms of the quality of the glass and the features/performance they offer. The ones I have seen get dark and generally poor at the upper end of the magnification range (at least the 4.5-30x models). I have seen some of them hold up okay while one 2.5-16x model I played with was dead on arrival from the factory and would not hold zero. Others have tracking problems. That aside, the optics weren't all that bad through the mag range on the 2.5-16x model, but the scopes are still overpriced.
If it were me and I didn't have 2-3x the money to spend on a scope right now, I'd return the $600 Elite 6500 and get something like the $300 Weaver Grand Slam Tactical 3-10x mil/mil from MidwayUSA until I could get a decent scope (and I'd put the $300 I saved from the return in my optics piggy bank to put toward the better scope down the road).
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Thanks for the input. Sorry for me I did not do my home work first. I did contact the company and the return is in progress. My wife gave the go ahead to get a scope after I order this one. I was trying to keep the cost down so she wouldn't kill me and it didn't work out. O well. Lesson learned Thanks
Thanks for the input. Sorry for me I did not do my home work first. I did contact the company and the return is in progress. My wife gave the go ahead to get a scope after I order this one. I was trying to keep the cost down so she wouldn't kill me and it didn't work out. O well. Lesson learned Thanks
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wow that was fast.... i have an elite 6500 and seems to be fine... one of my buddys use to teach sniper class and i bought his for $600 with mounts. I have heard that it is great until you step it up to N/F or others to that scale..what are you using it for?
wow that was fast.... i have an elite 6500 and seems to be fine... one of my buddys use to teach sniper class and i bought his for $600 with mounts. I have heard that it is great until you step it up to N/F or others to that scale..what are you using it for?
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You should look here on the hide lots of good glass are for sale like USO, NF,Premier, etc. If you are patient you can pick one of these up for a great deal.
You should look here on the hide lots of good glass are for sale like USO, NF,Premier, etc. If you are patient you can pick one of these up for a great deal.
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Hi Jason- it is the fashion to bash Bushnell, Leupold and a few other brands in this forum. But, in fact, the Elite 4200 and 6500 lines are quite good, with excellent coatings. The fashion here is to use IOR, USO, et al., all good brands but requiring very high prices, and largely unusable for hunting actual animals (unless you go truly long range)- paper or men only. I am waiting to see somebody walk&stalk with a 38 oz scope in the bush, that would be a good laugh to see
You don't need to spend a huge amount of money to get a good scope. In fact, for $600 you can find excellent scopes. The Elite 6500 line is a very good line, comparable to the VX3 from Leupold, Vortex Viper, and the Sightron SII Big Sky/ SIII. Will you get the best scope in the world? No - for that you would need to spend many thousands of dollars. Will you get an excellent scope, probably beyond what you can do with your rifle? Yes.
If you are not sure who to believe, you can check, for instance, this ongoing thread on an outstanding optics forum, which compares the Elite 6500 to the Vortex Viper line: there you will see veteran optics lovers with thousands of posts doing a rational comparison of brands. If you do some research you will finds hundreds of such threads. Beyond snipershide, you can search on opticstalk, 24hourcampfire, thehighroad and many other forums.
By no means do I intend to deprecate excellent brands such as USO or Nightforce. Nor do I disagree with their supporters, who have excellent arguments. But these lines are appropriate to the right purpose and the right budget only. If you want to hunt or do recreational shooting, they are in general inappropriate. Unless you are planning to use a *heavy*, 10-12 lb rifle, practically solely used for high precision shooting at the range or for 800 yard shooting expeditions, you will be better off with smaller, lighter, handier, and cheaper scopes.
Btw, if money is hard to come by, you have many choices in the $400-$500 range that are already outstanding. A couple would be the Sightron SII Big Sky 3-9x42, or the Leupold VX3 3.5-10x40. If you want to go even lower, you will also find very good scopes in the $300-$400 range, such as the Leupold VXII 2.5-7x33, the Burris Full Field II 3-9x40, or the Sightron SII 2.5-10x32.
