Accutrigger question

[Lank]

Is the Accutrigger supposed to trip if the 'pre' or 'set' portion of the trigger is not engaged? I just picked up a brand new M10 predator in the .204 and it seems to trip when I put the tip of the finger on the main portion of the trigger and press. I was under the impression it would not unless both parts were pressed simultaniously.

 

[mram10]

Re: Accutrigger question

It will release, but will not engage the firing pin unless the first stage is pulled.

Pardon my terminology, as I am not a gunsmith.

 

[coldboremiracle]

Re: Accutrigger question

Thats correct, if you pull the trigger shoe without first fully depressing the safety part of the trigger, it will "decock" in a way, but will not fire.

 

[bodywerks]

Re: Accutrigger question

What happens is the sear will slam against the accurelease(thats what the blade on the trigger is called) and prevent the gun from firing and the only way to make it fire is to re-cycle the bolt up and down and pull the trigger properly. What you will find, I can almost guarantee, is that the trigger will do this on its own without you wanting it to, because the locking groove for the sear is so poorly cut on the trigger and there is no sear engagement adjustment on accutriggers. Then you'll come on here and ask why your trigger keeps jamming up and someone will tell you to increase the trigger pull weight to make it go away - then ill come on here and tell you that they really aren't that great a trigger and not worth hassling with and ill recommend a better trigger like SSS or similar...

 

[Stealthy]

Re: Accutrigger question

So for a rifle with an Accu Trigger would cycling the bolt just enough to do a "press check" ensure the trigger is set properly also?

 

[OptedOut]

Re: Accutrigger question

Lank,
Did you read your manual about the Accutrigger? There are literally hundreds of thousands of Accutriggers being used with absolutely no troubles whatsoever.

Will there be some that are defective...of course but most of the time it's operator error over malfunction.

 

[coldboremiracle]

Re: Accutrigger question

You can avoid all these problems and conscerns by simply taking the trigger apart, push the pin out that holds in the safety , remove it, and then put it back together. Then it works just like any other trigger. i have been EXTREMELY happy with mine ever since I did this. Perfect crisp and light pull ever time, plus I think the accutrigger looks ghey.

 

[JB Enterprise]

Re: Accutrigger question

I Agree with Coldbore you can take the safety catch out of the gun, some times people don't like the feel that the slot in the trigger leaves, even though it is ill advised on one of my rifles I tigged the slot up and repolished the trigger face and modified the trigger so i could adjust it down to 2.5 pounds, no problem as of yet.
Justin Bowerman
JB Enterprise
07 FFL in Central Ca.

 

[Lank]

Re: Accutrigger question

Thanks for the info guys. I did not read the manual, this was actually an order for a customer and the first accutrigger I had personally handled so I had not done my homework. I simply didn't know how it worked and didn't take the time to read the manual. Not a good practice I realize, but I knew you guys could educate me long before I could read the first 27 pages of warnings in the manual. Thanks again.

 

[jmanrogers]

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As long as it is a gun and not a kid!

 

[bodywerks]

Re: Accutrigger question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MSG Janoski</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lank,
Did you read your manual about the Accutrigger? There are literally hundreds of thousands of Accutriggers being used with absolutely no troubles whatsoever.

Will there be some that are defective...of course but most of the time it's operator error over malfunction.

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All four of my savages that have accutriggers had sear slippage problems right out of the box, which as far as I'm concerned means that operator error has nothing to do with it.
over on savage shooters it seems like there is a thread a week about this very problem, and almost all of them started with an unmodified factory rifle. And for every one of them someone has posted to increase the pull weight to help eliminate the problem. Well, there's a couple problems with that - for one, it doesn't always fix the problem, and for another the triggers are already above 2 pounds pull when they are unreliable. It seems that you need 3 or more pounds of pull to make them even semi reliable. That may be fine for a hunting gun but for my target guns I want a pound or less.

 

[OptedOut]

Re: Accutrigger question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bodywerks</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MSG Janoski</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lank,
Did you read your manual about the Accutrigger? There are literally hundreds of thousands of Accutriggers being used with absolutely no troubles whatsoever.

Will there be some that are defective...of course but most of the time it's operator error over malfunction.

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All four of my savages that have accutriggers had sear slippage problems right out of the box, which as far as I'm concerned means that operator error has nothing to do with it.
over on savage shooters it seems like there is a thread a week about this very problem, and almost all of them started with an unmodified factory rifle. And for every one of them someone has posted to increase the pull weight to help eliminate the problem. Well, there's a couple problems with that - for one, it doesn't always fix the problem, and for another the triggers are already above 2 pounds pull when they are unreliable. It seems that you need 3 or more pounds of pull to make them even semi reliable. That may be fine for a hunting gun but for my target guns I want a pound or less. </div></div>

To have four that were malfunctioning out of the box, you are in an astronomical percentage.

