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AI and AX Component weights?

JayMazee

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For personal research, I'm curious what a couple of the new AI components weigh. If anyone has the weights of any of these things I'd be very very grateful!

1. AX plastic forearm / grip

2. AX rail alone, 13" or 16"

3. AX grip panels + or - forearm/handguard/carry grip

4. AI short action receiver (any), + or - barrel and trigger assembly

5. AI muzzle brake (any factory part)

6. Any AX / KeySlot add-on rail weight, any length/item

I know this is an odd ball request, but I figured maybe I'd run into someone with a chassis in parts right next to their scale ;) Thanks!
 
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AI AW Weights. I don't have access to an AX, but it can give you an idea...

Weights are in ounces:

Code:
AIAW Chassis NO BARREL w/Thumbhole Skins w/Cheek Riser w/o Scope	135
AIAW 26" 308 UK Barrel no brake.	60.5
AIAW 20" 308 UK Barrel no brake	58.0
AIAW 26" .260 Barrel No Threads	81.0
AI Single Chamber Muzzle Brake	5.1
AI Double Chamber Brake	5.6
AIAW 10Rd. Magazine	  5.5
AI Thumbhole skins	23.9
Viper Skins  22.2
AI Cheekpiece  4.3
AIAW Bolt	16

All up an AW in 26" configuration with one magazine and no scope/rings is: 12.9lbs.

The above also does not include a sling or bipod.

Common bipod weights are:

Code:
Harris 9"  w/Pivot Swivel			14.4
Harris Basic 9" w/o Swivel  			11.1
Harris 6" w/Swivel and notched legs			13.1
Atlas Bipod			15.7
AI Parker Hale Bipod			24.8

Common sling weights:

Code:
USGI	4.3
RifleCraft RS2	5.9
Magpul MS3 6.3
AI Sling w/HK Hooks	6.3
Butler Creek Neoprene 4.8
Grovtec Swivels (non-Mil) X2 1.2

My AW with 26" barrel, scope, sling, and swivels is 15.5lbs.

I don't know what the weight difference is between the old and new AX. The new AX has an updated folder though and that could affect the weight.
 
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Can I ask what the purpose of the weights are? The AX action doesn't come off the chassis so that's not going to be possible.

Look up the weight for an AX and the weight for the barrel and subtract it. That's probably as good as you're going to get. If you're trying to figure out ways to save weight there's no much you're going to be able to do other than shorten and profile the barrel and even then it won't be much.
 
Most of my questions can be answered with AX Rifle or with AX Chassis, it really doesn't matter to me. I don't need the weight of the AX action specifically, I know those are fixed in.

I'm mostly interested in the component weights. AX handguard, AX rail, etc. It's for research, I'm not looking to reinvent the wheel, but I do have some ideas for another product that could make for a slightly rounder wheel.
 
Most of my questions can be answered with AX Rifle or with AX Chassis, it really doesn't matter to me. I don't need the weight of the AX action specifically, I know those are fixed in.

I'm mostly interested in the component weights. AX handguard, AX rail, etc. It's for research, I'm not looking to reinvent the wheel, but I do have some ideas for another product that could make for a slightly rounder wheel.

If you're looking to change things you need exact weights, not good enough. The AX chassis and the rifle are going to be different weights. The AX rifle has different inletting for the flat bottom action and the AX chassis the rail is machined a good bit different to accommodate extended picatinny rails often found on the R700's. You should focus on one product if you're looking for a base sample. My suggestion would be to buy an AX AICS, that's what most people/companies do that are looking for this sort of information.
 
If you're looking to change things you need exact weights, not good enough. The AX chassis and the rifle are going to be different weights. The AX rifle has different inletting for the flat bottom action and the AX chassis the rail is machined a good bit different to accommodate extended picatinny rails often found on the R700's. You should focus on one product if you're looking for a base sample. My suggestion would be to buy an AX AICS, that's what most people/companies do that are looking for this sort of information.

No, really, I only need rough weights of the components. Trust me, I know what I'm doing ;)

I need the rail weight, so no, it doesn't matter if it's from an AX rifle or AX chassis old, new, or 2014-new-new. Same with the handguard, doesn't matter what it's from.

I'd be more than happy to get a stripped chassis weight, but considering how hard it is just to get the weight of the rail alone I'm not holding me breathe.

I do have a 2014 on order, but it'll be months until it actually gets here.
 