There are excellent scopes for all budgets, and they will do the job 95% of the time. It's only when you want to hunt very early dawn or late dusk, or when you are shooting beyond 500 yards, that budget becomes an issue. Please do not think that you need thousands of dollars to get an excellent set-up to do some good, accurate shooting. If you like steak, you can get a great piece of meat for $8/lb, you don't need hand-rubbed Kobe beef at $40/lb...
Hi Jason- it is the fashion to bash Bushnell, Leupold and a few other brands in this forum. But, in fact, the Elite 4200 and 6500 lines are quite good, with excellent coatings. The fashion here is to use IOR, USO, et al., all good brands but requiring very high prices, and largely unusable for hunting actual animals (unless you go truly long range)- paper or men only. I am waiting to see somebody walk&stalk with a 38 oz scope in the bush, that would be a good laugh to see
You don't need to spend a huge amount of money to get a good scope. In fact, for $600 you can find excellent scopes. The Elite 6500 line is a very good line, comparable to the VX3 from Leupold, Vortex Viper, and the Sightron SII Big Sky/ SIII. Will you get the best scope in the world? No - for that you would need to spend many thousands of dollars. Will you get an excellent scope, probably beyond what you can do with your rifle? Yes.
If you are not sure who to believe, you can check, for instance, this ongoing thread on an outstanding optics forum, which compares the Elite 6500 to the Vortex Viper line: there you will see veteran optics lovers with thousands of posts doing a rational comparison of brands. If you do some research you will finds hundreds of such threads. Beyond snipershide, you can search on opticstalk, 24hourcampfire, thehighroad and many other forums.
By no means do I intend to deprecate excellent brands such as USO or Nightforce. Nor do I disagree with their supporters, who have excellent arguments. But these lines are appropriate to the right purpose and the right budget only. If you want to hunt or do recreational shooting, they are in general inappropriate. Unless you are planning to use a *heavy*, 10-12 lb rifle, practically solely used for high precision shooting at the range or for 800 yard shooting expeditions, you will be better off with smaller, lighter, handier, and cheaper scopes.
Btw, if money is hard to come by, you have many choices in the $400-$500 range that are already outstanding. A couple would be the Sightron SII Big Sky 3-9x42, or the Leupold VX3 3.5-10x40. If you want to go even lower, you will also find very good scopes in the $300-$400 range, such as the Leupold VXII 2.5-7x33, the Burris Full Field II 3-9x40, or the Sightron SII 2.5-10x32.
There are excellent scopes for all budgets, and they will do the job 95% of the time. It's only when you want to hunt very early dawn or late dusk, or when you are shooting beyond 500 yards, that budget becomes an issue. Please do not think that you need thousands of dollars to get an excellent set-up to do some good, accurate shooting. If you like steak, you can get a great piece of meat for $8/lb, you don't need hand-rubbed Kobe beef at $40/lb...
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I walk and stalk with my SN3 on a 20 inch Heavy Barrel 308 ... After Body Armor and Carrying a couple hundred rounds of Ammo ... sometimes a Radio ... its like Jogging ...
Oh yah ... when that 600 yard shot is available ... I can take it with confidence ...
As to the OP ... yah I know you wanna keep costs down to keep the little lady happy ... but you do get what you pay for. I spend the $$$ on USO not because its "tacticool" but because I abuse my equipment ... and want it to keep functioning. If you shoot 12 times a year at the range and hunt for a week once a year ... you don't need a $2k optic. If you are going to keep costs down sacrifice some features to get a better scope, Illum, side focus, and get some better glass for the money.
I walk and stalk with my SN3 on a 20 inch Heavy Barrel 308 ... After Body Armor and Carrying a couple hundred rounds of Ammo ... sometimes a Radio ... its like Jogging ...
Oh yah ... when that 600 yard shot is available ... I can take it with confidence ...
