Actions with milled-in rail?

ChadTRG42

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Are there any other tactical actions (repeaters) that include the picatiny rail that is part of the action, besides Surgeon? I'm talking about the rail built into and part of the action and not mounted by screws. I know Tikka and Sako have their proprietary rail on top, also. But I'd like to see something "meatier" like the Surgeon rail. Just curious. Thanks!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jayjaytuner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bat i belive has a integral rail model </div></div>
Yes they do! The VRPIC and HRPIC. I didn't know they made these. They might be too tight of an action for field use, though.
 
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Bat will build the rail at any MOA you want it. As far as it being to tight just have them take a few thousands off of the bolt dia.Stiller makes a stainless Viper with a rail. By the way i happen to know where there is a Bat action with a rail Ser. number is NTSD 2. I also know where the action with NTSD 1 is
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nesikabay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bat will build the rail at any MOA you want it. As far as it being to tight just have them take a few thousands off of the bolt dia.Stiller makes a stainless Viper with a rail. By the way i happen to know where there is a Bat action with a rail Ser. number is NTSD 2. I also know where the action with NTSD 1 is </div></div>
Nice, Lesley!
 
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Can we have a sneak preview Pete!
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Me too!

The Mk1 avenger looked like a solid performer, and I can visulize it with a integral rail - AWESOME.

PS. I am waiting with bated breath for the RH40.

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Is this the Avenger Mk2 ??

 
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Thats a Mk1 and that particular one had an Integral rail.
Mk II is better, more accessory compatible, further developed design.Think about the above with a rounded bottom, Rem700 stock compatability, 3 way bolt locking safety,action thread/ locking lug system like the AI and Badger (but with 3 lugs)etc.
Its been on the cards for quite a while, but the company making the Mk1's for us couldn't produce enough actions quick enough, and when the amounts went up the quality went down and we where sending actions back that we refused to use. never mind taking on a total upgrade in design.
We've now teamed up with a more capable production facility and will, with the new design, i think have a very popular action.
I'll post a thread as an introduction when i get the quality pics.

Pete
 
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Nope, the Badger is bolted on with 4 screws and 2 pins.

to be honest, a properly fitted rail should never come undone and an integral rail isn't realy nessecary.
But in the minds of shooters world wide an integral base seems apparently desirable, so i figure, give the guys what they want.
and if it gives you an edge in trusting your kit,, might as well have it.

Pete
 
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I've ordered an Avenger 2 from Pete over at Roedale for my new rig, he's building it as we speak.

Pete sent me some photo's of the new action before it had the rail milled through, and very nice it is as well, very tidy work, look better when he's added the TAiAN coating I've spec'd.

I wont post the pics out of courtesy too Pete, he would have already shown the images if he had wanted, waiting for the finished, complete item ?

Think your all like the Avenger 2 when Pete's posted pic's.
 
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In Theory, and i guess in practice, with an integral rail you do not have to worry about screws comming loose, threads stripping and rails comming off. A scope is under a fair amount of force when a rifle is fired, even more so if a brake or suppressor are used.
Hence the integral rail is more solid, failsafe, and it stiffens the action, but like i said, i have never seen a properly fitted rail come loose. and on an action that isn't milled way out for the ejection port, how stiff does it have to be, you could keep going stiff untill you have a rifle action the size of a car battery, but somewhere along the line, its stiff enough for the job + some and the rest is over kill.
and yeah i guess one can get the rail lower if not having to allow enough space for screw heads and meat under the screw heads, but the integral rails tend to be, at leaste over here about the same height as if they where bolted on..
We've actualy go a version with ( T for tactical) and a version without ( J for Jagd or in English Hunting)

Ofcourse you are limited to whatever slope is built into the rail, be it 0, or 20MOA.. up to 40 MOA for some of the longer range kit. and this lessens personal choice, in theory you can custom ordere a bolt on rail in anything from 0 to whatever and a half MOA.
But for short action calibers a 20MOA will cover about everything, if it wont then use an inclined scope rings set up too,.,.and for a long action, well up to 300WM a 20MOA will be fine, might want a 30 or even 30+ on a .338LM and other similar though.

An integral rail and recoil lug makes sense form the point of view of a riflesmith, its less fitting time of parts and certainly for anyone who swaps barrels an inmtegral lug is desirable.

Sudinim.. actualy i'm having a long needed clean up and machine maintenance day, just topped up the coolant and cleaned the lathe & milling machine too. The pics i sent where of the prototype, the slots where wrongly positioned on the picatinny and it was sloped off at the front,. I'll post pics in a thread as soon as i have nice quality ones of the production kit.

Pete