When you say rail, you mean just the picatinny rail and not the entire handguard?

13" picatinny keymod rail: 4.2oz
16" picatinny keymod rail: 5.0oz
Short little picatinny section: 1.0oz
Short little picatinny section with flush cup: 1.1oz
Short little section with harris bipod adapter: 1.1oz
AI handstop: 2.5oz
AI Target Butt: 8.4oz
AI Short Butt-Spacer: .8oz
AX .308 mag: 5.6oz
AX .338 mag: 8.4oz
 

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5 more weights (see above post)
 

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I'm not pulling my handguard off, cause thats a huge pain in the ass, but barrels are easy and I've been wanting to do this for my own purposes anyhow.

Factory 24" AINA .308 Barrel: 4lb 7.9oz
AI AX .308 Chassis with bolt and a small picatinny with flush cup section but no top rail and no magazine: 8lb 3.3oz
AI AX .338 Chassis with bolt and a small picatinny with flush cup section but no top rail and no magazine: 8lb 14.2oz
AX .308 magazine loaded: 14.2oz
AX .338 magazine loaded with 338 norma rounds: 1lb 8.6oz
 

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Brasscow, thank you very much, that's all excellent and the photos with each is a lot of work so know that I appreciate it!

Yea the rail/tube I'm sure is a pain to pull, that is the main component weight I'm most curious about. Maybe someone with one in pieces will see this thread and help a brother out!

Out of curiousity, do you think it would be possible to weight the plastic hand guard / carry grip? That should be only two screws and doesn't align off anything to the best of my knowledge. It also shouldn't weight much, but I am curious.

That was a ton of work and it's all helpful. Thanks again!
 
I'm away from my rifles for another week or two most likely but i think i can remember to do that when i get back. I have pulled it off before and in the mean time i think you can safely estimate it at about 3oz.

I would also think you could estimate the handguard weight at twice that of a similar length noveske nsr plus about 5oz for the thick bit at the back/bottom that screws into the chassis. I'd guess about 20oz
 
I'm away from my rifles for another week or two most likely but i think i can remember to do that when i get back. I have pulled it off before and in the mean time i think you can safely estimate it at about 3oz.

I would also think you could estimate the handguard weight at twice that of a similar length noveske nsr plus about 5oz for the thick bit at the back/bottom that screws into the chassis. I'd guess about 20oz

Awesome.

Yea, I had actually figured 20-26oz.

If anyone could maybe use some calipers and get me the OD and ID or wall thickness that would go a long way! I could draw it up and get it very close from there.
 
Yea the rail/tube I'm sure is a pain to pull, that is the main component weight I'm most curious about. Maybe someone with one in pieces will see this thread and help a brother out!

The 13" AX rail in front of me is 13oz on the nose. The ID is 1.410"; the outside dimension is 1.648" across the flats (the outside profile is octagonal, of course). If you're trying to estimate the weight based upon the dimensions, keep in mind that actual rail length is about 1" longer than the nominal length, and there is a 4" section of the extrusion that is much heavier profile in order to provide the abutment for mounting to the chassis.
 
The 13" AX rail in front of me is 13oz on the nose. The ID is 1.410"; the outside dimension is 1.648" across the flats (the outside profile is octagonal, of course). If you're trying to estimate the weight based upon the dimensions, keep in mind that actual rail length is about 1" longer than the nominal length, and there is a 4" section of the extrusion that is much heavier profile in order to provide the abutment for mounting to the chassis.

Well... Shit. I'm not sure it's worth it at 13oz factory.

There are three "problems" with AI's factory rail:

1. It's not Keymod. It's stupid AI "KeySlot" which ironically, they are now trying to patent with exclusivity to KeyMod. But with the common use and common application of KeyMod, they're shit out of luck imo. It would be nearly impossible for AI to fight all the KeyMod mfgs. It seems in PSR and newer they have started putting a chamber (or at least a different chamfer) inside each slot like KeyMod uses. Even more proof they are being foolish trying to patent, as this is a feature KeyMod had already. For some of us with other Keymod guns, it makes little sense to carry two very similar but incompatible mounting systems. It would be great if AI got their head straight and got on board. Even if you aren't concerned about other systems or easy swapping, you're locked into AI's prices for attachments. I don't like vendor lock-in.