As to the OP ... yah I know you wanna keep costs down to keep the little lady happy ... but you do get what you pay for. I spend the $$$ on USO not because its "tacticool" but because I abuse my equipment ... and want it to keep functioning. If you shoot 12 times a year at the range and hunt for a week once a year ... you don't need a $2k optic. If you are going to keep costs down sacrifice some features to get a better scope, Illum, side focus, and get some better glass for the money.
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Sapper - no disrespect intended here - you are going after men who are shooting back. He is not He does not need (a) body armor, (b) 200 rounds of ammo, (c) radio, (e) a 20" heavy barrel in the bush, and (f) a top-heavy scope. He might not need to take a 600 yard shot. In fact, he probably does not. But, even if he did, he still does not need to spend $1000s for a scope if he needs to make do with a lower budget. Let's make sure we recommend the appropriate equipment for the appropriate tasks.
Btw, I spent my time in as well, some of it around Irak the first time around. It does not mean I carry my body armor when I go hunting. Neither do I need a USO to go shooting at my local 200 yard range
That said, I love USO, and I will certainly end up being a customer in the near future. But not everyone needs to be...
Sapper - no disrespect intended here - you are going after men who are shooting back. He is not
He does not need (a) body armor, (b) 200 rounds of ammo, (c) radio, (e) a 20" heavy barrel in the bush, and (f) a top-heavy scope. He might not need to take a 600 yard shot. In fact, he probably does not. But, even if he did, he still does not need to spend $1000s for a scope if he needs to make do with a lower budget. Let's make sure we recommend the appropriate equipment for the appropriate tasks.Btw, I spent my time in as well, some of it around Irak the first time around. It does not mean I carry my body armor when I go hunting. Neither do I need a USO to go shooting at my local 200 yard range
That said, I love USO, and I will certainly end up being a customer in the near future. But not everyone needs to be...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WestOfPecos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sapper - no disrespect intended here - you are going after men who are shooting back. He is not He does not need (a) body armor, (b) 200 rounds of ammo, (c) radio, (e) a 20" heavy barrel in the bush, and (f) a top-heavy scope. He might not need to take a 600 yard shot. In fact, he probably does not. But, even if he did, he still does not need to spend $1000s for a scope if he needs to make do with a lower budget. Let's make sure we recommend the appropriate equipment for the appropriate tasks.
Btw, I spent my time in as well, some of it around Irak the first time around. It does not mean I carry my body armor when I go hunting. Neither do I need a USO to go shooting at my local 200 yard range
That said, I love USO, and I will certainly end up being a customer in the near future. But not everyone needs to be... </div></div>
My references were about hunting not crawling through Tora Bora looking for Tali ... I use a SN3 on my hunting rig. After carrying all that crap overseas a 12 lbs rifle is cake. My reference was to say you can use it for that task, if your so inclined. If you will also notice I mentioned that a casual paper puncher one day a month and a weeks vaction during hunting season ... doesn't need that equipment. The biggest missing piece of the puzzle here really is he never mentioned the application for the rifle ... that is the more important piece. Application will dictate the proper optics every time - if he is looking for a good all around optic on a budget to hunt with and punch some paper out to 800 or so ... grab a SS 3-9 FFP and move out. use the promo code and get a Demo A model from sample list and he is out similiar money and in my opinion has a better optic.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WestOfPecos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sapper - no disrespect intended here - you are going after men who are shooting back. He is not
He does not need (a) body armor, (b) 200 rounds of ammo, (c) radio, (e) a 20" heavy barrel in the bush, and (f) a top-heavy scope. He might not need to take a 600 yard shot. In fact, he probably does not. But, even if he did, he still does not need to spend $1000s for a scope if he needs to make do with a lower budget. Let's make sure we recommend the appropriate equipment for the appropriate tasks.Btw, I spent my time in as well, some of it around Irak the first time around. It does not mean I carry my body armor when I go hunting. Neither do I need a USO to go shooting at my local 200 yard range
That said, I love USO, and I will certainly end up being a customer in the near future. But not everyone needs to be... </div></div>
My references were about hunting not crawling through Tora Bora looking for Tali ... I use a SN3 on my hunting rig. After carrying all that crap overseas a 12 lbs rifle is cake. My reference was to say you can use it for that task, if your so inclined. If you will also notice I mentioned that a casual paper puncher one day a month and a weeks vaction during hunting season ... doesn't need that equipment. The biggest missing piece of the puzzle here really is he never mentioned the application for the rifle ... that is the more important piece. Application will dictate the proper optics every time - if he is looking for a good all around optic on a budget to hunt with and punch some paper out to 800 or so ... grab a SS 3-9 FFP and move out. use the promo code and get a Demo A model from sample list and he is out similiar money and in my opinion has a better optic.
