i have been looking at a 3-9x trijicon accupoint with triangle reticle for a long time now to go on a 18.5" m14. this being my first magnified optic, i figured it will be an easy transition from aimpoints. i hear all the folks who have them rave about how fast, easy and even precise the triangle reticle can be. but what happens when you get out past 250-300 yards when you start needing to compensate for drop? how do you hold over with the triangle obstructing your target? and lets not forget its on top os a big black post. i have heard many folks claim they can work out a decent hold over but im not sure how this is possible. now clearly this is not a long range optic and i will probably never go much over 600 yards with this riffle and rarely over 300. i just want to know if it is possible and how it is working out for you. i have many more questions regarding the trijicon accupoints but lets start here. thank you in advance for any replies.
Rifle Scopes accupoint triangle
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Re: accupoint triangle
I have the 3-9 now and have had the 2.5-10 and the 5-20 Accupoints.
It is my experience, and others claim otherwise, that the BAC is not ideal for precision work. I have far more trouble placing precise rounds with the triangle reticle than with a conventional crosshair reticle. That said, the triangle reticle is quite fast on target, but hold-overs aren't particularly easy.
For quick shots, it works well; for precise shots, not quite so well. As someone else said, you can have fast or accurate, but not both.
My 3-9 is on a lightweight hunting rifle used for woodland hunting, shots aren't longer than 200 yards.
Hope that helps.
I have the 3-9 now and have had the 2.5-10 and the 5-20 Accupoints.
It is my experience, and others claim otherwise, that the BAC is not ideal for precision work. I have far more trouble placing precise rounds with the triangle reticle than with a conventional crosshair reticle. That said, the triangle reticle is quite fast on target, but hold-overs aren't particularly easy.
For quick shots, it works well; for precise shots, not quite so well. As someone else said, you can have fast or accurate, but not both.
My 3-9 is on a lightweight hunting rifle used for woodland hunting, shots aren't longer than 200 yards.
Hope that helps.
Re: accupoint triangle
Seems like a pretty poor reticle/scope combination to me. If you are shooting inside of 300 yards and want speed, then you most likely want an optic with very low magnification. On the other hand if you are shooting out to 600 you are going to want a reticle that allows more positive hold overs (unless you are able to dial elevation as needed).
I'd either get the Trijicon 1-4, or a regular red dot, or if you want the magnification then get the 3-9 in TR20-2 model.
Not really want you asked, but the reticle/scope combination is a compromise across the board.
Seems like a pretty poor reticle/scope combination to me. If you are shooting inside of 300 yards and want speed, then you most likely want an optic with very low magnification. On the other hand if you are shooting out to 600 you are going to want a reticle that allows more positive hold overs (unless you are able to dial elevation as needed).
I'd either get the Trijicon 1-4, or a regular red dot, or if you want the magnification then get the 3-9 in TR20-2 model.
Not really want you asked, but the reticle/scope combination is a compromise across the board.
Re: accupoint triangle
For my purposes: no. I like precisely placed shots, and other reticles do that better.
Opinions vary though.
For my purposes: no. I like precisely placed shots, and other reticles do that better.
Opinions vary though.
Re: accupoint triangle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kenndapp</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will keep that in mind. Thank you. I was looking at the mildot reticle aswell but I thought the small little illuminated dot would not help me as much in low light as the triangle. </div></div>
What type of "low light" shooting do you plan to do? I use a 3-9 with the green mil-dot reticle on a hunting rig and use it for fox hunting at night. I think it's perfect for low light shooting. The mil-dot reticle is pretty precise when needed for longer shots and it's nice to have the mil-dots for holdover shots as well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kenndapp</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will keep that in mind. Thank you. I was looking at the mildot reticle aswell but I thought the small little illuminated dot would not help me as much in low light as the triangle. </div></div>
What type of "low light" shooting do you plan to do? I use a 3-9 with the green mil-dot reticle on a hunting rig and use it for fox hunting at night. I think it's perfect for low light shooting. The mil-dot reticle is pretty precise when needed for longer shots and it's nice to have the mil-dots for holdover shots as well.
Re: accupoint triangle
I have the 1-4 Red triangle and I didn't, or lets say couldn't, use it for shots further than 100-150 yards. I just sold my 3-9 TRG-02 to fund my Nightforce and I was reaching out to 300+ yards with it on my 16" barrel AR. The green illumination was nice at dusk as is the red triangle but the Red triangle is too much like an Aimpoint to me and just something I use only at close distances. I think if you're shooting within 300 yards the Green Mil Dot reticle will suit you fine. Get one used on Ebay and try it, you can always sell it and pretty much get back what you paid for it. Oh yeah, green over yellow any day. My buddy has the yellow and while its still pretty "lighted" the Green is much better.
I have the 1-4 Red triangle and I didn't, or lets say couldn't, use it for shots further than 100-150 yards. I just sold my 3-9 TRG-02 to fund my Nightforce and I was reaching out to 300+ yards with it on my 16" barrel AR. The green illumination was nice at dusk as is the red triangle but the Red triangle is too much like an Aimpoint to me and just something I use only at close distances. I think if you're shooting within 300 yards the Green Mil Dot reticle will suit you fine. Get one used on Ebay and try it, you can always sell it and pretty much get back what you paid for it. Oh yeah, green over yellow any day. My buddy has the yellow and while its still pretty "lighted" the Green is much better.