Over at Savage Shooters...over anywhere, and here on SH, on all public forums the statistical dynamics always bear out there will be the smallest percentage complaining the most over problems that are actually minute overall. (Plus a wise person will look at who the major contributors are and who advertise on any website.)

I only know, personally, eight Savage rifle owners, five of which have Accutriggers and none of those have had any trouble with theirs functioning either and like myself they have lowered the pull weight (I lowered mine to 1 1/2 lbs) of their triggers with no ill effects.

I have witnessed on a firing range at Ft. Campbell two individuals who were having trouble with new Savage rifles shown some proper firing technique by a range master/armorer and their "trigger problems" suddenly disappeared.

With today's liability factors that firearms manufactures have to deal with if there were any problems of significance with the Accutrigger there would have been a recall/replacement long ago.

But let me add if any feel the need or want to replace their Accutrigger with an aftermarket one by all means spend some money the economy can certainly use it!

 

[coldboremiracle]

Re: Accutrigger question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MSG Janoski</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I have witnessed on a firing range at Ft. Campbell two individuals who were having trouble with new Savage rifles shown some proper firing technique by a range master/armorer and their "trigger problems" suddenly disappeared.
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+1 it seems like most of the time it is improper technique.

MY father and two brothers all shoot savage accutriggers, and other than my youngest brothers improper technique(at first) nobody has ever had a single problem. 4 factory guns with a problem seems very strange.

 

[bodywerks]

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What technique do you need to cycle a damn bolt? Lift bolt, pull back, push forward, pull down, aim, pull trigger - bang. How the hell does the first seven steps require any kind of 'technique' to determine whether or not you get step 8? My remmington 700 never did this and I used the same 'technique' to load rounds into it...
I could see if I immediately disassembled the rifle and fucked with shit how that would add me to the equation. But when you buy the rifle factory new and do nothing more that run a few patches down the barrel and have these problems within the first 20-40 rounds then its a faulty trigger or factory assembly plain and simple.
And I have to take that four back - it was actually only three: a model 10FCP-XP that I purchased from Dicks and two fcp-k's(.223 and. 308), purchased new, special order from a gun shop, that all had the problem at one point or another until I increased the triggered pull weight or replaced the trigger. And by the time I got to my 4th savage(110ba in 338LM) I just beat it to the punch by immediately changing over to the SSS comp trigger and it is the only one of the four that have never failed to fire.
You mut have tunnel vision to not see all the threads about accutrigger problems...they are all over the place and the majority of them start off with a factory, unmodified rifle.

 

[coldboremiracle]

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I never liked the accutrigger as it came from the factory anyway, and haven't done any looking into how good or bad it is. After "fixing" mine and lowering the pull weight, I haven't had any need to. It does seem very strange that yours had so many problems, and I'd be very pissed off if I had to change out triggers and/or adjust them to a higher than desired pull weight right out of the box too. Another reason I guess to either redesign or get rid of the accutrigger.

 

[AXEMAN]

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ive only got one, 10fcp. 154 rounds, no issues. many times that dry fires. never touched it, adjustment tool still in the plastic bag. actions been in & out of the stock unpteen times, skim bedded now. only ever had the trigger trip on my contact. never on bolt closing. did not happen as i was slammimg dummies thru to test the first SSS 9 rounder i snagged. didnt trip when i was slamming them thru to test the feed after the bedding raised the action just that little bit. just me though. all ive done was clean the glob of grease off the dealy

 

[LHill22250]

Re: Accutrigger question

The "Accutrigger" does bring some innovation of sorts to the shooting public but it also brings with it the potential of more problems/failures. The more moving parts you have the more likely you could run into malfunction. Imagine having your "Accutrigger" fail on a hunt when that one shot presents itself or in a competition deciding shot opportunity.

If your a Savage rifle owner ditch the "Accutrigger" in favor of a good after market unit. I am in no way degrading Savage or Savage shooters. I own Rem 700's, Sako's, Weatherby's, Win 70's, Surgeon's and soon a BAT. The very first thing I've done with all of my rifles is plug-in a custom trigger.

I have quite the Glock collection all with the safety lever slotted in the trigger. I personally hate them but I have adjusted to accept them as I love the Glock design and proven reliability. A handgun is a completely different animal and does warrant utilizing every possible safety protocol.