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You are right - the application is the key... To a degree this is why this thread is showing such a rainbow of solutions - everybody assigns his own rationale to the OP, not knowing any better.
Btw, I love the 3-9 SS FFP - I have one that rides on an M1. But I still put something else on my light hunting rifles, typically a 32mm or 36mm, 12-14 oz range. My light rifles are the ones that end up coming out of the safe most of the time, maybe because I am not as springy as I used to be...
You are right - the application is the key... To a degree this is why this thread is showing such a rainbow of solutions - everybody assigns his own rationale to the OP, not knowing any better.
Btw, I love the 3-9 SS FFP - I have one that rides on an M1. But I still put something else on my light hunting rifles, typically a 32mm or 36mm, 12-14 oz range. My light rifles are the ones that end up coming out of the safe most of the time, maybe because I am not as springy as I used to be...
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the gun is a remy 5r .308 and the primary use will be hunting.I am by no means a week man. I am only 31 and not scared to carry a 12 pound rifle and gear in to the back woods. I just want a system I will have the confidence to take the shoot when it counts.i am not sure if i will need to shoot past 600 because I haven't been put in that position nor have I had the equipment to even consider it. But that is something that with some training and the proper set up I would like to be able to consider.
the gun is a remy 5r .308 and the primary use will be hunting.I am by no means a week man. I am only 31 and not scared to carry a 12 pound rifle and gear in to the back woods. I just want a system I will have the confidence to take the shoot when it counts.i am not sure if i will need to shoot past 600 because I haven't been put in that position nor have I had the equipment to even consider it. But that is something that with some training and the proper set up I would like to be able to consider.
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Not a great price but not too bad. I think the 6500 is a good scope for the $$$$. Try it out for awhile and don't scratch it up, if you don't like it resale shouldn't be too terrible.
Not a great price but not too bad. I think the 6500 is a good scope for the $$$$. Try it out for awhile and don't scratch it up, if you don't like it resale shouldn't be too terrible.
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Well, for hunting here in northern cali 600 yard shots aren't the norm - if you go out to a big empty state though they are more common. Super Sniper 3-9, new SS 10X HD, used leupie M3, maybe one of the FFP bushnells if you can get a deal. To be honest the 600$ buck range is kind of difficult - once you get up past a thousand you will start to find lots of used deals. A nightforce 3-15 would be killer for what you are doing but I think that is probably out of your price range.
Also, there's another forum I frequent where a guy in Rocklin has a nightforce 5-22 for sale, MOA reticle and zero stops on the turrets. He's currently looking to trade it but who knows, you might get a deal. That might be a bit much $$ and too much scope for what you are doing though.
Well, for hunting here in northern cali 600 yard shots aren't the norm - if you go out to a big empty state though they are more common. Super Sniper 3-9, new SS 10X HD, used leupie M3, maybe one of the FFP bushnells if you can get a deal. To be honest the 600$ buck range is kind of difficult - once you get up past a thousand you will start to find lots of used deals. A nightforce 3-15 would be killer for what you are doing but I think that is probably out of your price range.
