Adequate tool for checking runout?

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I haven't heard much good from users of the RCBS tool... not sure why it doesn't perform better, looks like it *should* work okay. A few of its 'whiz-bang' features look a little hokey, though.

The Sinclair (have one, sold an older previous generation model) works very well, very solidly constructed. Pretty much a one-trick pony, though. But it does its trick pretty darn well
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You can buy the base unit and then decide how much $$$ you want to drop on the indicator - anywhere from $15 to $150+, up to you.

The NECO gauge works very well, plus measures all sorts of stuff. You can wind up literally chasing your tail with this one. The indicator is a little more sensitive, and has a more limited range, plus it can be sensitive to any pressures on the bar it mounts to, so you need to be a little less ham-handed with this one (how I manage to use it remains a wonder... ) if you want to use it without *breaking* it.

Several good shooters that I know use the H&H tool and just about have me talked into trying one...

 
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Hornady also has one out now. It can correct runout like the H&H tool. Haven't used one yet, but am dieing to here some reviews.
 
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All in one anything will have limitations, I perfer dedicated tools, I just bought the Sinclair tool, the Hornadee tool looks like it might be a good tool also but I'm not paying for something that hasn't been evaluated yet, H&H is the standard by which the Hornady will be judged by, forget about the Bersin.
 
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I was planning to just shadow this thread, but nobody's mentioned the Forester tool. Is there a reason for that?

Being able to correct the run-out seems like an important feature, does anyone other than Hornady make one that does that?
 
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I have the Forster tool and am happy with it. Measures neck thickness also (needed that for a tight neck 243 AI). The gauge helped me set up my 223 dies better and my groups for highpower improved (I still suck)! Cool to roll a case and barely see the needle move.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was planning to just shadow this thread, but nobody's mentioned the Forester tool. Is there a reason for that?</div></div>

It doesn't fit the latest ideas on how to measure 'runout' I guess.

I use a modified version set up to measure 'runout' on the bullet bearing surface just ahead of the case mouth with respect to the case head web diameter, riding in the V-block, which the modified unit allows to be measured as well, kinda like a poor man's NECO but with a far better test indicator.

I also replaced the screws holding the cradle to the arbor with some longer allen head cap screws and stacked sets of opposing Belleville washers (3 total IIRC) on each side to allow the cradle to be rotated relatively easily yet stay in place without having to loosen and tighten it each time. Makes it much easier to level the cartridge.

A Hornady lock ring sits between the back of the 'headstock' and the E-ring on the spring loaded plunger to remove the pressure on the cartridge and provide a reference plane, more or less, for the case head webbing location on the V-block. Also keeps the nose of the bullet from being pressed into the end of the arbor.

The Forster Case Inspector is built along the same lines as the one from H&H as well as the one from Bruno's. A pair of V-blocks with a test indicator on a stand would work just as well as is mentioned here. Not sure if it'd be less expensive and it wouldn't be able to measure neck thickness very easily without a set of plug gages and a V-block clamp (for the plug gage), I think.

Then again I moved the drop indicator that came with the Forster to a cheap granite base comparator stand and use it with the Forster base to measure neck thickness using their pilots set in the arbor. Much easier and more repeatable than as it's delivered. The comparator stand from Enco was forty something bucks. The Bestest test indicator was eighty something bucks on sale. The two swivel clamps were like ten bucks each and the drill rod just a few bucks.
 
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JP thanks for the explanation. I have to think about it a little more before I ask for clarification, but that method sounds like a pretty good approach, I have some Vblocks and a dial indicator already, I never thought to apply them.
 
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Thought some pics might help.

Setup for runout at the bullet bearing surface:

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Setup for runout at case head web:

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Cradle mod:

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Zeroing drop indicator on pilot:

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Measuring neck thickness:

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Requires a slight bit of pressure to lift the case off the v-block and get a solid measurement on the pilot itself. Kinda lame but it works pretty well.

HTH, Pete
 
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Have had the Forster, now I have the Sinclair. Friend had the NECO, RCBS, Bersin and now only uses the Sinclair. I just sold the NECO for him and am trying to sell the Bersin. So... I'd say go with the Sinclair.

Its the easiest to switch between bullet and neck runout, or different cartridges for that matter. It is also the smoothest.

 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am looking for an adequate tool for checking case and loaded round runout. It doesn't have to be top of the line, but I don't want junk. Measuring neck thickness would be a plus but not required.

What do you guys suggest? </div></div>

i use the rcbs case master and it works great for about a 100 bux...fwiw
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks JP, those help a bunch. </div></div>

NP, glad to help. Lemme know if you need any specific part numbers. BTW, the rotation is smooth as glass making it very easy to see the runout trend, and the process doesn't leave any marks on the bullet or the case.