Re: accupoint triangle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chawk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kenndapp</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will keep that in mind. Thank you. I was looking at the mildot reticle aswell but I thought the small little illuminated dot would not help me as much in low light as the triangle. </div></div>
What type of "low light" shooting do you plan to do? I use a 3-9 with the green mil-dot reticle on a hunting rig and use it for fox hunting at night. I think it's perfect for low light shooting. The mil-dot reticle is pretty precise when needed for longer shots and it's nice to have the mil-dots for holdover shots as well. </div></div>. Same thing.....yotes, fox on a farm at night. So green mill dot and just hold over you say?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chawk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kenndapp</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will keep that in mind. Thank you. I was looking at the mildot reticle aswell but I thought the small little illuminated dot would not help me as much in low light as the triangle. </div></div>
What type of "low light" shooting do you plan to do? I use a 3-9 with the green mil-dot reticle on a hunting rig and use it for fox hunting at night. I think it's perfect for low light shooting. The mil-dot reticle is pretty precise when needed for longer shots and it's nice to have the mil-dots for holdover shots as well. </div></div>. Same thing.....yotes, fox on a farm at night. So green mill dot and just hold over you say?
Re: accupoint triangle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kenndapp</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chawk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kenndapp</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will keep that in mind. Thank you. I was looking at the mildot reticle aswell but I thought the small little illuminated dot would not help me as much in low light as the triangle. </div></div>
What type of "low light" shooting do you plan to do? I use a 3-9 with the green mil-dot reticle on a hunting rig and use it for fox hunting at night. I think it's perfect for low light shooting. The mil-dot reticle is pretty precise when needed for longer shots and it's nice to have the mil-dots for holdover shots as well. </div></div>. Same thing.....yotes, fox on a farm at night. So green mill dot and just hold over you say? </div></div>
For normal light or low light the reticle can be used pretty effectively for holdovers on longer shots when needed. If you're going to do a lot of shooting at distances that would require elevation adjustments then you may want to look for a scope that offers exposed turrets.
At night, the lights we use don't allow shots to be taken far enough away to need holdovers... the green dot is perfect in my opinion for night hunting.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kenndapp</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chawk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kenndapp</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will keep that in mind. Thank you. I was looking at the mildot reticle aswell but I thought the small little illuminated dot would not help me as much in low light as the triangle. </div></div>
What type of "low light" shooting do you plan to do? I use a 3-9 with the green mil-dot reticle on a hunting rig and use it for fox hunting at night. I think it's perfect for low light shooting. The mil-dot reticle is pretty precise when needed for longer shots and it's nice to have the mil-dots for holdover shots as well. </div></div>. Same thing.....yotes, fox on a farm at night. So green mill dot and just hold over you say? </div></div>
For normal light or low light the reticle can be used pretty effectively for holdovers on longer shots when needed. If you're going to do a lot of shooting at distances that would require elevation adjustments then you may want to look for a scope that offers exposed turrets.
At night, the lights we use don't allow shots to be taken far enough away to need holdovers... the green dot is perfect in my opinion for night hunting.
Re: accupoint triangle
so that little illuminated mildot really does help at night? it seems like such a small point of illuminated to make any real difference in low-no light hunting. but i guess i would need some hands on time huh? how is it compared to battery powered illumination at night?
so that little illuminated mildot really does help at night? it seems like such a small point of illuminated to make any real difference in low-no light hunting. but i guess i would need some hands on time huh? how is it compared to battery powered illumination at night?
Re: accupoint triangle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kenndapp</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so that little illuminated mildot really does help at night? it seems like such a small point of illuminated to make any real difference in low-no light hunting. but i guess i would need some hands on time huh? how is it compared to battery powered illumination at night? </div></div>
I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at...
The illuimated dot is relatively small... about 1 moa or maybe a little less. But that little dot is clearly visible at night, in all conditions I've ever hunted in. This makes it easy to pinpoint where you are aiming. Additionally, the intensity of the dot is always just right in my opinion. It isn't overwhelming, which i think is a plus, I've had other illuminated scopes that wash out the image in the dark.
I like the trijicon illumination for hunting at night much better than any of the battery powered illumination setups I've tried. I got rid of my compact nightforce with mil-dot because the reticle was to thin to see at night without illumination, and with illumination on, even at the lowest setting, it would wash out the image to the point you couldn't see what you were shooting at. I've used (and sold after getting the accupoint) a VXIII 3.5-10x50 with illuminated duplex. It was good, but I found I was always fooling with the illumination settings and lost a few opportunities because of that. The best battery illumination system I've seen so far for the type of night hunting I do is the leupold firedot system, although I still prefer the accupoint because it's simple and always on.
If you decide you want a battery illumination system or want a scope that is good for night hunting and also has exposed turrets check out the Leupold VXR Patrol 3-9x40.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kenndapp</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so that little illuminated mildot really does help at night? it seems like such a small point of illuminated to make any real difference in low-no light hunting. but i guess i would need some hands on time huh? how is it compared to battery powered illumination at night? </div></div>
I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at...
The illuimated dot is relatively small... about 1 moa or maybe a little less. But that little dot is clearly visible at night, in all conditions I've ever hunted in. This makes it easy to pinpoint where you are aiming. Additionally, the intensity of the dot is always just right in my opinion. It isn't overwhelming, which i think is a plus, I've had other illuminated scopes that wash out the image in the dark.
I like the trijicon illumination for hunting at night much better than any of the battery powered illumination setups I've tried. I got rid of my compact nightforce with mil-dot because the reticle was to thin to see at night without illumination, and with illumination on, even at the lowest setting, it would wash out the image to the point you couldn't see what you were shooting at. I've used (and sold after getting the accupoint) a VXIII 3.5-10x50 with illuminated duplex. It was good, but I found I was always fooling with the illumination settings and lost a few opportunities because of that. The best battery illumination system I've seen so far for the type of night hunting I do is the leupold firedot system, although I still prefer the accupoint because it's simple and always on.
If you decide you want a battery illumination system or want a scope that is good for night hunting and also has exposed turrets check out the Leupold VXR Patrol 3-9x40.
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