Also, there's another forum I frequent where a guy in Rocklin has a nightforce 5-22 for sale, MOA reticle and zero stops on the turrets. He's currently looking to trade it but who knows, you might get a deal. That might be a bit much $$ and too much scope for what you are doing though.
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If your looking for primarily hunting optic with good glass and some flexibility in the sub 1k range for cost ....
I like FFP for how simple it is ... SWFA SS 3-9 FFP
If SFP is your style ... ZIESS Conquest 4.5-14 with a Z1000 type reticle. (changed to model of ZIESS after I noticed he said 308 ... the Z1000 is the only Z reticle they offer that matches the 308 with solid accuracy for factory loads)
Those are by no means the only options around .... those are what I would choose in that price range for FFP or SFP
If your looking for primarily hunting optic with good glass and some flexibility in the sub 1k range for cost ....
I like FFP for how simple it is ... SWFA SS 3-9 FFP
If SFP is your style ... ZIESS Conquest 4.5-14 with a Z1000 type reticle. (changed to model of ZIESS after I noticed he said 308 ... the Z1000 is the only Z reticle they offer that matches the 308 with solid accuracy for factory loads)
Those are by no means the only options around .... those are what I would choose in that price range for FFP or SFP
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+1 on on sapper's suggestions. You have a heavy rifle that can deal with a heavier scope. Other options: Sightron SIII, Sightron SII Big Sky, Leupold VX3, Bushnell 4200/ 6500 Elite, Vortex Viper (check Viper sale here ) in appropriate magnification. Normally I would recommend 2x7, 2.5x8, 3x9, but your heavy rifle is made for precision range work, you would shortchange it with anything smaller than a 3x9, so I think 3x9 and 4x14 are appropriate. Of course, this rifle+scope combo is not ideal for walk&stalk hunting, but it will shine for stationary hunting and range work.
+1 on on sapper's suggestions. You have a heavy rifle that can deal with a heavier scope. Other options: Sightron SIII, Sightron SII Big Sky, Leupold VX3, Bushnell 4200/ 6500 Elite, Vortex Viper (check Viper sale here ) in appropriate magnification. Normally I would recommend 2x7, 2.5x8, 3x9, but your heavy rifle is made for precision range work, you would shortchange it with anything smaller than a 3x9, so I think 3x9 and 4x14 are appropriate. Of course, this rifle+scope combo is not ideal for walk&stalk hunting, but it will shine for stationary hunting and range work.
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I spent my euros on 6500 2.5-16 mildot and it's kind of an double-edged sword. To be honest, the glass on bushnell 6500 isn't that good. In fact, leupold vx3 or meopta will kick its ass without problems. Also, the eye relief and position is pretty tricky with 6500. In my opinion, what makes it good is the rainguard coating. So far it is the best coating on optics I've ever used in real hunting situations. Usually here in finland when hunting it's always dealing with some degree of moisture which fogs lenses, and bushnells coating will cope with that. On the range the situation is completely different. Anyway, if the optics is used while hunting, bushnell is pretty good. If it's used on the range, I'd consider something different.
Of course, prices are abit different here in northern europe, the elite 6500 is around $1000, so price/performance ratio is biased in this opinion
I spent my euros on 6500 2.5-16 mildot and it's kind of an double-edged sword. To be honest, the glass on bushnell 6500 isn't that good. In fact, leupold vx3 or meopta will kick its ass without problems. Also, the eye relief and position is pretty tricky with 6500. In my opinion, what makes it good is the rainguard coating. So far it is the best coating on optics I've ever used in real hunting situations. Usually here in finland when hunting it's always dealing with some degree of moisture which fogs lenses, and bushnells coating will cope with that. On the range the situation is completely different. Anyway, if the optics is used while hunting, bushnell is pretty good. If it's used on the range, I'd consider something different.