2. The scope is mounted a little high. Not that it matters on these guns, it's adjustable comb. But, if one wanted to swap optics over to another gun, the optic from the AX platform wouldn't really fit on many others unless they too had full rails or over barrel mounts. It seems most of the people with AX chassis are not on a budget however, so this likely isn't all that big of a deal.

3. I'm curious how the 13" is 13oz because I guessed it to be around 18+. I'll draw it up again today with E Bryants numbers (thanks very much byw!). Still, the AX chassis really does seem like it should be lighter than 5.5-5.75lbs! I'm curious where it's so heavy. Anyway, I WAS looking at doing a carbon fiber forearm.

4. The attachment on the pre-2014 rail is flat out stupid. Clearly, because they fixed this for 2014+

5. There isn't much of a shooting of a barricade surface with the AX.

I had been working... well, that's not correct, I had been toying with a composite forearm for another company's product. I came up with a nice design after some poor attempts and becoming familiar with the product. But the more I worked on it, the more I realized some aspects just aren't "quite there yet" on the base part. I look forward to seeing what that company does in another generation or two, but right now the 2014 AX chassis is more ideal for me. I'll come back to that other company, but in the meantime, it also made no sense to give them my carbon design surfacing, considering the lack of information I could get out of them in return.

On the AX however.... I drafted up a contoured carbon tube (overall round, but at no cross section it was a circle) that attached at the same points, held pic or keymod sections, avoided carbon to metal contact directly into the fibers, and even figured a cheap way to mfg it in one layup of pre-preg using ren plank for molds and not aluminum to prototype. But....... At 13oz, and equal (probably superior) strength carbon/aramid part would be figure no less than 6oz when the attachment sections were put in, doesn't make sense for my time investment.

I'll probably go with a Plan B, which would still save some weight and be pretty trick. I get all the solutions I wanted except for the contoured look and it'll likely cost me less. If the AX overall-weight becomes an issue for the role this gun is filling. I'll probably see what is on the market next year. Other mfgs have some nice options that are close and should only get closer in the future. APO, KRG, etc

... I'm still going to draft up a model to see that weight.
 
Yep... You're likely right. 13oz isn't that far fetched. I wonder what I did the first time I calced it out? I couldn't have used density higher than 7075 Al, oh well! I think I must have figured the diameter to be larger and I have no idea what that mounting block looks like inside.

Also shouldn't surprise anyone that AI's rail is about 50% thicker than almost every AR mfg's rails.



Mocked up in case someone is interested the scope mounting differences (relative, not absolute) if you had a 50mm outer diameter objective (I know 50s are actually larger than 50mm) and wanted that .100" from the top of the next surface (barrel, handguard, 1913 rail). Used a 1.20" barrel as well, so the lowest relative measurement would be less on most people's barrels.

It does show the large difference in an AI gun's full rail vs a traditional scope directly over barrel.

http://s27.postimg.org/9bv22tg9v/AI_Rail_Height.png
 
I figured it was twice as thick as noveske. I own both and thats why I figured it weighed twice the noveske and then some. Also worth noting that my AI rail sections bolt onto the noveske rails fine, though I've never tried the reverse.

As for the increased scope mounting height, thats why I don't run a rail on top. I don't own forward mounted night vision gear so have no use for that forward top rail. I use seekins lows (see photo)

As for weight of plastic handguard deal… see photos.
 

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I figured it was twice as thick as noveske. I own both and thats why I figured it weighed twice the noveske and then some. Also worth noting that my AI rail sections bolt onto the noveske rails fine, though I've never tried the reverse.

As for the increased scope mounting height, thats why I don't run a rail on top. I don't own forward mounted night vision gear so have no use for that forward top rail. I use seekins lows (see photo)

As for weight of plastic handguard deal… see photos.

Thanks a ton for the photos (again!)

Any chance you might be able to try a KeyMod accessory into KeySlot? I noticed looking at KeyMod that the spacing is directly inline with 1913 pic, so I wonder if AI had the same thoughts?

Also interesting on your scope is that even if there was no rail at all, the receiver's rail could stop you from lowering the scope even before barrel contact. I hadn't thought about that. There is no issue with scope height, I'd just like to try and keep my rifles at about similar ring heights for commonality reasons. Narcotic.

That plastic carry handle part is way lighter than I expected but I only assumed heavy because "AI". Thanks for pulling that off to weigh!

I'll toy around with the numbers again and see if carbon or magnesium makes sense.