Of course, prices are abit different here in northern europe, the elite 6500 is around $1000, so price/performance ratio is biased in this opinion
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1k for a bushnell 6500 scope? OUCH. They're like 5-650 here in the US. As for the OP I talked to that guy and he wants 1700 for the NF 5.5-22 with MOA and zero stops + rings and I think a larue mount.
1k for a bushnell 6500 scope? OUCH. They're like 5-650 here in the US. As for the OP I talked to that guy and he wants 1700 for the NF 5.5-22 with MOA and zero stops + rings and I think a larue mount.
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NF is a pretty damn good scope, I have the 5.5-22 MLR MRAD scope and I'm very pleased with it. I've been waiting for the viper PST for the next scope but I've fed up waiting for it so the next scope will be bender PMII. If time and patience is not an issue, I'd probably wait for the PST. Spec-wise it can be the next best thing since sliced bread if they can fix the problems and it really is that good specs say. But the bender is the bender... It's the same thing with all highend scopes, you will get what you're paying for, there are no doubts.
NF is a pretty damn good scope, I have the 5.5-22 MLR MRAD scope and I'm very pleased with it. I've been waiting for the viper PST for the next scope but I've fed up waiting for it so the next scope will be bender PMII. If time and patience is not an issue, I'd probably wait for the PST. Spec-wise it can be the next best thing since sliced bread if they can fix the problems and it really is that good specs say. But the bender is the bender... It's the same thing with all highend scopes, you will get what you're paying for, there are no doubts.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: heikkiv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">NF is a pretty damn good scope, I have the 5.5-22 MLR MRAD scope and I'm very pleased with it. </div></div>
I have an IOR 3-18 which I just got and I don't know how I did without good glass and mil mil FFP before. I sighted it in @ 100 and then shot out to 650 dialing comeups and holding off for windage. Scope held zero and dialed perfectly (I did have to reset the parallax though it was goofed).
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: heikkiv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">NF is a pretty damn good scope, I have the 5.5-22 MLR MRAD scope and I'm very pleased with it. </div></div>
I have an IOR 3-18 which I just got and I don't know how I did without good glass and mil mil FFP before. I sighted it in @ 100 and then shot out to 650 dialing comeups and holding off for windage. Scope held zero and dialed perfectly (I did have to reset the parallax though it was goofed).
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I've got a 5-15x50 3200 that has taken me out to 300 with my 17. LOVE the clarity. The whole Elite line is sweet. I only wish I had target turrets.
I've got a 5-15x50 3200 that has taken me out to 300 with my 17. LOVE the clarity. The whole Elite line is sweet. I only wish I had target turrets.
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I don't have any major complaints about the 6500. Yes, at 30x its not as clear as 20 but... how many people actually need more than 20? For hunting especially. It is sitting on top of my .50 cal and I was shooting at 800yds the other day with no problem. I have had it on there for 6 months or so and never lost zero.
I have noticed that many people see a name brand and automatically either bash it or jump on the bandwagon. I just bought my first NF but not only because the rest of the Hide members said so. I looked through several, talked with Actual Owners and based my purchase on that. Not because a lot of people read a bias article.
Same goes with bashers.
I say keep the 6500, if you like it great. if not sell it.
FYI-ignorrance is bliss. If you don't play with an expensive scope, you will not know any different
I don't have any major complaints about the 6500. Yes, at 30x its not as clear as 20 but... how many people actually need more than 20? For hunting especially. It is sitting on top of my .50 cal and I was shooting at 800yds the other day with no problem. I have had it on there for 6 months or so and never lost zero.
I have noticed that many people see a name brand and automatically either bash it or jump on the bandwagon. I just bought my first NF but not only because the rest of the Hide members said so. I looked through several, talked with Actual Owners and based my purchase on that. Not because a lot of people read a bias article.
Same goes with bashers.
I say keep the 6500, if you like it great. if not sell it.
FYI-ignorrance is bliss. If you don't play with an expensive scope, you will not know any different
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